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U.S. Declares War on Intellectual Property Theft

bblazer writes "Reuters is running a story about a new US effort to stop intellectual property theft. From the article "The U.S. Justice Department on Tuesday outlined what it called its most sweeping crackdown on bootleg DVDs, fake designer goods, illegal music downloads and counterfeit drugs." It also goes on to say that media (movies and music) is highly affected, but so are products like batteries, baby food and Viagra."

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  1. And legality? by metlin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    RIAA estimates that $2.6 billion worth of revenues are lost and the like through file-sharing - so what are they going to do about it?

    Sue a kid in China or India for it? Unlikely, I think.

    1. Re:And legality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      $100 a download?

      DVDs are generally $15. That'd put the number at $39 Billion.

      But, note further: songs, movies and software programs

      Songs are the number one traded file, and each one of them is, what, 99 cents, according to the RIAA?

    2. Re:And legality? by Dillusionary · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You are exactly right. This has nothing to do with the benefit of others; this has everything to do with control and jobs for all the other dumbasses that can't get a job some where else. Why is it 67% of the prison population are drug related? Obviously this shit isn't working. Most likely someone up high got a hand out and no doing what the hand out required. Doesn't it seem more and more we are, we as in the US, are just as corrupt as IRAQ/N. Korea, except the fact that we have this illusion of freedom?

    3. Re:And legality? by hitmark · · Score: 2, Interesting

      sorry, wrong contry for that. religion dont allow anything other then black and white...

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    4. Re:And legality? by RoLi · · Score: 2, Interesting
      $100 a download?

      songs, movies and software programs

      They just look at Maya, etc. and "assume" those are downloaded my every P2P-user and multiply the result with their earlier assumptions.

    5. Re:And legality? by Kombat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      the problems prohibition creates are often worst than any problems that the drugs create. The US gave up on alcohol prohibition for this reason.

      I was hoping someone would bring up that point. :) The flaw in your reasoning is that it assumes that none of the drugs currently under prohibition are worse than alcohol. This is simply not true. If you've ever met a real cocaine or heroin addict (there is no such thing as a casual cocaine/heroin "user", only "addicts"), you'd see that it is not the same thing as alcohol at all. It takes over your life. It creates a dysfunctional circumstance in which the person quickly loses the ability to carry on a normal life, hold a steady job, and maintain a loving relationship with family.

      Please don't give me anything about marijuana. I'm in favour of legalizing, controlling, and taxing marijuana. I'm talking strictly about the harder drugs here. There are some drugs that should remain illegal, and vigorously fought, no matter what. Cocaine, heroin, PCP, and crystal meth are examples.

      People addicted to hard drugs rapidly spiral into a dysfuncional obsession. If authorities can intervene early enough and get the person into treatment, their lives can literally be saved (not to mention the lives of their potential future victims, as their need to finance their next hit becomes worse and worse). If you truly believe that crack cocaine and heroin should be legalized, then you clearly have never experienced how damaging and controlling those drugs are.

      People can smoke cigarettes and still lead normal lives. People can have the occassional drink of alcohol and it doesn't ruin their lives (with a minute fraction of exceptions). People cannot casually use heroin and still function normally. It's just plain not in the same league as alcohol and tobacco.

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    6. Re:And legality? by flyneye · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And what about the RIAA and MPAA? The RIAA has been bilking artists out of intellectual property for years!The MPAA has been stealing each others ideas and recycling them into nearly uniformly unwatchable hollywood horseshit for years!
      Nuke em both!

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    7. Re:And legality? by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      f you've ever met a real cocaine or heroin addict (there is no such thing as a casual cocaine/heroin "user", only "addicts"), you'd see that it is not the same thing as alcohol at all. It takes over your life.

      What you're talking about here is people who are addicted to the substance. This doesn't apply at all to casual users. Now, just because you personally haven't met a casual user, doesn't mean there aren't any. I can personally think of a half dozen people who have all casually used these drugs and are not addicts. There will always be a group of people who can't handle this stuff, and become addicts, but most of them are quite OK as long as you aren't a complete *tard. Most of these substances aren't anywhere near as addictive as the anti-drug people would have you believe.

