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Browsing Reality With Sensor Networks
Roland Piquepaille writes "Welcome to the world of 'Reality Mining'! The billions of networked sensors that exist today are generating humongous streams of data. What about 'data mining' this big flow of data and discover our environment in a way that never existed before? Suddenly, sensors would look like pixels and we would start to browse reality as easily as we browse web pages today. Fascinating concept! Some fellows at Accenture Technology Labs are thinking about this and they already have designed some demos of reality mining software. Their demos include web agents, data modeling, GIS systems and much more. They also show how you could detect fires or how you would do virtual shopping. Please read their long article or this shorter summary for a couple of examples."
Enveriomental coverage, and monitor.
Everyvody should be able to by monitors of all sorts, they place outside their house, or just walk around with.
Then we could very precicely monitor the enverioment for changes, and maybe find causes.
I started browsing reality around the age of 1, when I learned to WALK.
along the lines of:
"A method of using geographically separated networked sensors to mine data about the physical environment..."
so I dont need a shovel? technology is nifty...
That is a really cool idea.
;-)
Did anyone else think of Snowcrash when they saw this? It's almost like the world of Snowcrash super-imposed on reality with all the cool stuff.
However, this is also ripe for abuse. I can think of so many people who'd want to "hack" into what you see and do weird things (make you see a fire in places where there is not).
Already, the latest JPEG exploit makes me think of hacking into a system by merely viewing an image - this would make it closer to that reality
Vague name with 'mining' - check.
Gratuitous use of the word 'virtual' - check.
'Shopping' is involved somehow - check.
Time to go hustle up some VC like it was 1997!
Suddenly, sensors would look like pixels and we would start to browse reality as easily as we browse web pages today.
Aacccch! Nooo more advertising! Aaaaarg! Tin foil or no tin foil... don't say i didn't warn you!
he just takes it, then reposts it for 400$ per advert per month, nice little cashflow for copyright infringment
do you think sensormag mind him reposting their articles on his website without permission for profit ?
maybe a C&D would persuade weblogs.com to tighten up ?
People have been talking about integrating sensor networks like this for a long time. One issue that comes up often is what to do about privacy - especially with regard to image data. You can put a camera on every building in town - and you can be guaranteed that at least one person per day will object to having their picture taken and used for some open-source data fusion project.
This sig is a test. If this had been an actual sig, you would be reading something quite a bit wittier than this now.
Junis! How's the DVD ripping going?
just a new way to sell more porn...
- Your stupidity got you into this mess, why can't it get you out? -Will Rogers
The US gov't wants to do this kind of thing, not with sensors but with data from credit cards, libraries, schools, airlines, etc. I haven't been too worried about this so far, considering that we don't have the technology to pull useful data out of all that noise, but if we can do it with sensor networks, who knows. How long until all of those cameras at intersections are hooked up into one all-seeing electronic mind that will always know where you're going and what you do when you get there?
Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
That app is *really* cyberspace. Now we need HMD with projected overlays, marking up optically viewed scenes ("reality"(TM)) with rendered sensor reports. Who's got my goggles?
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if you want to browse reality, just step AWAY from the computer and take a walk outside!
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Man, as technology improves it keeps bringing us closer and closer to the technology displayed in movies over the last 20 years.
A pretty neat application of this would be the ability to create almost that robocop type view of the world with specialy designed contacts or something like that. You walk around and have infomation fed to you about the various objects you see in your reality,
Be better in bed. Wikiafterdark!
Still no word on where all the money went at Worldcom. Film at 11.
If guns kill people, then CmdrTaco's keyboard misspells words.
Reminds me of an article i readon aderkach.
don't have time to go into tdetails, but, here's the link -- anybody else see the similarity
Isn't Accenture the company you hire when you want a really big project screwed up? Cool.
If we could read the information from molecules or even atoms about the molecules or atoms that are directly next to them and from that, read the same information for the molecules next to those, thus creating a chain, I've always wondered if it would be possible to create a 3d model of the universe, reading it molecule by molecule.
minesweeper is still going to be included in windows right? I mean, they aren't going to replace minesweeper right... *heart beat* *heart beat*, no, they they they wouldn't.. do that. /me pops 2 painkillers and passeszzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......
What is slashdot?
I have been working on a version of this idea for a long time. It truly is fascinating. Imagine being able to reverse engineer the future based on the largest data cube in the world- the physics and chemistry of the molecules in the world around us. Think of a massive 3D version of the Periodic Table of Elements but applied to molecules and particles. Self-organizing on an immense scale. Imagine if we could see relationships amongst things where today relationships do not exist. I, for one, welcome our Universal Data Cube Overlords.
Reality is a crutch for people who can't handle lucid dreaming.
Bloody hell.. Are there any technology buzzwords and corporate bullshit expressions that article didn't use?
