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SUSE 9.2 Released
peterprior writes "Novell have issued a press release announcing SUSE Linux 9.2. The new version comes with kernel 2.6, KDE 3.3, Gnome 2.6 and features (amongst other things) enhanced wireless support as well as Evolution 2.0 with Groupwise / Exchange connectivity. The WYSIWYG web development tool Nvu is also included. The new release is expected to hit the retail shelves in early November."
Articles I've read say that it will be released in November. But it does sound nice :)
Here are some of the articles:
vnunet
tectonic
linuxelectrons
It's a paper lauch !
Currently, it's as much "released" as Longhorn.
The correct headline would have said "SuSE 9.2 announced", or sometime like that.
Rainer
Windows 2000 - from the guys who brought us edlin
Actually yes, But you have to recompile the kernel. Note: It doesn't install with less than 256 MB RAM and doesn't work well with less than 512 MB RAM.
The title should read
SUSE 9.2 Announced
It's due for release early November
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Some people are good with words, others,
Now I see an unpleasant tendency of including prerelease software in SuSE. As far as I remember, they were shipping a prerelease gcc 3.3, which caused problems with my (in-house) project and some prerelease of X11. Overall quality of the distro degraded. Also, I just don't get why they have Qt compiled with -DQT_NO_STL. As result, C++ programs that use STL have problems with system's Qt/KDE. This doesn't save memory/improve performance/etc., gcc shipped with SuSE has no problems with STL - so why?
I don't know whether SuSE is improving or getting worse now, as I'm currently deeply buried in .NET brain damage stuff. But next time when I'll be able to work under Linux most of time, I think I'll switch to something like Gentoo.
From the press release: "SUSE LINUX Professional 9.2 core technology includes the new enhanced Linux kernel 2.6.8"
So, yeah, that version.
I found Suse to be a very good mix of windows (profesional grades) and linux. Having tried linux sporadically since '95, it is definitely one of the most polished distributions I have ever seen.
Looks aside, I think YaST is one of the most useful configurator/installers/admin panels I have ever used.
The downsides of 9.1 are its wireless tools (I have a broadcom chip, so I had to use ndiswrapper... switching between networks required admin commandline work.) The other problem, which is a problem with many linux distro's but still hasn't been addressed for my situation, is ACPI. Yes I use a laptop. No, Suse did not pander to me with easy to install packages... meanwhile, it did install at least 4 different packages for bluetooth, which is one thing I don't use.
In general, though, I would tell anyone to give it a try.
I'd suggest you give quanta a try, it's much more mature than nvu. While nvu is pretty nice for building your personal web page if you don't know html or just want to get it done fast, imho the project is still to young to compete with dreamweaver. But it's certainly getting there.
Btw., just thought I'd mention that Lindows is behind the development of nvu and that the chief developer for it is the guy who developed mozilla composer (on which nvu is based).
Up until Version 7 they had ISO images available. They changed their policy because they wanted / needed the revenue, and in essence there is nothing wrong with it, now is there?
I bought 9.1 and I might download the 9.2 iso and upgrade, we'll see when the time comes.
If you want to e-mail me, use my PGP Key.
Novell offers the Open-Xchange server for SuSE (and other Linux) as their groupware replacement for MS Exchange. But to connect to it with Outlook, you have to install their MAPI store, iSLOX, on the client machine. Yesterday, PalmOne announced they've licensed the Exchange server sync protocol, so they can offer Outlook-type clients, that connect to actual Exchange servers, without the (usually clueless) client user having to add any software at all. Sure, it's criminal for Microsoft to lock down their protocols, locking competitors out of the market they dominate. But at least they're licensing it to competitors now. Novell's got a lot of money; why don't they license it to include an "Exchange stub" in their O-X server?
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I'd been running samba/samba-tng network for the last 4/5 years on different distros but I have yet to see a distro that makes it easy to set up a basic serversetup for a small business network (dhcp,bind,samba and nfs) without having to use the commandline +++.
The shocker is how close SuSE is to achieving this in 9.1 - but that they didn't bother to go the last mile.
This would make it a kickass product for many SMEs.
As of 9.1 the following things are missing:
The press release says that they have adressed these issues (aehm, it says a redesigned user interface to permit easier setup of SAMBA, DNS and DHCP servers whatever that means), let's hope they have.
The poster seems to prefer Evolution, so please note that SUSE's Kontact has also Groupwise and Exchange connectivity besides SLOX, eGroupware and Kolab.
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XDamage is standard part of X.org 6.8.1, and the SUSE 9.1 binary packages of X.org 6.8.1 also contain the Composite extension but not enabled by dfeault.
Probably. It hasn't even been moved into "unstable" in oh-so-bleeding-edge Gentoo. :)
KDE 3.3's been out for an extra month, which I'm sure helped.