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    8. Re:And legality? by vorpal22 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, for the 40 years of my life, the U.S. has been the safest, most secure, most prosperous place to live, and it could not have been that way without the US Government.

      I recently returned to Canada after having lived for four months in the US (Washington, DC), and I can say that my impressions were dramatically different from yours.

      Safety and security, in my mind, don't equate to seeing cops standing on major intersections with assault rifles because of possible terrorism threats. In light of the PATRIOT act, I certainly didn't feel safe and secure while having telephone conversations about possibly controversial issues with my Canadian friends.

      Prosperity, in my mind, doesn't equate with the vast level of absolute poverty that I witnessed during my time in DC. I consider myself to be poor, being a graduate student with a modest scholarship. However, living on the edge of the projects, I saw that I was quite well off compared to many of the people that I passed and talked with on a daily basis. I couldn't believe how little money some of these people were trying to raise a family on. It was shocking and I have no clue how they managed to make ends meet.

      Freedom isn't represented by a government who is there to support corporations instead of the people. It's quite clear that the people have spoken: they will download mp3s and they will consume drugs (was it 25% of people who had done drugs? - it's ludicrous to believe that 25% of people belong in prison). The government is here to represent us, and it's time for organizations rife with corruption like the MPAA, the RIAA, and the pharmaceutical industry to take a hit and change their policies or be rendered obsolete.

      Incidentally, the US still has the HIGHEST incidence of drug consumption in the world. Other countries don't have nearly the war on drugs that the US has. What are you guys doing wrong? And while there might be a current trend away from hard drugs, there are definitely movements towards softer drugs like the phenethylamines, tryptamines, and marijuana. It's all a matter of what's in vogue these days. The focus will shift again eventually.

    9. Re:And legality? by Peig · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's my friend is really ridiculous. I have heard this from many people who ar from the US. If you don'y like it just leave.
      This is exactly the attitude that polarises the people to two totally different sides.!
      What ever happened to opinion and debate for christ sakes.?
      I always find the american attitude of FREE SPEECH is sacred but as soon as anyone steps in with an onion or dissenting viewpoint it alway "go back to where you came from"
      Sad really.

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    10. Re:And legality? by Pxtl · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hahah, did you not pay attention to the news? There were 10 million votes counted. That does not mean 10 million voters when you've a country with a slap-dashed voting infrastructure. The situation was so messy that Karzai was actually endorsing people to vote as many times as they wanted, rather than risk losing the multiple-voters' support. Voter registration slips were on the black market.

    11. Re:And legality? by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Interesting
      That is the stupidest post I've ever read by a person who claims to understand the drug war.

      Drugs ARE allowed to flow freely. There is no person in the US who couldn't purchase some illegal drug within the next 24 hours, except people who live in Alaska and couldn't get to town in that time. And I'm including people in prisons and children. Anyone can purchase any drug given a week lead time.

      We already are the next person a drug addict sees after shivering in his apartment. He then mugs us. The question is: Would you rather him be trying to afford something that costs 30 dollars a day, or something that costs 30 dollars a year? Because, logically, he's going to do a hell of a lot less muggings for the later. In fact, he might even be able to afford his rent on his current salary.

      Wait, I forgot, in your universe, addict=person who only wants the drug, instead of the correct defination, a person who needs the drug to function normally. As long as addicts get the drugs, they can be and historically have been perfectly functioning members of society. (They actually tend to function a lot better than, say, alcohol addicts.) It's when you make what they need illegal that they start acting crazy.

      And this '10%'; figre you just pulled out of your ass. Why the hell would people sell their cars to afford drugs, when drugs are now cheap due to legalization. That makes absolutely no sense at all. Do people sell their cars to pay for their caffeine addiction?

      And, you're also wrong in your last statement. While addiciton is, in general, bad, some addictions aren't health problems, even of hard drugs. Heroin addiction, for example, is less of a health concern than caffeine addiction.

