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MPAA Blames Linux Australia Notice on Human Error

rjch writes "According to ZDNet Australia, the MPAA is blaming their recent takedown notice to Linux Australia as 'human error'. 'MPAA spokesman Matt Grossman denied the MPAA's system, which sends out 100,000 notices of claimed infringement on an annual basis was flawed. He said the organisation was not doing blind keyword matching against Internet content and sending out automatic infringement notices without checks, as Linux Australia had previously claimed.' When asked why this slipped through their checks, Grossman told Builder AU 'the answer is a simple human error unfortunately. Everyone has a bad day'. Grossman further denied the MPAA was sending out unsolicited e-mails."

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  1. automatic checking! by psy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can you really believe that they are going to manually check 100,000 files for legimacy?

    1. Re:automatic checking! by kanenas · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sure they have 100.000 monkeys

    2. Re:automatic checking! by .orvp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They would need more than that, he said that %99.9999 of the people getting them were actually sharing the files illegally. That would mean that since there are 3 highly publicised mess ups, they have sent these notices to over 3 million people. And really, I bet there are more than just 3.

      So if there are 10 people who get bad notices, did they really send out infringment notices to 10 million people? That is a lot of monkies you need.

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    3. Re:automatic checking! by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, not only is this an automated checking with no human error, but it would appear that they have total idiots working on the coding side. They are simply looking at the filenames and not the content. It would indicate that a mapping of names to others might be in order.

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    4. Re:automatic checking! by Gopal.V · · Score: 4, Interesting

      > So if there are 10 people who get bad notices, did they really send out infringment notices to 10 million people?

      If they had that many validated email addresses - they'd be the king of spam !!.

    5. Re:automatic checking! by DrSkwid · · Score: 3, Funny


      No, but I can believe that you didn't manually check all 15 words for legitimate spellings. :)

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    6. Re:automatic checking! by SB5 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sure they have 100.000 monkeys

      They are rented monkeys from the RIAA, so they use RIAA math, its just two monkeys but they are really really really fast.

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    7. Re:automatic checking! by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 3, Funny

      You sez:

      "They are rented monkeys from the RIAA,
      so they use RIAA math, its just two monkeys
      but they are really really really fast."

      Nah .... they have nine monkeys.

      Two doing the math, and the rest trying to screw in the bulb.

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    8. Re:automatic checking! by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 4, Funny

      How do you fit 7 monkeys inside a light bulb?

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  2. Human Error ? Everyone has a bad day ? by anti-pop-frustration · · Score: 5, Funny

    I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you.

    1. Re:Human Error ? Everyone has a bad day ? by mrdaveb · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's an ominous line that HAL says in "2001: A Space Odyssey"

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  3. Multiple paragraphs on the front page? by hanssprudel · · Score: 3, Funny


    What is this? A change in policy on Slashdot. This can only be for the worse. I am very angry. Rabble rabble rabble (or something).

    1. Re:Multiple paragraphs on the front page? by I+Love+this+Company! · · Score: 3, Funny

      Leave it to the new guy to discover the "Enter" key.

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      "All art is quite useless." -- Oscar Wilde
  4. Human errors will not be tolerated at MPAA by JVert · · Score: 5, Funny

    MPAA vowes to eliminate any posibilty of human error on their next "mailing" by incorporating high tech tools that will seek out and verify the violations using descriptive meta-data and file naming system. Furthermore any attempts to circumvent this proccess will be dealt with in a strict and obscure manner. We reccomend that you check your current library against known copyrighted work unless you want to get pwnd.

    Thank you.

    1. Re:Human errors will not be tolerated at MPAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dear MPAA,

      I didn't mean to make 1000 of my MPAA MPEG collection public. I mean to make 1000 of my Indie artist MPEG collection and movie clips. I have the right to distribute those freely.

      I'm sure you'll understand and quietly overlook the incident because you know that we're all human.

      Sincerely,
      --- Honest Miss Taek Wright

  5. MPAA doing their duty. by Quikyn · · Score: 3, Funny

    Everyone knows Linux Australia are pirating Unix on a massive scale and owe Eleventy Billion Dollars to SCO for every piece of intellectual property downloaded. MPAA is just doing their duty for the owners IP everywhere.

