I must've missed the memo about projects having a theme song. I'm both repulsed and intrigued by this story, both the content and the fact that it is deemed news-worthy enough to make it onto Slashdot.
Wow - where have you been. OpenBSD has been shipping a "release song" for as long as I can remember... Many of them are funny, most of them cover rather serious topics - none of them are works of art that should ever be played in public.
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I don't understand your surprise. Some software companies even have their own music videos.
On a more serious note, I somewhat repulsed that a person would find a project release song repuslive. The repulsion is what I'd expect from the PHB sort. To me, having a song illustrates wonderfully the difference between Free Software/OSS communities and the corporate world. In the one world, creativity is stifled because creativity is often inefficient and non-productive, while in the other, creativity (the human spirit) is the entire purpose.
Even worse, when the corporate world does take on theme songs, they are geared towards mind-control. Take, for example, this old IBM company song:
IBM, Happy men, smiling all the way.
Oh what fun it is to sell our products night and day. IBM, Watson men, partners of T.J. In his service to mankind-that's why we are so gay.
(yes, sung to "Jingle Bells")
There are, of course, counter-examples on both sides, but the tendencies are clear.
Never heard of this either. Mind you, Windows has had its own release songs - that's the song that first plays when you launch Media player. Kinda like Winamp's launch song that they've been using for the last couple of years, though I'd call it more like rap than anything else.
"Well, now, Winamp's here and you gotta *stop* It really kicks the llama's.... HMMMMMM, ass?" (Beastie Boys on the brain tonight)
Gotcha. I understand more now what the story and article means about the theme song to the release.
I still don't think my comment should be sitting at -1 Flaimbait (I'll probably get modded to flaimbait for saying it in a reply under my original post, too), but my original comment didn't come out with the tone and inflection it was supposted to of. I have karma to burn though, I guess.:-P
A few links in general, a few links from the story, and then a trio of links (whitepapers, best delas, more stories) for each of the story icons - in this case it's Security, Laugh It's Funny, Operating Systems, and BSD.
Its a trick, its COUNTRY!
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BrookHarty
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Ummm, Country? Bad enough, Classic Country?!
I'm sure some cowboy will mod me down.;)
Re:Its a trick, its COUNTRY!
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ak3ldama
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haha, yea, but it's actually a pretty damn good tune, with good lyrics, in the true style of classic country... very much unlike country (current country that is, which is more like pop)
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Re:Its a trick, its COUNTRY!
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T-Ranger
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My name is su(1). How do you do?
Now you're gonna die.
Re:Its a trick, its COUNTRY!
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nacturation
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For a second there, I thought OpenBSD released a new product called CanyoneroBSD!
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Re:Its a trick, its COUNTRY!
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Anonymous Coward
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I'm sure some cowboy will mod me down.
In that case, you're screwed. Cowboy Neal has unlimited moderation:)
Re:Its a trick, its COUNTRY!
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drinkypoo
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Country is trying to branch out and find a way to appeal to younger listeners before all the current fans die in motorcycle or four-wheelin' accidents. Just the other day I heard a woman singing country rap on the radio, it was hip-hop crossed with country, using country instruments with a hip-hop rhythm. That must give people absolute fits. Of course, the chick couldn't rap, and it sounded awful, which I'm sure will vindicate good-ol'-boys across the nation.
My girlfriend adores country music so every time I get in the car with her I have to change the station. I can handle old school country and cowboy songs, but I cannot stomach country which sounds like rap, pop, or rock. The vast majority of country sung by women now sounds like pop - the vast majority of country sung by men now sounds like rock. At least, that's what the payola dictates.
-- "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Re:Its a trick, its COUNTRY!
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rudolfel
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It's called "Only one remote hole in the default install, in more than 8 years!"
LOL
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Segmentation fault. Core dumped
Re:Its a trick, its COUNTRY!
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808140
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You know, I remember reading that the lyrics to that song were written by none other than Shel Silverstein. Don't have a reference though.
Still, it's one of my favorite Johnny Cash songs. New country is for bitches. Old country is where it's at.
Hrm... that would actually make sense. They should release the song in sheet music. BSD license of course;) Then I could go ahead and give it a hip-hop beat so that it plays nice with my riced up Gentoo box.
Actually, sheet music format seems more appropriate to Gentoo than OpenBSD.
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I like quiet protoplasm.
Re:MP3 and OGG?
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Anonymous Coward
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sheet music that includes the band and all you have to do is flail your arms around and the band plays
Man that's piss funny.
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QuantumG
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Gotta love the way the Theo fish just goes nuts at the end and starts yelling at everyone. Someone needs to make a blowfish cartoon where other fish get into morally dubious situations and the Theo fish just comes in and tells em they're all idiots and if they don't contribute to his project then this'll be the last release.