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    12. Re:And legality? by Kombat · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Did you leart nothing from prohibition? The crimes you associate with drugs are not caused by drugs, any more than organized crime in the 20's was caused by alcohol.

      Alcohol is legal, and is still the cause of a very large amount of crime. Drunk driving, assault, domestic violence, the list goes on. Drunk people are a huge hassle for police. Ask any cop, they'll tell you that crime drops off dramatically in the winter, and on rainy days, because fewer people go out drinking during those times.

      If your local police department has a "ride-along" program, I strongly encourage you to participate. I've gone on two (only because my district limits participation to once-per-two-year-period, due to high demand), and it is very eye-opening. You really see what cops spend their time doing. Wanna know? Here it is, in no particular order:

      • False alarms, both home and business.
      • Cleaning up auto accidents and doing paperwork. At night on weekends, you can almost guarantee that at least one party in the accident will be charged with DUI.
      • Responding to fights where 90% of the time, at least one participant is drunk.


      That, right there, is 90% of a cop's job. So don't try to tell me that society is happy-go-lucky because alcohol is legal.

      As for the "coke wouldn't cost so much if it were legal" argument, I call BS. Alcohol and tobacco are cheap to produce, but are taxed as much as they can, without allowing the underground bootleg market to thrive.
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    13. Re:And legality? by vorpal22 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It was quite entertaining how you extrapolated so many things from my post that I never said, nor even believe.

      I'm not saying that heroin is not addictive. Where did I make such a claim? Opiates can be quite addictive, and heroin is one of the most addictive drugs in this category. However, historically speaking, it is factual that in China, opium (raw opium being a mixture of opiates, primarily morphine but with significant quantities of codeine and thebaine) use paralleled the alcohol use of Great Britian. There was actually a British government study done way back that expected vastly different results, but came to this conclusion.

      And *grins*... I assure you that I've never sold a single drug in my life. However, I can tell you that I've used both alcohol and opiates / opioids (morphine, meperidine, codeine, oxycodone) extensively in the past, and while I never got addicted to opiates / opioids and prefer them to alcohol, I have had problems with alcohol addiction.

      I really don't understand where you get your figures in your "Let me put it plain and simple for you" paragraph. It strikes me that you made those up, but I may be wrong. I, personally, know no heroin users, but a friend of mine knows many, and the majority of them use very infrequently, and not intravenously (this would be akin to, say, funneling huge quantities of alcohol). Because of the illegality of heroin, you're unlikely to be aware of such responsible use - these people, because of the stigma attached to heroin use, are likely to keep a low profile and you'll likely never know it if you meet one of them.

      Personally, I wouldn't touch the stuff, but I support everyone's right to make that decision for themselves. And I completely fail to see how I mentioned that it's okay to get addicted to heroin; I never said anything remotely resembling that. May I kindly suggest you read my posts more carefully in the future instead of blindly jumping to conclusions? I simply pointed out that many people in the past have lived their lives with roaring opiate / opioid addictions (largely laudanum, which, IIRC, is alcohol and opium or morphine) and functioned well. There are also alcoholics who function well; however, there are many more long term, dangerous, and irreversible consequences to alcohol abuse than there are to opiate abuse.

    14. Re:And legality? by EllisDees · · Score: 4, Interesting

      >Wow, someone is actually arguing that heroin is not addictive to most users? Geez, never though I'd see the day.

      It's not. The vast majority of people who try heroin never become addicted. If you think that it is, provide some evidence to back it up.

      http://www.users.on.net/~rmc/drugs.htm

      "Research made unwillingly by the U.S. Army on its Vietnam War veterans showed that nearly half used heroin (95% pure), 7% of those stayed on it on return to the U.S.A. with only 1% of these being addicted. The research was forced on the U.S. Army because many soldiers claimed disability pensions on the grounds that heroin addiction is permanent and disqualifies the user from any sort of productive life. Originally the heroin was smoked until Authority clamped down and it became more cost-effective to inject.

