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X Prize Launch At Mojave Spaceport [updated: success!]

knovis writes "The Ansari X Prize is being attempted at this moment: 9:30am EST. Bert Rutan and Paul Allen's Scaled Composites is preparing to make the first of 2 launches necessary. For the uninitiated, the X-Prize is a $10M prize available to the first entirely privately funded organization that creates a vehicle that travels to 100km above the earth's surface (low earth orbit) twice within 2 weeks. IIRC, SpaceShipOne is planning 3 flights for that 2 week period, for safety. Best of luck to Private Spaceflight. Did anyone else notice that Virgin Galactic has just been launched?" Project Zen writes "MSNBC has an article about how the seats won't be filled with people but mementos of the crew." Several readers sent links to CNN's story on the flight, and space.com's continuing coverage, including by webcam; NASA TV also has an eye on the launch. (Watch this space for updates.) Update: 09/29 15:57 GMT by T : Disconnect writes "As reported all over, SpaceShipOne successfully flew its first X-Prize flight attempt. As of now (11:45:40EST) the officials have not cleared the flight as successful, but it's looking good."

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  1. About an hour by Aerion · · Score: 3, Informative

    White Knight took off a little under 5 minutes ago, but it has to reach an altitude of 48,000 feet before detaching from SpaceShipOne. The NASA TV coverage says that will take about an hour.

    I would consider skipping class for this but I have a test.

  2. Just to nitpick by CodeWanker · · Score: 4, Informative

    100 km is not low earth orbit. It's just the lower boundary for being declared an astronaut.

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    1. Re:Just to nitpick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      not to nitpick, but orbit can be acheived at ANY altitude given sufficent horizontal velocity.

      is there a height at which the earth's rotational force is enough to orbit you in a westerly direction? Yes. but by the time you get there u need side thrusters anyway. Only Geostationary satellites are at that height.

    2. Re:Just to nitpick by nizo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Perhaps it is an arbitrary number picked by astronauts that is too high for other jet pilots to attain in normal aircraft? Or maybe it is too high for a normal parachute bail-out if your craft has problems? Ahh here we go:this link tells us why.

    3. Re:Just to nitpick by braindead · · Score: 1, Informative
      • I wonder why that is. Is it impossible for something to travel fast enough at 100km to attain a stable orbit, or is this an arbitary line, or is the atmosphere present so that it required a powered orbit (in essence, not an orbit, becaus eyou have ot counteract the atmosphere?)
      Well, with enough power you can orbit the planet from any altitude - including 100km. The term "low earth orbit" is used to describe (just as you guessed) the lowest altitude from which one can stay in orbit without using power - just by starting out at the right speed. The main factor is that there is not enough athmosphere at LEO to slow you down.

      The altitude for low earth orbit is 350km, far higher than SpaceShipOne is going. The 100km limit is just an nice, round, arbitrary number.

    4. Re:Just to nitpick by WhiplashII · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, if the Earth's mass was all in a point, that radius would be the Schwarzschild radius, which for the Earth is about 9mm. Of course, the Earth is bigger than this, so there is no such orbit.

      Good thing too, because if there was such an orbit, the Earth would be a black hole!

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    5. Re:Just to nitpick by Fweeky · · Score: 3, Informative
      http://msl.jpl.nasa.gov/glossary.html:
      "Although definitions of LEO vary from source to source, MSL defines LEO as orbits having apogees and perigees below 3000 km"
    6. Re:Just to nitpick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      One of the benefits listed in the parent's link are:

      Same-day package delivery

      Umm... are they serious? I can just see a UPS spacecraft dropping into my front lawn, leaving a slip saying they couldn't deliver since no one was home, and blasting off again.


      I certainly hope you were joking.

      A sub-orbital flight (not even getting up to Near Earth Orbit), could get you (or your packages, etc) from New York to Los Angeles in less then 30 minutes. There are obvious applications in Same-Day delivery.

  3. Live Webcast from X-Prize.org by Coz · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's a webcast link from the people actually sponsoring it (who presumably know more than the normal press:
    XPrize.Org

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    1. Re:Live Webcast from X-Prize.org by BenjyD · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you're running debian, add this line to your /etc/apt/source.list:

      deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main

      and install:

      totem-xine
      w32codecs

      The WMP stream is working fine here - sometimes you have to restart totem if you get a no picture first time.

  4. Weblog-style coverage by kieran · · Score: 5, Informative

    Given that the webcast is fscking useless, the best coverage I've dug up so far is that by "Spaceflight Now": http://spaceflightnow.com/ss1/status.html

  5. Re:Kiss that stream good bye by Aerion · · Score: 4, Informative

    but it appears it was delayed due to high wind.

    I'm not sure it was delayed, per se. The high winds were anticipated as typical conditions of the Mojave - usually when the sun comes up in the Mojave, the winds die down for a while. This makes it a popular place for test flights, because the conditions right after sunrise are pretty predictable.