Vinge wrote about something like this in "A Deepness in the Sky', only he called them localizers. The bad part is they made the police state more powerful than Orson Wells ever imagined.
A virus will start spreading across all computers and then someone will put StarNet online. The next thing you know, naked people will start appearing in big balls of light.
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
I see nodal points everywhere...
Bwahahahahahaha!!!!!
I wonder if this will finally allow geeks the ability to 'browse' girlfriends o_0
I for one refuse to support Roland Piquepaille by clicking through. Who is with me?
1: Make Roland Piquepaille a foe
2: Block my foe's submissions from my view of the front page
Failing that, howsabout you just ignore his submissions and move on to the next story?
/me forgot to check the submitter on this one. 'Doh!
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Wake me when we have effective position location sensors, indoors and out, and the required beacon deployment to be useful most places.
Until then its all BS.
Data is useless without context. Position is the best context we have any hope of auto-generating.
You guys do know this is a hoax, right?
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This is getting really annoying. Either put the bozo in his own section or stop posting his stupid ads. Or at least edit them to reference the original story, not the Plogged version. This is like being subscribed to PR Newswire.
We need a camera that digitizes real life into an online 3d map.
With GPS on a cellphone with a mapping program like mapsonus, and a bus schedule, you could find where you want to go fast. Or how about a cellphone with a cab pager button.
I like finding resturants within a certain radius, like some devices do gas stations. Eventually events could be plotted on the devices too, so you could attend or not. Lots of stuff can be done, but only a little is done here and there.
God spoke with me:
www.geocities.com/James_Sager_PA/love3.html
God spoke to me.
Perhaps it'll have a Rosebud option?
From the article:
As cameras become a standard cell phone feature, we're becoming the most connected and instrumented people in history.
How are we merely becoming the most connected people? I don't remember seeing Caesar cruising through Rome, telling all his "boys" to "holla back at a brotha on my 2-Way, cause I'm a roll out to Cairo for a weekend dip in the Nile". Perhaps that is information that my public school budgets couldn't afford to dig up.
It cant be that hard...minus all this ronald and slashvertisement bullshit.
*waits for the obligatory comment about the matrix being too information-dense to viualize, except as symbols*
I just don't see this taking off without incorporating porn somehow.
- Outcry From Tinfoil Hat Brigade
- I Welcome Our New Lamp Post Overlords
- Maybe We Can Beowulf These Sensors
- This Will Finally Finish SCO Off
- Something About Soviet Russia
- A Groklaw Link Saying "We Filed Suit Against It Three Weeks Ago"
- I Voted For Kodos
Repeat Above In Random Order Until...
Profit!
I have a plan. Using mainly spoons, we'll tunnel our way out of the city...
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This is Chaos Theory 101 if I'm not correct (INAM::I'm not a mathematician)? The class CT example is having weather scensors 100 feet covering the earth and still storm prediction would be impossible due to small variations of unpredicatability.
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So if someones says something about dinosours on an island, just remember I told you so
"This isn't a study in computer science, its a study in human behavior"
The problem is of course that people are against this. I, for one, do not have a problem as long as it's easily accessible public information. Think back to 20 years ago. What would you say if your next-door neighbor had our present time internet, with access to public records, opinions, sports cores, etc. etc. etc. We take it for granted now because everyone can do it.
I think this is probably what will cause the singularity.
Small potatoes make the steak look bigger.
If you want to read a world where nanites with audio/video form a supercomping net that anyone can access to invade anyone else's privacy, then you need to read this book. This is really searching reality. Frighteningly, the technology for this is probably less than a few decades away.
This part of your reply really amused me:
Also, standards-compliance will be impossible to implement: show me ten different temperature sensors and I'll show you 12 different ways of handling the data.
Very well put, and funny to boot! I lik ethe idea too but it's a lot harder than it might seem on the surface when you start working with real, physical, sensors.
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I was just thinking that the editors had actually caught on. That they had started ignoring this ass-hat's submissions.
Bzzt. Wrong.
Could Roland be a pseudonym for Jon Katz???
Can we get him fired too???
PLEASE?
put the what in the where?
The UK government have been using them to royally sqrew up projects for decades. The US government seem to prefer CSC for that, so I'm not sure who's the market leader in fucking up big IT projects at the moment.
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Microsoft Research is well respected and does lots of original research, but has a focus on stuff that can be applied. As Clippy has shown, their ideas aren't always good, though.
IBM Research does lots of cool research that ranges from applied stuff for new products to basic scientific research in many different fields.
Accenture Technology Labs researches new buzzwords and how they can be applied to things that other people have already done. They are very good at realizing the maximal rate of return of their innovations for their corporate parent on the going forward path, though.