    1. Re:MPAA doing their duty. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wouldn't that be the BSA, not the MPAA?

      And since when does the MPAA have authority in Australia? Wouldn't that be the "Screen Producers Associarion of Australia?

      Wait... since when has ANYTHING the MPAA done contained some sort of common sense?

  6. Yeah right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    If that's so, I would be happy to serve any Adult Movie Industry Association for such antipiracy purposes.

  7. Unsolicited emails... by aaza · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Have the MPAA ever done business with Linux Australia?
    Doubtful, but I would need to check.

    Is the mail sent of a commercial nature?
    "Take this down or we sue." Kinda commercial, if suing people is their business (for the RIAA it seems to be, maybe it is for the MPAA as well).

    CAN-SPAM?
    Apparently they can.

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    In practice, however, there is.
  8. I'd love to try turning that one around... by MachDelta · · Score: 4, Funny

    MPAA: OMG! You're downloading movies you evil pirate! Why?! STOP IMMEDIATELY!!

    Me: Human error. Watch. *Click* - OOPS! Finger slipped!

    1. Re:I'd love to try turning that one around... by hype7 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      MPAA: OMG! You're downloading movies you evil pirate! Why?! STOP IMMEDIATELY!!

      Me: Human error. Watch. *Click* - OOPS! Finger slipped!


      What's more concerning is that this may open the door for spammers to pull the "accident" route and bypass the law. It wouldn't be a long running business practice, but what's to stop them setting up a shell company, "accidentally" spamming a lot of people, then closing the company up so it doesn't "accidentally" do it twice?

      Set up a new company, wash, rinse, repeat.

      -- james
  9. We apologise for the fault.. by Suchetha · · Score: 3, Funny

    .. in the subtitles^Wextortion^Wnotices.

    Those responsible have been sacked.

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  10. Maybe.. by Wilkshake · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Maybe the MPAA needs to start basing their takedown notices on actual or proven infringement of copyright rather than just their current reign of circumstantial and claimed legal Gestapoing.

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    1. Re:Maybe.. by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Still, I bet that most people who get those takedown notices are indeed breaking the law.

      It's not like you are dead meat once you get a takedown notice. There's no court case running against you yet, and you can still inform the *AA that what you're doing is, in fact, completely legal. Then maybe they'll do an actual assesment, or they might just drop the case and go after an easier target.

      I think people are really giving the RIAA too hard a time. Yes, they refuse to see the light on online distribution. And indeed, we don't need them to distribute our music. However, it is their task to find copyright infringers and bring them to justice, and that's what they're doing. Even those teenagers who get sued get sued because they are breaking the law. If you disagree with the law, fine, get the law changed. You live in a democracy, right? Right?

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    2. Re:Maybe.. by Tom · · Score: 5, Insightful

      you can still inform the *AA that what you're doing is, in fact, completely legal.

      I could. But why should I? They are looking for something, it's their job to verify their search results. Why should I waste a second of my time pointing out to them what they should've checked themselves?

      They're sending these messages out in the thousands. If we assume an error rate of 1%, and that is a very forgiving assumption, that's a hundred or so errors. If it takes 30 minutes to sort things out, that's 50 hours burnt on account of the **AA, 50 hours that they don't pay a dime for, but should.

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    3. Re:Maybe.. by BlueWonder · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Still, I bet that most people who get those takedown notices are indeed breaking the law.

      Once upon a time, judging if somebody broke the law was not based on betting...

      However, it is their task to find copyright infringers and bring them to justice, and that's what they're doing.

      You seem to have missed the point of the article. It's about a case where finding copyright infringers was not what they've been doing,

      Even those teenagers who get sued get sued because they are breaking the law.

      So you're saying that Linux Australia is a bunch of teenagers who broke the law?

      If you disagree with the law, fine, get the law changed.

      Which law is it that gives the MPAA the right to harass innocent people?

  11. future mails by mirko · · Score: 4, Funny
    Future MPAA mails will begin with some harsh accusations and end with some disclaimer in the fine print, thus making it even more surrealistic.
    I can imagine it :

    Dear xxxx
    We ave strong reasons to believe you are infringing our members' copyright, please cease and desist.

    Yours.. erm : Ours...

