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Gates, Jobs, Torvalds: Who is Most Important?

Ian Wilson writes "silicon.com has launched its latest Agenda Setters poll which puts together a list of the top 50 people influencing tech. I remember Slashdot carried last year's poll - which was won by Steve Jobs. The full top 50 includes many of the usual suspects. Last year's winner Steve Jobs has slipped down to second place, but perhaps most interesting is the fact that the panel of judges couldn't separate Linus Torvalds and Bill Gates - they are tied in seventh place."

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  1. Scary scary bloke by Space+cowboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    [This is possibly more 'yro' than 'it' but the consequences are truly scary for the UK if this man gets his way]

    Look at number 5 - David Blunkett. This man makes all other (previously thought to be totalitarian) Home Secretaries in the UK look positively liberal. To recount:

    • Wants to introduce compulsory biometric ID cards, despite massive opposition
    • Wants to DNA-sample all Europeans and be able to cross-reference them in a db.
    • Has enacted legislation forcing all telecoms companies (phone,'net,...) to monitor their users. The aptly named 'RIP justice' bill.
    • Wants to monitor ex-criminals with satellite technology. Note the important bit is these people are potential re-offenders!
    • Wants to greatly increase the number of cameras around the UK
    • God knows what else...


    Sure he's an agenda-setter, but Vlad the impaler had an agenda. It didn't make it a good agenda, unless you happened to be Vlad himself...

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    1. Re:Scary scary bloke by gowen · · Score: 4, Informative
      The aptly named 'RIP justice' bill.
      Except thats not what its named. Its called the 'Regulation of Investigatory Powers (RIP) Act' (previously the RIP Bill). No mention of the word "Justice". Yes, its a horrible piece of legislation, but thats no excuse to pretend its name is different from what it is.
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    2. Re:Scary scary bloke by Coryoth · · Score: 4, Informative

      But look how much crime went down under Vlad!

      Well yes. He had a novel solution to poverty as well. He invited all the poor and homeless to a huge feast. Once they were gathered inside and were enjoying their meal, he had all the doors sealed, and burned the place to the ground. After that there were no poor in Wallachia - well, no one would admit to it anyway.

      Jedidiah.

    3. Re:Scary scary bloke by Coryoth · · Score: 4, Informative

      If I were in power, my regime would have impaling. Our current methods of gently killing people don't seem to be much of a deterrent, but I bet all those violent criminals and spammers would tow the line if they knew they were risking impaling.

      Let's just be clear on what impaling meant - it wasn't just getting a sharp stick rammed through you. It was getting a (usually blunt) pole inserted in your rectum, and then having the pole stood vertically supporting you so your weight inexorably pushed the pole up through you. Death took days of excruciating agony. Crucifixion is a lark by comparison.

      Jedidiah.

    4. Re:Scary scary bloke by k98sven · · Score: 4, Informative

      But what about non-blood relationships?*

      Although I don't think a DNA scan would be necessary.. AFAIK the Basarab family (that of Vlad III) is not extinct.

      Although the Basarab name alone is not distinctive. Moldova, which was once part of Wallachia, was named 'Basarabia' (after the family) when it was a Russian province, so there are people originating from there named 'Basarab' too.

      (*An ancestor of mine (Mátyus Maróti, 1446-1476) was a brother-in-law to Vlad III.)

  2. The site is slow. Here's the list. by oncee · · Score: 5, Informative
    • 1. Ashley Highfield
    • 2. Steve Jobs
    • 3. Niklas Zennstrom
    • 4. Tom Ridge
    • 5. David Blunkett
    • 6. Richard Granger
    • 7. Linus Torvalds
    • 7. Bill Gates
    • 9. Eric Schmidt
    • 10. Marc Benioff
    • 11. Sir Peter Gershon
    • 12. Marten Mickos
    • 13. Meg Whitman
    • 14. Sir David Tweedie
    • 15. Jonathan Ive
    • 16. James Murdoch
    • 17. Arun Sarin
    • 18. Rupert Murdoch
    • 19. Sven Jaschan
    • 20. S Ramadorai
    • 21. Karen Price
    • 22. Lawrence Lessig
    • 23. Ian Foster
    • 24. Jonathan Schwartz
    • 25. Joe McGeehan
    • 26. Vivek Paul
    • 27. Sam Palmisano
    • 28. Eric Abensur
    • 29. Martin Varsavsky
    • 30. Donald E Knuth
    • 31. Len Hynds
    • 32. David Levin
    • 33. John Connors
    • 34. Michael Dell
    • 35. Azim Premji
    • 36. Ben Verwaayen
    • 37. Daniel Egger
    • 38. Van Honeycutt
    • 39. Jon Rubinstein
    • 40. Mark J Cox
    • 41. Hu Jintao
    • 42. Dan'l Lewin
    • 43. Paul Sarbanes and Michael Oxley
    • 44. Richard Stallman
    • 45. Ratan Tata
    • 46. Michael Powell
    • 47. David Sainsbury
    • 48. Andy Duncan
    • 49. Bernard C Soriano
    • 50. Simon Davies
  3. Re:Exception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    Torvalds = Wrote a world class operating system from scratch ..meh..