      The addiction rate for social ALCOHOL drinkers is 10% with another 5% "at risk". ("Addiction" is when stopping taking the drug leads to withdrawal symptoms not present before taking it. e.g. alcohol "Dependence" is when cessation means just returning to the previous status quo e.g. insulin.)"

      >Let me put it plain and simple for you: if you try heroin once, you probably have a 75% chance of trying it a second time...

      Honestly, are you getting your facts from a DARE bumper sticker, or what?

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    15. Re:And legality? by dcam · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The US Government faces stiff competition from Israel, Britain, Russia and France.

      I'd agree with the other two, but I think you have made a mistake on Britian and France. I can't think of anything WRT to Britian, and for France the only things that come to mind are Algeria and Indo-China (later Vietnam and Cambodia). This doesn't quite compare to Russia, Isreal and the US.

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  2. Re:It Will Never Work, And Here's Why by syberanarchy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Something I didn't think of before, but really illustrates my point:

    These "IP" laws have really become like the speed laws. Your driver instructor tells you that yes, you can get fined, etc. for going 5 over the speed limit, or for putting the hood of your car over the white stop bar at traffic lights. But in reality, how much does this happen? (and spare me your "I live in a hick town where the one cop in town has a vendetta against my family so yes it happens" tales.)

    Likewise, who ever gets sued for downloading a single mp3? How long will it take them to sue everyone? How long will it take them to sue enough folks to make anyone care? Will anyone care? The way I see it, I have about 8000 songs on my PC. Assuming I were a dirty pirate, and assuming they were all illegally aquired, if the RIAA came after me and demanded a 5000 dolalr settlement, I'd actually view myself as getting a pretty cheap deal, as opposed as to if I had gone through iTunes, etc.

    They can't slap casual swappers with the "max fines" they advertise (250k per work,) because it would cause outrage. They're damned if they do, damned if they don't. I don't envy the RIAA at this point!

  3. Re:The rich will get even richer by salvorHardin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They do understand this, but they also understand that in affluent societies, prices of luxury goods (such as CDs and DVDs) have a fair amount of elasticity, and thus, can be kept higher, netting them even *more* money. That is what they realise.
    Government won't do too much to stop them, as higher revenues look better for the economy in general, and help keep the nation's growth looking healthy, which in turn prevents it from being eclipsed by other rising powers, and subsequently outgunned.
    This is what happened to Great Britain, already in relative economic decline before the First World War. The government's method of preventing a similar fate befalling the US is to do pretty much anything it can to keep the economy ticking over, even at the expense of civil liberties and public opinion.
    Not meaning to troll or bait flame here, but there's a lot of these type of news stories around, and I think this is my take on it.

  4. Re:products like batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I've also seen "Enercell" batteries, another Duracell knock-off, and a calculator I once bought for exams (wasn't allowed my usual programmable one) came loaded with a SQNY battery.

    I can't see these misleading people. In fact, a study carried out in supermarkets a while back showed they don't. They asked shoppers whether they had intended to buy the brand, or supermarket label (which often had similar packaging). There was no significant difference in mistakes between products with similar packaging and products with quite different packaging. If you really do believe a market stall has 20 Duracells for a quid, there's something wrong with you.

    Also, some manufacturers produce their own cheap knock-offs. Panasonic, for example, produce three ranges of batteries (check star rating on the package). This has caught me out - I trusted Panasonic's name, and the shop (hardware) had a "Discount Battery Centre" sign, so I thought I had a bargain. Duracells would be 2 or 3 times as much, but probablary last 10 times longer in my GBA. As a result, I won't buy Panasonic batteries again, even the high-end ones.

  5. IP by Oakey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    On the subject of IP, I found this rather amusing;

    Disney may be sued

    I submitted it to Slashdot yesterday but it was rejected, which is unfortunate. I hope it's only because someone else submitted first.

    It's ironic Disney should face being sued over the copyrights to Peter Pan. They claim that it's out of copyright in the US but Great Ormond Street hospital say it would have expired in 2007 but now expires in 2023 thanks to the Extended Copyright Act.... something Disney keeps pushing for.