-- How we know is more important than what we know.
I can't tell if you think it's a bad thing, but it sounds pretty accurate.
-- I rarely criticize things I don't care about.
Buh?
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Anonymous Coward
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Having just read the 3.5 "song" (a straight rip of the eric the half a bee sketch), I've noticed (all over the frigging web, no less) that everyone thinks the line is "Why should I be tied with the epithet loony", when in fact it is "tarred". Is this some kind of blind spot in US understanding of British accents? What the hell?
We now return you to your regularly scheduled boring-ass story.
If every OS had a song...
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numbware
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... the Windows song would just be the windows error "ding" sound over and over again for about 10 minutes.
ps; the BSD song is something different. not good. not bad. just different
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Re:If every OS had a song...
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Anonymous Coward
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Lying sack of crap. First, the Windows song would be the ding over and over with a secret background mind control track. Come on, conspiracy 101. Second, the OpenBSD is our lord and master. Praise to OpenBSD!
That was a damn good job!
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Anonymous Coward
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I rather enjoyed that song. I even played it for my wife. Of course, she didn't see the humor in it but I sure did.;)
Diamond Dawes got his hide tanned! Serves ya'll right fer changin' that dang license. Yeee Haww!
Re:Living in the past...
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Homology
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The ipf code with the new license did not enter the OpenBSD cvs repository, so your link to the cvs repository shows the old license. Darren Reed later changed his license again, but then it was too late : OpenBSD had it's new packet filter pf (as op OpenbSD 3.0).
The author of ipf (Darren Reed) is regularly on the openbsd mailing lists, and quite often it's just gripe. This whole issue has become quite personal, jugding from the posts.
Inordinate? SMP is the single feature that I've heard people wishing for most in obsd. Given that there is an upper limit on the speed of a uniprocessor system, I'd say it's an absolute necessity. If you want a single machine to handle high-speed routing and VPN connections without using VPN accelerator cards, you will need SMP.
-- "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Re:Living in the past...
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Dahan
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But the "new" license didn't change any of the terms. The only change in the "new" license was the addition of this sentence: "Yes, this means that derivitive [sic] or modified works are not permitted without the author's prior consent."
I linked to the original license they imported (note that it's revision 1.1), which they had for 5 years before deciding it was unacceptable. It stated that "Redistribution and use in source and binary forms are permitted provided that this notice is preserved and due credit is given to the original author and the contributors." I see nothing in that that implies that derivative or modified works were permitted. As Darren tried to tell them (apparently without success), the change was a clarification, not a change to the actual terms.
Re:Living in the past...
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QuantumG
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That's cause Darren Reed is an idiot and Theo don't tolerate idiots.
-- How we know is more important than what we know.
On the lyrics page, the OpenBSD crew dedicates the song to developers who went from free to not-so-free, then bids them farewell. One such project is Apache.
But OpenBSD.org uses it to serve pages.
-- $ whatis themeaningoflife
themeaningoflife: not found
Re:Apache
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Anonymous Coward
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Yeah, they use the version BEFORE the code was transferred over to the new licence. Apache is still included with OpenBSD, but not any code since the licence "update".
Re:Apache
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Anonymous Coward
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No. You are incorrect - OpenBSD ships a patched version of the last Apache with the sane license. A moment's checking with CVSweb or Google would have told you this.
Did you even read the post that I was responding to? He said the license change was only in apache2. I said he was wrong, that it's in apache1 as well.
Although I do appreciate how you told me I was incorrect and then proceeded to say something (supposedly correcting me) that I never disputed in my original post.
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Re:Apache
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Anonymous Coward
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runs on Solaris because its hosted at a SunSITE at the University of Alberta, Canada
Re:Living in the past...
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Anonymous Coward
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And this clarification was the issue. The OpenBSD project read the original license the way I am sure most people would; BSD-like with changes and redistribution permitted, preserve copyrights, don't hold the author accountable, etc.
This clarification by Reed was absolutely intolerable because it prohibited bug fixes without his approval.
If this clarification had been in there from the beginning, I doubt the OpenBSD project would ever have used IPF.
Darren Reed and the OpenBSD song
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Nonesuch
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The author of ipf (Darren Reed) is regularly on the openbsd mailing lists, and quite often it's just gripe. This whole issue has become quite personal, jugding from the posts.
Yeah, what's up with that? His contributions vary from sardonic to the merely sarcastic. Darren is clearly a bright guy, his criticism could be constructive if he wanted.
