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What VoIP Is Actually Good For

gManZboy writes "One of the things that's bothered me about VoIP is that other than so-so quality phone service at a cheap price, what's the big deal? I mean so you can now deliver voice mail into e-mail because it's all IP packets, does that mean I should ditch my telecom investment. Well in part 3 of Queue's special report on VoIP (here's part 1, part 2) two authors from Bell Labs help explain actually useful things you might do. Now I get it."

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  1. Useful outside the USA by openSoar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We've put a VoIP unit in our place in the Carribean and it allows guests who are mostly from the US, to make (effectively) free calls back home - something that would be very expensive using the regular telephone system.

  2. It's useless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Having since disconnected both my landline and my packet8 subscription, I've managed to save some $110.00 a month in bills by just getting a GSM phone with a nationwide plan, nights and weekends, etc.

    Advantages:
    • Phone service even when power/internet is out
    • being able to have a phone anywhere, at anytime I need it. This by itself is the biggest reason I went "2004" and joined the modern era.
    • ability to send short text messages anywhere, at ANY time, without having to be an uber geek


    Disadvantages
    • Having to deal with Customer Service idiots
    • contracts


    I believe that VoIP and any other "permanent" phone installation is going to pass and mobility will be more important to most people.
    1. Re:It's useless... by SunPin · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You obviously weren't in the path of any hurricanes this summer. I have a gsm phone and it, along with everybody else, was effectively dead within an hour of constant 120 mph winds. It remained useless for days afterwards. The cell phone network can't deal with disasters.

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  3. Skype by SpooForBrains · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I installed Skype the other day (it's apparently developed by the people who originally developed Kazaa, using "peer to peer" technology, however that works). Anyway, it installed without fuss and works from behind a firewall without me having to open ports. I haven't tried skypeout yet, only skype to skype, but hey, I'm chatting to my friends in the states for free, and the quality is much better than a long distance phone call. Thusfar, I'm impressed.

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  4. We're doing it by johnnyb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We're doing it for cost and flexibility:

    1) No telephones == more desk space

    2) No telephones == less money wasted on telephone maintenance

    3) No telephones == less money wasted on phone line maintenance (only run one network instead of two)

    4) IP == If you log in to VPN you can get calls transferred to you at home

    5) VoIP == cheap long distance

    6) Other features -- automatic call recording, easy ability to script call-ins, etc.

    7) PBX Box ---- WAAAAAY cheap ($1,500 for a build-it-yourself asterisk solution vs $10,000+ for a traditional PBX solution)

  5. Its great... by rpdillon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I am a Vonage customer and use it as my primary line. Not only can you get voice mails delivered to email (great when travelling), but you can, for an additional $4.99/month get a line that is local to someone that calls you a lot, so they can make toll-free (local) calls, even if you're in New York and they are in California.

    The feature I like best is that, free of charge, I have my cell phone ring anytime my home phone rings. That way, when I'm away, I still get all my home calls, and don't have to give out my cell number to everyone. This feature can be used for simultaneous ringing on any other number, or it can forward it to another number after a certain number of seconds without answer on the first line. You can turn the feature on/off and the change takes effect almost immediately.

    Most of all, all the extras that you pay for with normal phone are automatically included in the Vonage plan. I pay $25 a month for all my phone needs (that are non-cell), and that's a lot better than my old SBC/MCI pairing I used to use.

    I don't really notice bad voice quality, but I took a lot of time to set up my Vonage box *behind* my firewall, but then forwards all the ports necessary to have it manage the connection properly for voice-quality. For a more no-brainer setup, just route your connection to the Vonage box first, then to your router.

  6. Re:VoIP was dropped at Barry University by gdbjr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When VoIP is deployed on a network that is properly configured with QoS and you have adequate bandwidth, voice quality is not an issue. When it is done right you can get voice, video and data all on the same circuit without any loss of quality. I manage 6500+ IP phones in locations in a half-dozen states and everything work just fine. It all comes down to making sure you have the bandwidth and QoS, which is something that would won't find on your average home cable or DSL connection.

  7. How long will high phone pricing last? by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Interesting
    There is no real reason why international dial-up calls have to be expensive and VoIP ones cheap. Once dial-up calls hit the first exchange (in most places) they turn into digital soup anyway. Having dedicated switching that is suited to dial up (isochorous etc) means you can stuff more dial up calls through a given wire than IP calls (which must carry all the extra IP crap). Extra capacity in those wires can be used to shift IP traffic.