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  6. So stop making them rich, the legal way. by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2, Interesting
    they want to extract the last drop of milk from us.
    They are welcome to, as long as there's no underhanded tactics going on. In turn, you are free to deny them their wealth by not buying their products. But piracy, or whatever you want to call it, is wrong.

    I don't see anything intrinsically wrong with a 'war on IP theft'. However, as usual, there's the question of:
    - priorities... is this really the thing that law enforcement agencies should be focussing on?
    - rights: are they just applying a little extra zeal to find IP thieves, or will they mess with our laws and rights as well? Will this mean that recording a movie in a theater is now on a par with armed robbery, as far as sentences are concerned?
    - tactics: is this a drive to crack down on the real high-volume pirates, or can we expect more billion-dollar lawsuits against grannies and teenagers, ruining their lives over a few downloaded copies of Britney in order to scare the rest of us into being good little consumers?

    Usually, when the US declares war on anything, there is cause for John Q Public to worry...
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  7. Re:War against $FOO by RoLi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Exactly, I think for the US, the war has become an end and is no longer a means.

  8. The new drug war? by Anita+Coney · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There is a Burger King/AOL advertisement about kids getting pulled over by a cop. They were essentially asked if the music they were listening to was stolen.

    Will this be our future? Will an MP3 player in a car give probable cause to search for more stolen goods?!

    I've always thought the real intent of drug laws were to give the government the ability to arrest anyone for any reason at any time. That's because there is no victim to testify against the person, only the cop who says he saw the person with drugs. And because it allegedly happens directly in front of the cop, the government doesn't have to worry about the person coming up with any alibi defense.

    I think that copyright enforcement will become the new "victimless" crime of choice.

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    1. Re:The new drug war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You're forgeting one thing. Never underestimate the racism of "the man".
      When drugs were banned, it was not just a way to arrest anyone at anytime, it was really a way to arrest any black or Mexican at any time. Remember, when drugs were made illegal they were not popular amoung whites (except alcohol, which was shortly re-legalized - wonder why?). Marijuana, heroin, cocaine - these were popular with blacks and Mexicans. Of coarse all that changed in the 60s, but that's the history.
      File sharing is pretty popular with whites. I havn't seen any studies, but I would wager that a high percentage of U.S. file-sharers are white (based on the inference that whites are better of financially, therefore are more likely to own computers, and therefore are more likely to swap copyrighted material using said computers). They're not really going to start locking up little Billy and Janey for downloading the latest Nelly track (of coarse lawsuits are another matter entirely).
      Not that I am in any way trying to rationalize their declaration of yet another vague war on a concept. This is bad, but we've got a little ways to go before the Thought Police drag us down to Room 101.

  9. Re:It Will Never Work, And Here's Why by Vicsun · · Score: 5, Interesting

    60 million people are a lot of people, but as many large numbers it's hard to conceptualize. To put it in contrast, in 2000 George 'Dubya' Bush got 50,456,002 votes (source: Wikipedia ). Does that mean there are more criminals walking the streets than people who voted for the president?
    When there are so many people breaking a law, isn't it time to revise the law, rather than futilely try to enforce it?

  10. Just stop consuming their product! by Trolling4Columbine · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does it really matter what their numbers are? We know it's all bullshit, but nobody seems interested in putting the RIAA in their place.

    Ya see, downloading copyrighted music to rail against The Man(tm) only gives them ammunition in congress? Don't we get it?

    If we really want to see the RIAA crumble, STOP buying their music, STOP downloading it, STOP listening to it on the radio. Make it clear to the RIAA that thier actions have alienated us and we no longer want their product.

    Of course, if this is really about getting Shit For Free, then I guess the RIAA is right after all.

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  11. But downloading is not illegal by Theseus192 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In spite of what the MPAA/RIAA want you to believe, downloading copyrighted material is not illegal (yet). Uploading copyrighted material is illegal. U.S. copyright law prohibits unauthorized distribution, not unauthorized use, of copyrighted material.