    From scratch? You wish. Even Linus doesn't claim that.

  4. your scary bloke seems familiar! by museumpeace · · Score: 2, Informative

    Except that we yanks have lent more DNA to Europeans than I think we have any interest in collecting, all of the Big Brother technologies you list are in place or on the drawing boards in the US thanks to our current national administration's accidental discovery that fear is a much easier way to consolidate power than reason ever was. And I shouldn't forget, as mentioned in /., we don't just oggle crooks with our satellites.

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  5. Re:downtime?! by Lazy+T · · Score: 3, Informative

    They have only blocked people comming from slashdot. Copy paste link and it should work.

  6. Re:influence on tech by polyp2000 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'd have to disagree just a little bit ;)
    Actually Bill Gates or Microsoft as a company are being influenced in big ways by people with much less money.

    Think about how Open Source and Linux has changed the way Microsoft conducts its business. Would things like XP starter edition or "shared source" or even "trusted computing" be on the agenda if it wasnt for FOSS/Linux ethics and its proliferation ? Howabout all those virus writers exploiting the flaws and bugs in the operating system. These people are influencing IT in very big ways by putting security , openness and many of the issues we read about here every day on slashdot.

    The only thing money allows you is purchasing power- the power to buy the little guy's technology or money to brute force competitors out of the marketplace.

    I am not saying Bill G and his company are not influential because they are- only his influence is mainly concerned with twisting the arms of hardware manufacturers and using money and FUD to propogate his own monopoly, rather than being progenitors of new technology.

    Nick ...

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  7. Re:Linus Is much more important than Bill Gates by Quino · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, Stallman inspired a movement to create an OS.

    Linus manages and has managed the development of a kernel.

    Big difference.

  8. Re:Ratan Tata is a he by EqualSlash · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ratan Tata is India's famous Industrialist. He runs the Tata group of companies.

    http://www.tatachemicals.net/0_about_us/ratan_ta ta .htm

  9. Re:Well.. by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 2, Informative


    MS has made computing cheap and ubiquitous

    False. That was the IBM-PC cloners. Even at MS's inflated profit margin, the cost of buying the OS is irrelevant compared to the cost of the hardware.

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  10. Re:Sounds like Moses's plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
    There's an Old Testament incident in which Moses lures all the believers in a certain religion or sect into a feast at a church, locks the doors, and burns the place down.
    Other than the fact that there were no churches back then, nor any temples that Moses would have frequented (never having made it to the promised land), nor a citation in your story, people would be well advised to take this posting with a grain of salt.
  11. Re:Sounds like Moses's plan by pnatural · · Score: 2, Informative

    Oops -- wrong link. Correct link is here.

  12. Re:In order of importance by DavidLeblond · · Score: 1, Informative

    Bull. Windows, Office, and Visual Studio were all products single-handedly coded by Bill Gates himself. Sure, other people have taken on the tasks of maintaining it, but the true vision of these products started under his programming leadership.

    Single-handedly? Uh, no. He didn't even single-handedly code BASIC if I remember correctly.

  13. It sounds worse than it is.. well sort of. I know. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I've worked with RIPA http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/20000023.htm

    * all users arn't monitored.

    * logs are kept as with most ISPs, however the length of time they are kept for varies.

    * if designated people request information, you have to provide it. - no court orders etc.

    * there are additional snooping features, which are quite ugly for all involved.

    it is getting worse though. with the DPA http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1998/19980029.htm you can legally hand over data to help prevent deaths, harm to people or crimes. You didn't have to hand it over if you didn't think it was justified, without a court order. This was good, but the protection it provided is being eroded.

  14. Re:That's not the biggest danger! by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2, Informative
    hence the need for little bits of plastic with some magic number on them.

    Ironically, I have in my wallet my government-supplied National Insurance numbercard, which does indeed confirm my NI number. Unfortunately, it was in my wallet when some probably tired and underpaid office worker on the far side of the country mistyped the number, too. Glad that helped, then.

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