    The days of high cost international calls are limited. Here in New Zealand I can use my Vodafone mobile to call various countries (Australia, Canada, US, UK, Ireland) at the same rate as a local call.

    So far, VoIP's main attraction has been lower cost calls. THis won't last and VoIP will have to find a better way to justify its existence.

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  8. Re:VOIP Dosent still qualify the requirements in T by rsrsharma · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I had the same exact problem with VoIP, except I also didn't like the fact that 911 calls didn't go to the 911 center. However, I've figured out how to get around these problems:

    1. Keep a regular landline on your current phone number, just with $0/month (no free minutes or low rates) local + long distance plan on it.
    2. Build a box with Asterisk (the OSS PBX) on it, as well as 2 FXO cards and 1 FXS card.
    3. Connect the phone line from the VoIP ATA to the first FXO card.
    4. Connect the PSTN line to the second FXO card.
    5. Configure Asterisk to use the PSTN line for incoming calls, and the VoIP line for outgoing calls. (You'll probably want your VoIP company to forward all calls to the PSTN line, I know that Vonage does this for free.)
    6. Connect another ATA (you'll have to buy it yourself) to the FXS card.
    7. Get a double-pole-double-throw relay. This basically connects one line through when there is power, and another when there isn't. Let the line from the Asterisk server go through when there is power, and the unmodified PSTN line go through when there isn't.
    8. Configure Asterisk to only use the PSTN line for 911 calls.
    9. Connect the line from the DPDT relay to the phone lines in your house/buisniness.

    So yeah, that should cover it. If you want more info, chech the Asterisk-Users list under the topic "Vonage, PSTN, 911, and hardware question". I'm planning building a system with this setup later this year.

  9. Packet8 by mrudel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have Packet8 VOIP at home, and I love it. I have a 6 down/768k up Speakeasy connection and I've had no problems.. no outages, great call quality (Linksys WRT54GS running Sveasoft firmware), and I can take the box with me when I travel... VOIP is great, as far as I'm concerned, landline-quality phone (or better) for $20/month...

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  10. More on Vonage by sjbe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Supporting (generally) the parent post, Vonage is pretty good. I've been using them for my main work line for about 2 months now. Quality of service is excellent and the voice sounds quite good (think high quality cell phone) most of the time. You get a ton of great features for not too much cash. I love getting my voice mail as an .WAV file in an email, and it is really easy to foward calls wherever you need them.

    The only time I have a problem with a connection is if I'm downloading, or worse uploading (dsl) something big at the same time which is entirely expected. (only so much bandwidth after all) My only recurring problem is that the Motorola unit they gave me tends to drop my PPPoE connection about once a day. Not quite sure why and there aren't a lot of settings to tinker with. I don't have that problem very often with my Linksys WRT54G and I'm pretty sure it's not the DSL provider (SBC in this case) causing the problem.

    Anyway if you are thinking of Vonage I can readily recommend them if you can tolerate the occasional (and easily fixed) downtime. If phone availability is mission critical to you or you aren't especially technologically inclined, you might look for a more traditional alternative. But overall it's a great service, especially for home or home office use.

  11. Re:VoIP isn't so easy... by austad · · Score: 4, Interesting

    SIP does not always work well through NAT, even though there are some implementations that are NAT friendly. Also, some ISP's that offer their own VOIP service will block your access to competitors. ATTBI did it to me, I was even on the phone with the tech when he found the access list in a router that was blocking my access to Vonage.

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  12. Re:More mythology from VoIP propagandists -- NOT! by anon+mouse-cow-aard · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Spoken like a true bellhead, You are missing the point. VoIPs network is free (as in freedom) IP based, as in dirt cheap, if I pee it will land on an equipment vendor. Not stuck on a few media. Ever run SS-7 over cable-TV networks? How about a metropolitain gigabit ethernet lan? Youre going to say SONET, well gee, that only costs 10x of a gigabit ethernet... where can I get SONET termination? can I run packets on that? oh.. need to encapsulate it in IP... hmm... why?

    How much is that PBX in the window? ok, so Id like an SS-7 switching network, and I aint a phone company, oh? cant have one? have to run my own wires? hmm...

    Separating control from data only makes sense if the network is smart. Smart networks only make sense if the manager of the network is your friend. Usually, that is not the case for anyone except the phone company. The whole point of IP is to make the intermediate network a non-issue. make it stupid so that there isnt any value there, and it can be replaced by any number of technologies or providers. That is always going to be cheaper for end users, but not the phone company.

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