  6. more nitpicks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Its Burt not Bert and Scaled Composites is Burt's company not Burt's and Paul Allen's. Paul Allen is just funding this particular project. Scaled has done many other interesting projects over the years.

  7. Re:Not much publicity...? by FuzzzyLogik · · Score: 2, Informative

    This one is important, but the first and third will be the most important. The first launch they did was the first of it's kind, hence news coverage galore. the third will likely be when they win the X-Prize, hence, it's a big deal. The second launch (the one they're doing today) is important but they'll likely do coverage of the third flight instead of this one.

  8. Re:Kiss that stream good bye by snake_dad · · Score: 3, Informative

    The take-off was about 40 minutes later than the expected take-off time posted on spaceflightnow.com.

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  9. This is not -- "low earth orbit" by pstav · · Score: 2, Informative

    Obvious, but needs pointing out...
    Up and Down - still impressive, what were the Virgin tickets $100,000?
    -paul

  10. Re:Any way to watch the stream under Linux? by AliasTheRoot · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Real stream on Nasa's website worked fine for me.

  11. Re:Eligable for the X-Prize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Nope, the official rules say you have to have the weight of 3 people, but you dont have to actually have 3 people.

  12. Re:Misleading NASA feed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    that was a live feed you dumbass. at 38,000ft still attached to the white knight. get a clue before you speak.

  13. Re:Good luck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    So, when you die, what will science and engineering do for you?

    They will do exactly the same as religion will do for you: absolutely nothing.

    It just doesn't matter. Nobody had anything to worry about in the ~10 billion years before they were born; likewise, nobody has anything to worry about after they die. Focus your energy on your actual time in this world, not on futile wishes for some kind of immortality.

  14. It's cool but the bigger picture is cooler by Treeluvinhippy · · Score: 4, Informative

    They are essentially recreating the X-15 experiments made in the early sixties.

    http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/x15/cove r.html

    Those missions a rocket plane would detach from a B-52 and fly to suborbit and then glide back to earth and land like a plane.

    What is really important is that resently there was an article about there being more billionaire's in the United States then there ever was in the history of the United States.

    http://www.fool.com/News/mft/2004/mft04092701.htm

    And now Paul Allen and Burt Rutan are about to prove (I hope!) that these rich kids can have their very own space program for a mere $20 million. Which hopefully will lead to an increase in aerospace start-ups and maybe a boom in aerospace technology similar to the .com boom.

    I hope this happens because not only will we finaly start seeing the promises made during the space race come to fruitation, but we can also learn from our past mistakes made during the dot com era and make a shit load of money by bailling out when the getin's good.

    It's going to take a few years for this to start, Virgin is (assuming it's true and not a publicity stunt it's libel to be) not planning launches for another three years. That's time enough for everyone to change their major's and hit the books for the next big thing.

    Of course if spaceshipone crashes and burns you can just forget about what I just said.

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  15. They did it! by belgar · · Score: 3, Informative

    343,000 feet accomplished just a minute ago. SpaceShipOne's on the way down now.

    Sweeeeeet....

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  16. Events summary up to 11:18 a.m. EDT by dark-br · · Score: 4, Informative

    1509 GMT (11:09 a.m. EDT)
    DROP! SpaceShipOne has been released from the White Knight mothership.

    1510 GMT (11:10 a.m. EDT)
    IGNITION! SpaceShipOne is firing to space in pursuit of the $10 million Ansari X Priz

    1512 GMT (11:12 a.m. EDT)
    Altitude is 250,000 feet. Craft appears to be in a tumble from the tracking cameras.

    1512 GMT (11:12 a.m. EDT)
    Altitude achieved was 330,000 feet, which was needed for the X Prize.

    1514 GMT (11:14 a.m. EDT)
    The ship appears in a much smoother orientation following the major roll experienced at the end of the burn. The wings have feathered for the descent.

    1516 GMT (11:16 a.m. EDT)
    The descent continues. SpaceShipOne looks to be under good control as the wings are folded back down and locked for a powerless glide to landing on the runway.

    1518 GMT (11:18 a.m. EDT)
    SpaceShipOne is descending through 35,000 feet and cleared for landi

    More here

  17. TOUCHDOWN!!! by dark-br · · Score: 2, Informative



    SpaceShipOne has landed safely, bringing Mike Melvill back to Earth after a seemingly frightening flight that experienced a major roll during the engine firing!!!

    More info here

  18. Re:Aerodynamics and 'correction' by d_p · · Score: 2, Informative

    A sismilar anomaly in a previous flight was attributed to wind shear at altitude.

  19. Re:Aerodynamics and 'correction' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I stand corrected. Melville used up most of the RCS propellant correcting roll after engine shut off.

  20. More info on parent... by Fallen+Andy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yep, and Burt Rutan was the guy who designed "Voyager" (the plane that flew round the world on
    one tank of gas). His brother Dick + Janet Yeager
    were the pilots.