    PS: Of course, it's also possible that our victim file got messed up by one of our million monkeys in which case you might disregard this mail.
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    1. Re:future mails by wheany · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hey, they already say "Also, we hereby state, that the information in this notification is accurate and that we are authorized to act on behalf of the owners of the exclusive rights being infringed as set forth in this notification."

      At least in this forum post. MPAA is accusing that the guy was downloading the movie "Speed", when the file name is "supermetroid-speedrunv3-frenom.avi."

      I would understand the mistake if the file name was something like "Supermetroid -Speed-frenom.avi", since many movies floating in p2p networks have the name of the ripper/encoder/releaser in them, but the name had the word "speedrun", not just "Speed."

  12. Sorry! by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Funny

    "We accused an innocent group of copyright infringment and threatened a lawsuit, wasting a bunch of people's time and possibly money and causing much emotional suffering, but we're vewy vewy sorry.

    That makes it OK, right?"

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  13. Demoscene also under MPAA scrutiny by andr0meda · · Score: 5, Interesting


    See here

    Reading it, you can clearly see that their 'human error' is no other than an automated filename scan.

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  14. simple humans by Aussie · · Score: 4, Funny

    the answer is a simple human error

    Yep, some simple humans made an error.

  15. Human error, sure ... by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everybody get's away with human error:

    Some guy:
    "No it ws human error, I didn't mean to:
    - violate the speed limit by 100KM/h
    - kill that guy
    - steal money from tax payers
    - cheat the stock market
    - use an aimbot
    - attack iraq because I thought they have WMD
    - ..."

    Judge:
    "Oh, if it was human error then law doesn't apply, so it's ok."

    Can somebody spell bullshit?

  16. Possible by Mr_Silver · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I know we'd like to think that it was all performed by some cool web-searching script, judging by the technical level I've seen of some sections of the music industry, it is entirely possible that they just recruited a whole bunch of temps with the mandate "find files which have our artists name in them" and left them to it.

    In which case, human error (based on rubbish instructions) would be true.

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  17. What we need... by marsu_k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    is more people running this script on their pages.

  18. Who solicits takedown infringement notices? by Cryptnotic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Grossman further denied the MPAA was sending out unsolicited e-mails.

    An infringement notice is an unsolicited e-mail, last time I checked. Can you imagine someone asking to be sent an infringement notice? Though, I don't think that you could say, "Hey, you're saying I'm infringing and you're going to sue me? Well, I'm going to sue you for sending me an unsolicited email! Ha!" I'm sure some lawyer would take your money to file a lawsuit against them, but I don't think you'd get very far in your case.

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  19. Human error? THEY ARE LYING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    This is what, the 100,000th incorrect 'copyright infringement' notice that's been sent out? And they claim it to be human error? Proof that they are FULL OF SHIT - this was received by someone at a board I frequent. Keep in mind this is a board where the topic is emulator-assisted videogame speed runs. Excerpts, since apparently in posting the whole thing I was using too many "junk" characters (the fuck?):
    We have received information that you are providing Internet or Usenet access to the above
    referenced account holder, or hosting the above referenced Internet site, which has made
    available the download or streaming of copyrighted motion picture(s) including such title(s)
    as:

    SPEED

    Infringement Detail:
    Infringing Work: SPEED
    Filepath: supermetroid-speedrunv3-frenom-avi.torrent/
    Filen ame: supermetroid-speedrunv3-frenom.avi
    First Found: 6 Sep 2004 00:29:14 EDT (GMT -0400)
    Last Found: 6 Sep 2004 00:29:14 EDT (GMT -0400)
    Filesize: 182,426k
    IP Address: (removed)
    IP Port: 26887
    Network: BTPeers
    Protocol: BitTorrent
    If that's not patternmatching then they're hiring retards to send these notices out. I'm betting on robots.
  20. Re:Just check by hand. by bhima · · Score: 3, Informative
    A few years ago I was getting to know a nice young lass in marketing. One afternoon she was preparing a mailing to some segment of our customers which literaly took up 7 US Post mailing bins. She was using an automated folder, stuffer, address labeler and sealer (all in one device that would fit on you desk) and it took her longer to decide not to go out with me than to process the mail...

    So no, I don't think it would be eaiser or cheaper.

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  21. Re:In their defense.... by Grym · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exactly.