Back on topic, this post by Darren is particularly amusing:
To: deraadt@cvs.openbsd.org (Theo de Raadt) Subject: Re: OpenBSD 3.6 From: Darren Reed <avalon@caligula.anu.edu.au> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:14:38 +1000 (Australia/ACT) Cc: misc@openbsd.org
Hey wow, I just got told that I get a mention in the lyrics:) Thanks:)
That's almost enough to tempt me into buying my 1st ever CD:)
Not everyone gets immortalised (for better or worse) into song so thanks:)
Re:Living in the past...
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tedu
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exactly. the license was thought to be acceptable. then darren said, "no, actually you can't modify ipf." so, oh shit, rip it out. it doesn't matter whether it changed or not. unacceptable is unacceptable. you don't go "oh, we were breaking the license yesterday, so who cares? we'll just continue on the same way." you fix the problem.
it doesn't matter whether it changed or not. unacceptable is unacceptable.
That's fine that they removed ipf. pf is a nice replacement and all. My point is that OpenBSD claims that the license did change, when it clearly did not.
The OpenBSD project read the original license the way I am sure most people would
In that case they, and "most people", need to practice their reading comprehension. The text of the license, which I am posting here for the third time, since nobody seems to actually want to read it, states: "Redistribution and use in source and binary forms are permitted provided that this notice is preserved and due credit is given to the original author and the contributors."
Please show me where it says that changes are permitted. Thanks.
if you want to get particular, the whole ruckus started because it did change. darren released a beta of ipf with a larger "may not modify" clause. then clarified that the meaning didn't change (though the wording certainly did). i don't think a release ever came out with the new wording, only a few betas.
"Please show me where it says that changes are permitted.".
No need - Darren clarified that changes WERENT permitted - after having his code accepted AND MODIFIED multiple times by multiple BSD developers.
It was only when he disagreed with a change the OpenBSD team made that he "clarified" his license.
Context matters - while the license did not specify that changes WERE or WERE NOT allowed, HE DID ALLOW THEM TO OCCUR - and only when he didnt get his way, did he "clarify" his position.
Not that it matters one whit - the OpenBSD team took the "clarification" at face value, removed the non-BSD licensed code (based on his clarification), and wrote their own.
The fact that their own is vastly superior, more secure, and better written, well, thats just icing on the cake.
No, you are confused (as apparently many people are/were). The beta had a special license that said, "Redistribution is not permitted." The license on the release version never allowed modification, but did allow redistribution. If the license doesn't say that you may modify the code, you may not modify the code. I don't know why people think that if it doesn't say that modifications are allowed, that means they are allowed.
Re:Living in the past...
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Hognoxious
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Please show me where it says that changes are permitted. Thanks.
They explicitly permit redistribition in source form, and the main purpose of having the source is to be able to change it. Secondly, why use the phrase "original author". If it cannot be modified, the "original" is redundant as there is one author, period. Ergo, it implies that there could be a subsequent or other secondary author.
So, please show where it says they aren't. Thanks.
-- Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Re:Living in the past...
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Hognoxious
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No need - Darren clarified that changes WERENT permitted - after having his code accepted AND MODIFIED multiple times by multiple BSD developers.
The words "stable", "door" and "bolted" spring to mind.
-- Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
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I must've missed the memo about projects having a theme song. I'm both repulsed and intrigued by this story, both the content and the fact that it is deemed news-worthy enough to make it onto Slashdot.
We've all noticed the "extra" links below the stories by now. But take a closer look:
Online Books
Dev Tools DevChannel
Online Operating System Books
Online Security Books
Compare the best prices on: Software/Utilities
(well, fair enough)
The song
OpenBSD 3.6
mp3
ogg
(links from the story)
Security whitepapers
Best deals: Security
More Security stories
(blah, blah, blah)
It's funny. Laugh. whitepapers
Best deals: It's funny. Laugh.
More It's funny. Laugh. stories
(WTF?!!)
(And "It's funny. Laugh. whitepapers" don't even include anything funny.)
Operating Systems whitepapers
Best deals: Operating Systems
More Operating Systems stories
(Why, yes, I have an operating system here, for sale cheap...)
BSD whitepapers
Best deals: BSD
More BSD stories
(Best deals on BSD?!)
Someone needs to improve the logic on this.
TANSTAAFI: There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free iPod.
Ummm, Country? Bad enough, Classic Country?!
;)
I'm sure some cowboy will mod me down.
Huh. I kind of expected it to be provided in sheetmusic format.
"Derp de derp."
Gotta love the way the Theo fish just goes nuts at the end and starts yelling at everyone. Someone needs to make a blowfish cartoon where other fish get into morally dubious situations and the Theo fish just comes in and tells em they're all idiots and if they don't contribute to his project then this'll be the last release.