    He's also working with Steve Fossett + Sir Richard
    Branson on a *new* project where Mr.Fossett plans
    to do the same round the world trip *solo*.

    One funny thing here: Sir Richard Branson is the
    *backup* pilot - even though he doesn't have a
    pilots license.

    Awesome engineering. Thank god they don't believe
    in computers. Can you imagine Windows CE or XP
    **AARRGGHH ?

    1. Re:More info on parent... by Catbeller · · Score: 2, Informative

      I grew up on Burt Rutan articles in Popular Science. Rutan was initially famous for designing kit planes, such as the VariViggen[sp?] VariEZ, and the LongEZ, if I'm not getting a couple of the names wrong. Bob Denver was flying a Rutan kit plane when he crashed, if that jogs a memory for anyone.

      The kit planes were famous for the angled canard wings near the nose. Rutan designed them so that it was nearly impossible to stall the plane by making the canards lose lift before the main trailing wings did, thus dropping the nose before control was lost.

      The planes were also cheap, beautiful, and easy to fly. Frankly, I don't know if they are still being sold, but I hope they are.

      NOW, if Rutan and Paul Moeller of the flying car project could just get together...

  21. Re:I'm impressed. by crawling_chaos · · Score: 3, Informative
    The general wisdom was the X-15 was a better bet for getting into space vs. missiles but it lost out to the rocket boys in the politics at NASA.

    No, the flyboys at Yeager's Test Pilot school believed that the X-15 was a better bet, in particular because Mercury was just a "man in a can." At that time, missiles were the best bet to get to orbit in a sustainable fashion, as the re-entry problem for blunt bodies had already been solved during the design of ICBM nosecones.

    Furthermore, there is no chance that Rattan's craft will scale up to a lunar vehicle as the mothership aircraft would have to be enormous. If he can get an orbital vehicle out of this technology then this could prove to be an excellent way to ferry people to LEO, but it won't have the cargo capacity of even a Delta, much less a Saturn V.

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  22. Re:Good luck by renoX · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, of course we all know that praying has nothing to do with religion/superstition..

    So I guess that the dictionnary is wrong then?
    Prayer: 1 a (1) : an address (as a petition) to God or a god in word or thought

  23. Re:Good luck by dsanfte · · Score: 2, Informative

    Do a google search for bald-faced and bold-faced. You will find bold-faced to be the correct usage (13,000 hits versus 160,000 for bold).

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  24. Re:Impact on cost of sending cargo up to GEO? by MikeTwo · · Score: 2, Informative

    As I mentioned in another post - this rocket does not go orbital. It's a completely different beast to go orbital and be reusable. The SS1 design would have to be modified greatly. Further, there is already a carry-and-drop rocket that puts satellites into orbit: it's called Pegasus.

  25. NASA Responds With Class by blair1q · · Score: 2, Informative

    Glenn Mahone
    Headquarters, Washington Sept. 29, 2004
    (Phone: 202/358-1898)

    RELEASE: 04-323

    NASA SALUTES SPACESHIPONE TEAM AFTER SECOND FLIGHT

    NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe congratulated the
    SpaceShipOne team on the second successful flight of a human on
    a private spacecraft. Administrator O'Keefe was in the Mojave
    Desert, Calif., today to watch SpaceShipOne pilot Mike Melvill
    take off and safely land.

    "Burt Rutan and Paul Allen and the rest of the team are great
    examples of the kind of determination and creativity that is
    helping America achieve its exploration goals," Administrator
    O'Keefe said. "We at NASA applaud their terrific achievement
    today, as well as the spirit of competition behind the Ansari X
    Prize.We wish Mike continued safe travels to space," he said.

    >From the orbiting International Space Station, NASA astronaut
    Mike Fincke took note of the SpaceShipOne flight. "Well, it was
    nice that [cosmonaut] Gennady [Padalka] and I weren't the only
    two humans off the planet, even if it was only for a little
    while," he said during space-to-ground transmissions today.
    "So, good job and congratulations to the SpaceShipOne team!"

    Fincke's comments are available on the NASA TV Video File
    available on the Web and via satellite in the continental U.S.
    on AMC-6, Transponder 9C, C-Band, at 72 degrees west longitude.
    The frequency is 3880.0 MHz. Polarization is vertical, and
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  26. Re:Aerodynamics and 'correction' by schmaltz · · Score: 2, Informative

    Although the atmosphere is very thin at that altitude, wind gusts can reach hundreds of miles per hour. There's enough energy in them that a low-mass projectile like SS1, with its broad flat perpendicular surfaces (wings), could be spun.

    Now, it's unclear in what I've read whether SS1 has gyros. If roll is a regular occurrence with this type of spacecraft, I'm sure there will need to be some design changes to introduce better stability with respect to that axis.

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