    The truth of the matter is, we don't know how often this has happened before because the ??AA makes the accused sign non-disclosure agreements upon settlement. Something which shouldn't be considered admission of guilt, by the way.

    The American civil justice system is broke. It operates under the false assumption that all parties have equal legal representation and funding. But that's not even remotely the case when a multi-billion dollar coalition of corporations sues a middle-class citizen for millions of dollars in "damages."

    Given this, why should the MPAA care to check the validity of its legal threats? As far as they're concerned, they the only MISTAKE they made was to send the letter to another company/group. Had it gone to the low-income parents of another thirteen-year old girl, we wouldn't even be talking about it. No bad PR--just the life-savings of a person who strayed from the righteous path of consumerism.

    -Grym

  22. "Bad Day"? WTF by fuzzybunny · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Gee sorry, Mrs. Smith, but the officer who shot your dog made a human error. It happens; hey, everyone has a bad day occasionally."

    What a crock of shit. IANAL and I haven't really thought through the consequences, but while "stealing" a song may or may not be wrong (let's not go into that argument), its net effect per incident on the "owner" is economically small. Conversely, hitting grandma with a $10k pay-up-sucka-or-we-sic-Joey-da-lawyer-on-you blackmail job, per inicident, has a relatively high economic impact on the target. Think speeding fines in Finland, commensurate with the level of your personal income and wealth.

    When someone's committed a crime (once again, without going into whether this is really justifiable as such or not), punishment appropriate to the level of the crime is, well, appropriate. Speed, pay a fine. Kill, go to jail. Usually, even if it's "by mistake".

    Governments, as enforcers of law & order authorized as such by the population of a commonwealth (yet again, please don't go into this argument, I think this is a fairly neutral way of putting it) will usually get away with making mistakes as a whole, even if the individual cop who shot Mrs. Smith's dog may suffer personal consequences. Restitution may be in order to the victim, but not consequences as such for the government as a whole.

    Private entities have no such privilege of authority. I kill your dog, I probably must make some sort of amends to you personally, as well as suffer possible consequences to myself personally.

    Soooo...taking this a step further, when someone's not done anything and is wrongly hit up for restitution for his supposed wrongdoing by a pack of malicious, thoughtless, greedy and unethical baboons (**AA for starts), they should be punished personally. As I would be if I nailed the Smith pooch, even by accident, and be forced to pay restitution appropriate to (a) the level of the wrongdoing committed, and (b) the relative level of nastiness of the wrongdoing.

    In this situation, the corporate thuggery, racketeering, blackmail, bullying and generally being a slobbering pack of cunts (not a crime, although it should be) makes for a pretty awful bit of work.

    In short, make the fuckers pay. Every time they "have a bad day". Through the nose. With criminal lawsuits and prison if possible.

    Grr.

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  23. Auto-Generated Fake Warez Movie Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I finally got around to scripting a dynamic fake warez site. There are currently 250 movies, but you can add your own to the flat text file. This should work on ANY php webserver.

    If you try and download a file, you will get the correct mime-type, and filesize, but the transfer will gradually get slower and slower and it will never finish (well, maybe some day, but its garbage anyways).

    Preview: http://ciagon.dnsalias.com/movies/
    Source: http://ciagon.dnsalias.com/movies/index.phps
    Movie List: http://ciagon.dnsalias.com/movies/movies.txt

    Enjoy!

  24. Jam MPAA by uglyduckling · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Remember Jam Echelon? Perhaps it's time we all filled our http/ftp servers with files whose names will attract attention but whose contents are completely legal...?

  25. Congratulations by pjt33 · · Score: 5, Funny
    Can somebody spell bullshit?
    As one of the /. spelling Nazis, it gives me great pleasure to inform you that you can. You even spelt it correctly.
  26. The solution by Siener · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From many of the previous posts it is clear that the MPAA's explanation of "human error" is bull, so here is what we do:

    1. Anyone who administrates a web/ftp site put a fairly big random file on your site that is called >.mpg or .avi or whatever.

    2. Look at the MPAA spam flowing in

    3. Wait for the stage where the majority of the MPAA's spam is sent to people who are not actually infringing.

    4. Complain to the relevant authorities.

    PS It might be a good idea to put a disclaimer with the file so that people looking for movies don't eat up all your server bandwidth trying to download your random file. Even better configure you server to give an error when someone actually tries to downoad the file.

