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Sony PSP/Nintendo DS Opinion Piece

Mr Nash writes "The Armchair Empire has posted a lengthy op-ed about Sony's PSP and Nintendo's Dual Screen where the writer comes to the conclusion that "the market just doesn't appear to be ready for a pair of new handhelds to step onto the scene."

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  1. Good article, but... by Zangief · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Old news for the fans who have been tracking down those devices for a long time.

    (I would like an explanation about how a brilliant Super Mario 64 port is a bad thing.)

    When sony will spill the beans about the psp price? Battery life was already kicked into the developers yard, so I expect that most games will have small load times before gameplay (2-10 seconds) so they can put on the game box "Expected battery life: 3 hours".

    Interesting times.

    1. Re:Good article, but... by Zapman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree about the old news bit. I also think the author is being quite harsh on Nintendo. Every one has been scoffing at their GBA->GameCube linking as just a profit scheme. It is a profit scheme, but there are some huge advantages to it for the gamer as well... just take a look at FF:Chrystal Chronicals.

      The point of this is that Nintendo had the guts to do something different, and allowed people (like Square) to be creative. The DS with it's dual screen and stylus will be the same. It's a change of paradigm... it allows new controls, and new interfaces.

      If you want something cool, take a look at the Metroid game for the DS. It's a true FPS for a hand held. And since the DS does wireless, you just have to walk up to someone else with a DS, and you can play head to head (up to 4 player IIRC). No wires, no funky cables, just play.

      Who knows what new ideas will come out of it?

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  2. The article is right! by koi88 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's like the iPod. The iPod is doomed.
    People are just not ready to spend hundreds of dollars for a portable music player when they can just as well listen to the music at home.
    Or they use their MD-Player or Discman the bought just a few years ago.

    Nobody will buy another music player.

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    1. Re:The article is right! by CaseM · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, it's more akin to asking people to buy the 60 gig iPod model (i.e. the DS or PSP) when they're already happy with their perfectly working 20 gig model (the GBA).

  3. Market not ready? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wouldn't be so sure that the market isn't ready for new portable gaming devices. The "desktop" console market has been operating on a much faster cycle than the handheld market. Handhelds are traditionally cheaper and have more of a tradition of backwards compatibility, so there's no reason why consumers can't be persuaded to buy a new one every couple of years. The gameboy was supreme for years, Nintendo almost certainly hoped that the GBA could manage a similar feat. After all, they hadn't had an even vaguely serious challenge to their monopoly in this market since the Game Gear, over a decade ago, and even that was seen off quite easily.

    However, all that has changed. The N-Gage was a flop in terms of sales, games and design, but it did drive up technical expectations of consoles. Once Sony started sniffing around the market, Nintendo didn't really have much choice but to offer a new device. So far, we've mostly been hearing the Nintendo fanboys ranting about how the DS will see off the PSP and Nintendo will remain supreme. In the very short term future, this might be true.

    However...

    Sony (and even Nokia) have deeper pockets than Nintendo. If they want to make a serious assault on the market, they can afford to do so over a period of several years. They can afford to research, develop and release a new product every couple of years. Indeed, Nokia have already announced their intention to continue to refine and enhance the N-Gage. If Nintendo don't want to be seen to be left behind in the eyes of the average consumer, they have to try and keep up. Their old strategy of putting out a winner and then milking it for years and years just won't work. This, I'm sure, is how Sony are hoping to take over the market from Nintendo. On the basis of what happened in the "desktop" console market, I think they'll eventually succeed.

    1. Re:Market not ready? by dogbowl · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think you underestimate how deep Nintendo's pockets are.
      and how thin Sony's profits have been.

      Haven't had a challenge in the handheld market since the game gear? I can name five off the top of my head, all from large well established companies.

      My guess is that you're posting somewhere from Europe, where Nintendo doesn't have a strong presence. Crack open their financials, take a look at the world market. These guys are not hurting in any way, shape, or form.

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  4. DS PSP DOA? by slumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The article had very little positive things to say about either side, it's almost as if the author worked on the N-Gage and was bitter...

    Nintendo has said they want the DS to be a third pillar in gaming, with GCube and GBA as the other two. And the holy trinity series makes sense, or at least helps to explain they're not trying to do away with the GBA.