How we know is more important than what we know.
Having just read the 3.5 "song" (a straight rip of the eric the half a bee sketch), I've noticed (all over the frigging web, no less) that everyone thinks the line is "Why should I be tied with the epithet loony", when in fact it is "tarred". Is this some kind of blind spot in US understanding of British accents? What the hell?
We now return you to your regularly scheduled boring-ass story.
ps; the BSD song is something different. not good. not bad. just different
I'm going to go create my own technology news site, with blackjack and hookers. You know what? Forget the news site.
I rather enjoyed that song. I even played it for my wife. Of course, she didn't see the humor in it but I sure did. ;)
Diamond Dawes got his hide tanned! Serves ya'll right fer changin' that dang license. Yeee Haww!
The ipf code with the new license did not enter the OpenBSD cvs repository, so your link to the cvs repository shows the old license. Darren Reed later changed his license again, but then it was too late : OpenBSD had it's new packet filter pf (as op OpenbSD 3.0).
The author of ipf (Darren Reed) is regularly on the openbsd mailing lists, and quite often it's just gripe. This whole issue has become quite personal, jugding from the posts.
Anybody tested the smp stuff? Working good? Perfomance experience?
I linked to the original license they imported (note that it's revision 1.1), which they had for 5 years before deciding it was unacceptable. It stated that "Redistribution and use in source and binary forms are permitted provided that this notice is preserved and due credit is given to the original author and the contributors." I see nothing in that that implies that derivative or modified works were permitted. As Darren tried to tell them (apparently without success), the change was a clarification, not a change to the actual terms.
That's cause Darren Reed is an idiot and Theo don't tolerate idiots.
How we know is more important than what we know.
On the lyrics page, the OpenBSD crew dedicates the song to developers who went from free to not-so-free, then bids them farewell. One such project is Apache.
But OpenBSD.org uses it to serve pages.
$ whatis themeaningoflife
themeaningoflife: not found
And this clarification was the issue. The OpenBSD project read the original license the way I am sure most people would; BSD-like with changes and redistribution permitted, preserve copyrights, don't hold the author accountable, etc.
This clarification by Reed was absolutely intolerable because it prohibited bug fixes without his approval.
If this clarification had been in there from the beginning, I doubt the OpenBSD project would ever have used IPF.
Back on topic, this post by Darren is particularly amusing:
I do not deploy Linux. Ever.
exactly. the license was thought to be acceptable. then darren said, "no, actually you can't modify ipf." so, oh shit, rip it out. it doesn't matter whether it changed or not. unacceptable is unacceptable. you don't go "oh, we were breaking the license yesterday, so who cares? we'll just continue on the same way." you fix the problem.
That's fine that they removed ipf. pf is a nice replacement and all. My point is that OpenBSD claims that the license did change, when it clearly did not.
In that case they, and "most people", need to practice their reading comprehension. The text of the license, which I am posting here for the third time, since nobody seems to actually want to read it, states: "Redistribution and use in source and binary forms are permitted provided that this notice is preserved and due credit is given to the original author and the contributors."
Please show me where it says that changes are permitted. Thanks.
- SMP support on OpenBSD/i386 and OpenBSD/amd64 platforms.
- tcpdrop(8), a command to drop TCP connections.
- A generic IEEE 802.11 framework has been added.
- Improved support for USB 2.0 (ehci(4)) controllers.
- ... and more.
See http://www.openbsd.org/36.html-- Sig down
Given the last verse to that, I would have thought that the song would be better suited to apple.
*ducks* cmon fellas... it was a joke
In response to the overwhelming popularity of release theme songs, Microsoft recently announced the Longhorn release theme song.
if you want to get particular, the whole ruckus started because it did change. darren released a beta of ipf with a larger "may not modify" clause. then clarified that the meaning didn't change (though the wording certainly did). i don't think a release ever came out with the new wording, only a few betas.
"Please show me where it says that changes are permitted.".
No need - Darren clarified that changes WERENT permitted - after having his code accepted AND MODIFIED multiple times by multiple BSD developers.
It was only when he disagreed with a change the OpenBSD team made that he "clarified" his license.
Context matters - while the license did not specify that changes WERE or WERE NOT allowed, HE DID ALLOW THEM TO OCCUR - and only when he didnt get his way, did he "clarify" his position.
Not that it matters one whit - the OpenBSD team took the "clarification" at face value, removed the non-BSD licensed code (based on his clarification), and wrote their own.
The fact that their own is vastly superior, more secure, and better written, well, thats just icing on the cake.
GPL'd web-based tradewars themed space game
Email from Darren to the ipfilter list
So, please show where it says they aren't. Thanks.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."