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Kazaa Loses P2P Crown To Edonkey
I(rispee_I(reme writes "According to the network population stats at slyck, FastTrack (home of Kazaa) is no longer the most populous filesharing network. Top honors now belong to edonkey, a network of German origins. (Most edonkey users connect with emule, a gpl client for Windows)."
see what happens when you let anyone grab the code
you get a true distributed P2P system that is free and highly expandable
grab the source and make a great app even better and more secure
Amongst the kids (which I'm no longer) Soulseek is the P2P of choice. Partially because it's so easy to find a friend's files.
eDonkey has its place. I use it to download MST3K episodes from www.dapcentral.org. It's slow, but I've never had a single corrupt download. When you're talking 4.7 GB (in some cases) it's pretty damn good.
Current stats from the slyck page:
FastTrack 2,493,637 eDonkey2K 2,402,593
Eh?More like... nerdular nerdence!
you'd realize that FastTrack had 2,493,637 and eDonkey2K had 2,402,593 on September 21, 2004 19:00.
Furthermore, if you bothered to read the article they posted about FastTrack closing in on eDonkey2K, you would have also noticed the following:
Although the statistics show the eDonkey2000 network slightly ahead of FastTrack at the time of this writing, it is much too early to declare a new P2P King. Too many variables currently exist in the way that a client collect their population numbers to difinatively stay that one network is ahead of another. However, what is certain is that the eDonkey2000 network is closing in on FastTrack, and if Sharman does not fall back on their "invaluable experience" soon, a new P2P King will be crowned.
Parent is dead right.
... but I suppose that was bound to happen when you move from exchanging 4mb mp3 files, to 4GB vob archives :)
eD2k rewards people for uploading, but seems to reward people for sitting in queue better.
The way to effectively get files with ed2k is with a 10GB queue of content which you just forget about for a week or two. -- It's a bit of a culture change after kazaa and napster where you immediatly start downloading files.
btw, i run eMule 24/7 serving freeware files. no I actually do, i don't share copyright stuff, got caught doing that already (watch out Movie fans! don't share those files for months on end). i'm always uploading freeware aswell so i know it's a popular distribution mechanism for that.
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Please enlighten me: Why do most users use eMule? I heard that it a) has compatibility problems on the ED2K network, and b) is based on an old version of Edonkey (v60?) and does not support Horde. Is this true? I've been staying away from it as I don't want to cause problems on the wonderful network. Plus, Overnet works great.
It sucks that Overnet/eDonkey is becoming popular. That means it will be the next to be shut down by the likes of RIAA/MPAA. :( Overnet rocks.
Edonkey and the network have U.S. origins - http://www.edonkey2000.com/contact.html
Although Emule, which I think is now the most popular client, has German origins.
Honestly, nothing compares to an intelligent blend of binary newsgroups, IRC, and torrents (when I am getting desperate only!) And I officially predict this post as flamebait
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There's some non-copyright stuff out there.
I don't use any of the P2P filesharing apps, the combination of ftp and knowing the right people worked before, it works still, and it'll work 10 years from now after congress has laid down 90000 laws specific to "P2P networks".
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I second (third, fourth, fifth?) that comment. I would generally use KaZaa Lite for music and Overnet for warez. Now that K-Lite is dead, I use iTunes for music and Overnet for warez.
Please don't read this as an endorsement the RIAA. 98% of the music I download I wouldn't buy anyway. The music I WOULD buy I usually DO end up buying. Commercial software, on the other hand, is overpriced. The end of software piracy = the end of Microsoft as far as I'm concerned. In short, I buy music I like, but I think pirating (overpriced) software is okay. BONG!
I have always been of the opinion that BitTorrent and the ed2k network have been designed around very large files such as isos, dvds, and other things larger than bitty mp3 music files. These large files are where the applications really accel. I have often said it easier to get a whole album of songs than just one specific one on such networks. One thing that people often complain about is dialup speed transfers. I have read that this is because of a "low-id" given to most clients who don't have two ports forwarded to the machine. I believe eMule's suggested ports are 4662 and 4672. With a bit of testing I've deteremined that both BT and eMule work better with their respective ports forwarded. I've also always wondered what the Democrats thing of eDonkey.