  27. RIAA Pit of Confusion by salimfadhley · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My tarpit scripts are all GPL2'd for your lawbot defeating pleasure.

  28. The system has still been proven flawed by malsdavis · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "MPAA spokesman Matt Grossman denied the MPAA's system, which sends out 100,000 notices of claimed infringement on an annual basis was flawed."

    Surely if a legitimate website recieved a letter threatening leagal action when it shouldn't have then the system IS flawed regardless of whether it was a human or machine error.

    Besides ultimatly all errors are human errors (if you blame machine errors on the programmer/engineer).

  29. Re:In their defense.... by pjrc · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This can't have happened very often in the past or else we would have heard about a lot more cases like this.

    Just in case anyone didn't see this as satire....

    MPAA mistakes various free code in small zip files (all under 64k) as the movie "Basic" and television serial "Alias")
    http://www.scene.org/showforum.php?forum=5&topic=4 0047

    MPAA mistakes a file manager for X windows as X-Files movie based on television series.
    http://lsolum.typepad.com/copyfutures/2004/09/dmca _iselfhelpi.html

    ESA mistakes "INFMapPacks123FULL-MAN.zip" as Pac Mac video game.
    http://gauley.ucs.indiana.edu/~cshields/dmca_lette r

    RIAA accuses Penn State's Peter Usher of pirating music by rap band "Usher".
    http://news.com.com/RIAA+apologizes+for+threatenin g+letter/2100-1025_3-1001095.html

    RIAA admitts to "several dozens more additional errors" but won't disclose details. No direct link to Cnet coverage on May 13, 2003.
    http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/20030926_unsafe_harbors. php#_edn2

    Diebold intentionally files false takedown notice to silence (very well deserved) criticism of its shoddly voting machines:
    http://www.corante.com/importance/archives/001465. php

    Cult of Scientology attempts (yet again) to shut down xenu.net, which exposes embarrasing truths about their documents made public in a court case:
    http://www.peerfear.org/rss/permalink/2003/02/04/1 044497702-DMCA_Takedown_Notice_Scientology_and_Pac Bell.shtml

    Apparant con artist David Waathiq attempts to use DMCA threat to shut down critical website:
    http://mdwaathiq.worldwidewarning.net/DMCA.aspx

    .

    To be fair, many of these aren't the MPAA (though at least the 2nd one is)... but there is definately a pattern of abuse. These are just the ones I found in 5-10 minutes of searching. It's quite likely there are many more out there, and many that go utterly unreported.

  30. Taste of their own medicine by theonetruekeebler · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Gee whiz, this wouldn't be the same MPAA that's sued grandmothers and minors, is it? The same one that's said in Congressional hearings that there must be zero tolerance for abuse of the copyright laws, that convinced Congress to make copyright laws more perpetual and unbalanced year after year, hat claimed using a VCR is tantamount to serial rape?

    I would strongly encourage anyone who receives a wrongful takedown notice to use whatever legal means are at their disposal to punish the sender for wrongfully harassing them.

    Another post in this thread mentioned a fake warez generator tool. Perhaps the mass adoption of random filename generators would be a way of demonstrating that the MPAA is sending shotgun legal threats. To that end, I would encourage the creators of open source projects to adopt a named release policy. For example, Perl 6 could be called "Finding Nemo". Debian could rename their next distribution "Fight Club".

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  31. Well MPAA can just pay penalties by rfc1394 · · Score: 4, Informative
    U.S. Federal law specifies penalties for false or fraudulent takedown notices. Since these are sworn under penalty of perjury that the person who did so had a good-faith belief, this was obviously false and perjurous in nature.

    Since the MPAA thinks a $3,000 to $11,000 judgement is acceptable for someone accused of 'stealing' music, then I suppose a $3,000,000 to $11,000,000 judgement is acceptable for someone from MPAA accused of fraud and perjury. I figure MPAA is at least 1,000 times the size of the average file swapper.

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  32. Madness! by Is0m0rph · · Score: 3, Funny

    Cars that speed themselves up, MPAA sending out false accusations, fradulent voting machines, OS/X running on an Xbox... Madness!