    The PSP on the other hand has been pushed back a year....11/05 so Sony can work on the battery life. Perhaps the market will be ready then.

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    1. Re:DS PSP DOA? by n0wak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > I think there's still room in the market for a third pillar of a game system.

      There already is a "third pillar of gaming" blossoming: mobile gaming. Especially in Asia. It's not as big here, as our phones are years behind, but it is getting huge in Japan and growing in Europe and all the major game developers are jumping on board (like Square-Enix, and EA).

  5. Portable audio comparisons are pointless by fr0dicus · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Just because it's an electronic gadget that fits in your pocket does not mean that comparison is in any way valid. The whole point with the success of portable audio is that you can use it while doing something else. It's worth the effort because you can use it when you want.

    Video gadgets require attention, and the price of low battery life or just plain high price leads to failure to adopt or abandonment. The Gameboy established itself because it had excellent battery life and a low price. I can't see these doing much of either.

  6. Analysis seems flaky by Canthros · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Despite the hue and cry from certain parties, the U. S. economy is in pretty fair shape and still getting better. It's not dotcom-bubble level, but it's not bad. It was worse when the SP was released.

    That said, I think his criticisms of both systems are pretty well on the mark, but I'm still confident that the DS will perform sufficiently to stick around. It has a large and growing library of games stretching back to the original GameBoy, in addition to the titles planned for exclusively for it. Remakes can be a bit of a drag, but remakes of good games are still good games, and many of today's gamers did not grow up with an NES. If Square decides to release their FFIII remake stateside finally, it will be a brand-new game, practically speaking, for the U. S. market.

    What looks, to me, like a more interesting parallel is between the original GameBoy and the Lynx, TurboGrafx, Game Gear, and other portable consoles of the early to mid nineties. The GameBoy has consistently beaten its competitors by being good enough for a lower price. Despite all the other feaures of the PSP, I suspect that's what will happen here, too.

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    1. Re:Analysis seems flaky by Westacular · · Score: 4, Informative

      It has a large and growing library of games stretching back to the original GameBoy

      No, it doesn't; The DS is backwards compatible with only GBA games, not older GB or GBC. Furthermore, its compatibility with GBA games is limited to single-player and does not support any form of linking with non-DS games.

  7. Lowering the bar for slashdotters everywhere by ribond · · Score: 4, Interesting
    How did this random website make news offering a one-trick-pony review of this hardware? It's crap. Here's why.

    To hit the high points, lets start with his conclusion.

    At this point, the market just doesn't appear to be ready for a pair of new handhelds to step onto the scene.
    The latest Nintendo handheld platform (the Gameboy Advance) launched in 2000 (the SP is just prettier, not more functional -- it's the same device). Clinton was President, some parts of the world still liked Americans... and we were typing away on piii 600s, with 64mb of ram. In what way are we not ready to move on? Of course we're ready for a new platform, and maybe even a new idea or two (it's about damn time I had a real FPS in my pocket, and fragged others wirelessly). I'm a married man with a kid, I don't have too much cash to spare... but I have a GBA, a GBA SP and I'll get myself a Nintendo DS when it comes out (I'd consider the Sony, but it is beyond my price range).

    That's the big picture. Some smaller points:
    Sony:
    -he's only got 2 complaints about the PSP:
    One: Battery life: Yes. But batteries get better and for all we know they'll offer a fuel-cell pack for this thing in a years time. I give Sony props for putting out the polygons.
    Two: Price: He's got a point, it's expensive. But people by iPods and I think they're crazy.

    Nintendo:
    -His arguments against the DS make even less sense.
    One: "remakes aren't innovative". New software reshaped to take advantage of a new platform using new features... the only thing that's still around is the Mario face on the box.
    Two: The GBA is out there and it's cheap. F3@r this? Really? You have a gi-mungous installed base with compatible games and you're offering updates for those legacy titles when used on the new H/W (pokemon gba titles can d/l updates at the new movie, in the DS)... this is market leverage, not a liability.

    I guess this guy gets recognized for maintaining his luddite-ish "I-hate-new-things" tone for the entire article, but this just means he's taken a stand, not that he's thought it through.