I don't know why anyone would bother with eMule anymore. The Horde is probably the best implementation of an anti leech system I've ever seen, and more importantly, it works well. You partner with other clients, and you both exchange parts you both need. Takes care of the leeching problem nicely, and gets you your download in a timely manner. Highly recommended.
That would be because it's not a leaching network. You get back what you put in, if you want to leech your not welcome here.
The clients have been designed for fairness and _sharing_ rather than grab as much as you can and then go offline.
DC on the other hand is this mentality, you can keep your leaching corrupt network.
GPLv2: I want my rights, I want my phone call! DRM: What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak?
Limewire is a gnutella proctol client.
People dont use limewire as a client specifically because of a number of adware/spyware related issues.
ALthough why people dont use gnutella more I dont know.
Other factors of Fasttrack success at the beginning was that edonkey was really hard to use and that emule is a recent addition to it. They included most of the features that were requested by users (open source...) and especially all the usefull feature that required plug ins or automaters for edonkey.
Another factor was the Morpheus OS that used to be on fasttrack and had a lot of users as it was easier, more powerfull and no spyware.
Now, in the recent years, Fasttrack limited its network to Kazaa only, which it bundled with lots of spyware. The network got attacked by **AA drones and seeded with fake files. Emule made edonkey a lot easier to use. Edonkey programmers took note and updated their app.
So, basically, fastrack goes down in quility and edonkey goes up. The numbers are just inertia...
Edonkey was a very future looking P2P networrk at its conception. It's goal has always been to exchange BIG files (ISO sized), with hashes, verification and possibility to only dump the corrupted part. Now that those file sizes are usual, such a network gets useful...
I'm suprised no one has mentioned it already, but mldonkey is a nice cross-platform edonkey client. It runs pretty nicely on Linux (and somewhat decently on Windows) and comes with a web and telnet interface (it also supports third-party GUI clients).
As an added benefit, mldonkey supports FastTrack, Gnutella 1 and 2, DirectConnect, SoulSeek, Bittorrent, OpenNap...you get the idea. I've been using it for a couple of years, and it's replaced every P2P client for me.
Oh, edonkey is a great network to find PDFs of textbooks - a godsend for students.
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The speeds are asymmetric because the ISPs have found that people just don't care. They advertise downstream all over the place, but the common person (i.e., one who does not get the service with the specific intent to share) wouldn't even notice the upload cap - for things like browsing, it's just not a problem.
This means, of course, that they get to charge much more for high uploads... They win either way. Ever notice how the DSL/Cable TOS always specify that you're not supposed to be hosting a server?
I heard that is because Shareaza is considered a leecher's client by Azereus, and thus Azureus will not share with Shareaza users.
The little I saw, it actually looked pretty decent, only problem was lack of "material".
The real problem with many 3rd gen P2P networks is that they do not scale. Freenet appears to work, but its hill-climbing algorithm breaks down because of the inherent inaccuracy in the routing. To a certain point, it works like a charm - the nodes form a single "hill". Past a certain point though, it just breaks down. You end up with trying to find the right sand dune in Sahara to climb. Yes, I've read the papers. No, it doesn't work in real life.
That combined with application-level tools that simply can not scale is making it impossible. Freenet message boards operate under a simple increment test "Is there a message 13?" "Yes" "Is there a message 14?" "No, then let's insert message 14" and obviously, if there was 100s or 1000s of users in a group, there'd be mass collisions.
Mostly any 3rd gen P2P network works if it is small enough. At the lowest level, a dumbfire system (all talk to all works). Somewhere past that, you have basic routing. Somewhere past that, the hill-climbing algorithm works. But for a network to scale to millions of people, I haven't seen any viable solution.
And that is just for content-routing. If you intend to make it anonymous as well, there are a host of challenges beyond not sending content directly, including but not limited to probing, posioning, traffic analysis, fake referrals and whatnot. These are all non-trivial problems, in particular since you have NO feedback as to whether your contact delivered his message intact or at all and you can not trust anything it claims came from another node (which may all be forged nodes created by your contact).
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