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the submitter couldnt give a shit about the content, its all about getting you (& 50,000 /.ers) to visit the article and create impressions for advertising, thats the whole purpose of the site, the guy just copy and pastes whole articles vertabim and then doesnt have to pay the writer like other sites
weblogs.com are turning a blind eye as they just havent had a lawyer pissed off at them yet to shut them down
of course time will tell, in the meantime its payday! thank you for playing, keep clicking dumbass !
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Although this is a cool idea, it's dangerous too. You know how you get all upset with cookies and spyware? Well, this can (and probably will, sooner or later) lead to the same thing in real life. Imagine running out of milk and being bombarded with Mayfield ads everywhere you go.
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
People have been connecting sensors to the internet etc for a long time. Most small microcontroller companies (eg. Microchip) have been promoting this kind of thing for many years.
In short there's nothing new here technically - just a marketeer with a new tie and jacket.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
Scatter these sensors around Hollywood, and use the software to search for nodal influences in the Celeb world, and you have Slitscan. Though, I can't wait to see the "average" consumer.
"Which is to say, [Laney], anything that might be of interest to Slitscan's audience. Which is best visualized as a vicious, lazy, profoundly ignorant, perpetually hungry organism craving the warm god-flesh of the anoited. Personally I like to imagine something the size of a baby hippo, the color of a week-old boiled potato, that lives by itself, in the dark, in a double-wide on the outskirts of Topeka. It's covered with eyes and sweats constantly. The sweat runs info those eyes and makes them sting. It has no mouth, [Laney], no genitals, and can only express its mute extremes of murderous rage and infantile desire by changing the channels on a universal remote. Or by voting in presidental elections."
Idoru, William Gibson
Aw, is that green coming from Slashdot or from your face?
While I agree that roland is a useless douchebag there is some merit to making assorted sensors free for open use. If you make yours open, and the next guy does too, you can use each other's sensors and you both benefit.
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I say boycott slashdot until one of the following are met:
1) We get a Roland Piquepaille section.
2) Slashdot stops taking kickbacls
3) Slashdot distributes kickbacks to readers.
That would be nice! I mean the part about you folks boycotting slashdot. I mean you folks who are under the delusion that slashdot takes kickbacks... With you folks gone, the signal-to-noise ratio should increase dramatically and we'll be back to the good old days.
So yes please! Boycott slashdot forever!
Is it just me, or does this read like a press release?
Is it just me, or has Slashdot been posting quite a few articles lately that involve nothing more than a large company and vague intimations of something related to technology going on there?
McBain: Zee Goggles! ZEY DO NOTHING!
Happy Noodle Boy says "F###ing doughnut! Mock me? You fried cyclops!!"
and hiding will become an artform.. because no one will believe that something could actually *hide* from the sensor web... So hidden things will be very well hidden indeed once you assume that they cannot exist.
meh
Quite a few Slashdot readers think Roland Piquepaille (rpiquepa is exploiting this site as a way of upping his ad impressions. There's a strong argument that he wants to turn the Slashdot effect into ad money, and this is supported by the habit he has of linking not to the article, but to a verbatim copy posted on his ad-supported blog. Engadget (ptorrone) are pretty dubious too, but at least they bother to write their own content.
/. editors, and I don't necessarily think that their submissions should be rejected. Whether they are astroturf or not is up to the individual reader to decide, and some people seem to enjoy them. What I would like to see is the ability to let the individual block submissions from particular users somehow, either as a subscription feature (block by UID / foes list), or a Firefox extension (based on NukeAnything perhaps).
Having said that, I don't think Roland etc are bribing the
And I no, I don't have the time / skillset / influence to code the above myself. I'm just putting some ideas out for discussion.
Vino, gyno, and techno -Bruce Sterling
Roland's UID is rpiquepa -- that should get you started : )
Vino, gyno, and techno -Bruce Sterling
some people have been spending WAY too much time with their butt parked in front of a computer screen. If you want to browse reality, get up off your flabby fat ass and GO OUTSIDE.
you geeks could stand to get some sun anyway.
No catch phrase bullsh!t here:
http://www.ewcd.org/ - about 80 remote monitoring stations updated hourly.
http://www.sevierriver.org/ - something similar
on how to pick the pockets of their clients. I have just rolled off a(nother) major project that they screwed up. The offshored it to their own delivery centre in Manila and I guess the project plan was a result of mining the imagination and the offshore delivery centre was full of virtual resources.
See my journal, I write things there
If this is anything like other Accenture prototypes I've seen, there is absolutely *nothing* there.
This looks to me like a couple of photos, crudely touched up in Paintshop or something, accompanied by a press release, and a shopping list of products that maybe, just maybe could be integrated (at great expense) to do something vaguely like what's in the mocked-up photos
At least that's the extent of the "research" Accenture usually do - in other words nothing at all, no exploration, no IT work of any description, nada, zero.
Every passenger will see a custom view upon his vision angle to the windscreen and his profile (you looking for bars and traffic directions while your wife look for shops)
It's a question of data mining and calibration.
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