I'm not going to dispute you, but this is a well-known bug, not FUD. Many of us are still running 2.6.7 in Debian because 2.6.8 (any version) is still broken. I don't know what you did to get it to work, but the Debian bug report says that 2.6.8.1 wasn't fixed.
Put identity in the browser.
Gnome is pretty much Gnome, KDE is pretty much KDE. I did end up with both a KDE and a GNOME "home" icon on my GNOME desktop, but I had some issues related to conversion from legacy SLackware and RedHat config file sin my home directory, plus I installed in a couple of stages, so it's hard to say whose fault that is.
I prefered the version of GNOME that came in RH8, but the new one is plenty GNOMish under SuSe. I'm less familiar with KDE, but it certainly looks and feels like KDE to me.
Since I'm running SuSe on a 500MHz system, I explored all the desktops, then switched back to ctwm. 8^/
FWIW, we also have a couple of dual Opterons at work running 8.0 Enterprise (or whatever they call it). KDE and GNOME also seemed pretty normal there.
Perhaps 9.0 => 9.2 will work.
Basically, the upgrade failed (and left my system in a partially upgraded state, requiring me to restore from backup tapes) due to some internal error. Yes, I have an older system (dual Celeron 500's). Red Hast was happy on it before the upgrade to SuSE 9.0, though.
Since I purchased the professional, I figured I'd get support. Not so. I was told, because of the error I got, I had to do a "manual upgrade", but that's not covered by professional support. And, I had to wait weeks to be told this. Perhaps it was the language barrier.
Since the system involved is fairly critical, I deicded to leave it at 9.0. I'm a little wary now of SuSE.
Nvu is essentially Mozilla Composer with a few improvements. I think, at least for the time being, Quanta is substantially more powerful, especially for server-side stuff. I'd say that would be a better plan. In the 3.3 release of KDE, it has a link checker, mass find and replace tool, and a ton of other things. Nvu seems to be just an HTML editor (like Composer before it), at least for the time being. Quanta is a full-featured XML (and derivatives, like XHTML) editor, and does PHP, as well. (also ColdFusion, I think...). It is a KDE app, so that should be factored in to any consideration, I suppose...
Has anyone tried Nvu? I never heard about it until today. If it works, it seems like a great program, as I currently don't use FP (because it sucks) and Dreamweaver because it is expensive. I think I'll give it a try on my OS X box when I get home tonight.
SIGFAULT
"As of version 9.2, a personal edition is not being offered anymore."
From the SuSE site:
Main memory: At least 128 MB; 256 MB recommended
And that's probably for the default kde desktop install. If you use something lighter you should be ok with less memory.
And, of course, it will probably install even if you're running on much less than the minimum req.
I tried Nvu about a month ago but put it away because it lacks too many things I rely on in Dreamweaver.
The biggest missing part at this point is the file-management Dreamweaver has tackled so well. In Dreamweaver you can define a local site as well as a remote site, work on local files and upload them easily, browse remote files, etc., etc.
But Nvu so far lets you define one site, that site being your remote, live site. Too non-useful yet.
That said, Nvu will get there eventually, and it should rival Dreamweaver's rich features, including syntax-coloring, find-and-replacing, and on and on.
You can download all the updates as source RPMs, build them, and install them. You can even download RHE (any version) in it's entirety as source RPMs and build it. Have a look a whitebox linux (it's RHE built from the publically available source RPMs). I don't know about the yearly subscription for updates.
No, not that version.
Distribution kernels typically add a number of patches to the vanilla version in order to better meet the needs of their users. This includes features like lkcd or external filesystems, but more importantly, it means that it has critical bug fixes that weren't released into a vanilla release kernel.
The SUSE Linux 9.2 kernel carries the version number of 2.6.8, but is actually based on 2.6.9-rc2, with critical bug fixes beyond that. Since 2.6.9 isn't yet released, it would be inaccurate to call the kernel 2.6.9, but it's hardly vanilla 2.6.8.
You can see just what's in the kernel by checking out SUSE Kernel of the Day, which is built from the CVS tree, and picking the appropriate subdirectory under there.
Here you are:x /preview/sysreqs.html
http://www.suse.com/en/private/products/suse_linu
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This is simply not true. I have it running on an older machine with 128 megs. It works fine out of the box.
It is unbearably slow in KDE with less than 256, but since I'm using Windowmaker, it's just fine.
Amazing how many knee-jerk reactions to the parent post without checking the actual requirements.
And as a side note, I've installed 9.1 on 2 different laptops and 5 different laptops. The only driver that didn't work "out of the box" was a VIA chipset's sound card (don't remember the chipset number -- I'm across town from the system right now). It was a lousy soundcard that needed upgrading anyway (working great with my Audigy II).