    They can "declare war" all they want but unless and until the law changes, it is legal to download whatever you want (except: child porn) as long as you don't share it. This requires checking a box on your P2P client's "preferences" screen, or switching to using binary newsgroups instead of P2P.

    In this as in many other cases, legality != morality. The (MP | RI)AA at least have an argument (albeit a distorted one) when they claim downloading takes food out of the mouths of poor struggling artists, but when they call downloading "illegal" they are just plain lying.

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  12. Misplaced priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
    What's happening at the Federal level is also happening on the state and local levels. Enforce the laws against:

    the most egregious crimes like murder and rape

    the simplest crimes in which to gain a conviction and make the court a little money off of fees like drug possession.

    Over the summer my new car was hit (hard, like >$1k in damages) while parked a public parking lot. A video camera caught the other driver hitting my car, getting out of his, inspecting the damage on both cars and then driving off. A witness ask him to stay for the police but the guy left. In MA if there's >$500 damage you're required to call the police.

    I find my car spread out over a 50 foot area and a note from the witness explaining what happened. I call the cops (City of Worcester) and they refuse to do anything. No charges and they tell me to forget about the hit 'n run issue. I go the Magistrate with video, stills and two statements. one from the witness and one from the parking lot attendant noting the damage to the other guy's car. They refused to press charges. They said it was unclear if the other driver knew he hit my car. The video showed the other guy picking his taillight out of my front bumper!

    Moral of the story: fuck the police. They're totally useless. They'd rather bust a person for less than a gram of pot then do some real work. Time to revamp every police dept in the US and require civilian review boards.

    Mick said it best: "Every cop is a criminal"

  13. Re:How about the Artists' rights to contract? by aborchers · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I suspect that you have no idea how hard it is for an independent artist to make a living without the help of the record industry in today's market.


    And your suspicion is wrong. I worked in the indie music biz for years, and one of my reasons for getting "out of it" is the bullshit state of advertising and distribution and the hammerlock the labels have on it.

    I quote "out of it", because I still consider myself a musician and a creator. I just am not ardently pursuing a career (the elusive "success") in that enterprise. I have a satisfying job in another field (one with a significantly lower parasite-to-host ratio) and I can comfortably create to suit myself. The ultimate in artistic freedom...

    Lack of compassion? Maybe so, but you can bet I have a boatload more compassion for struggling artists than any A&R rep...

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  14. Stop this sort of thing. Call your Senator today. by thisissilly · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This is bad. This a prelude to the RIAA and the MPAA no longer having to pay lawyers to sue their customers, instead getting the US Taxpayers foot the bill and the DOJ to be the 'bad guys'. The DOJ gets to claim to be "tough on crime" and call for more money for more agents.

    Are you aware of the so-called "CREATE" and "PIRATE" acts currently in the Senate? They create "a civil enforcement authority" in the DOJ. This is very very scary. Tell Your Senator to Oppose H.R. 4077 and H.R. 2391. Seriously.

  15. Imitations Vs fakes by phorm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There are "imitations," and then there are fakes. Many imitations are legal and look like the more expensive competition, but don't claim to be the same: sunglasses, jeans, cologne, etc. Dynacell batteries, etc

    Then there are fakes, products that are make to look like the real thing, and labelled as the real thing, but are often vastly inferior quality. In many cases they are also dangerous: there have been reports of some powered products being subject to shock/fire, and even things such as children's teddy-bears which have been found stuffed with rubber bands and a bandage.

    Oh, and FYI I'm Canadian, but we get the same crap sneaking in at the docks. The government here isn't declaring a "war" on the fakes, but has been paying closer attention to them.

    Now, the illegitimate copy/rip of an anime movie that you can ordered off eBay is also under fire because many consumers think they're getting the real thing. In fact, the packages look real, the disks are realistic (I know people who come back from China with bootlegs that look very authentic, complete with DVD movies etc), but sometimes they turn out to be cheap VCD's or DVD's that don't play well in all machines.

    Prescription drugs, well we can see where this can go bad. Not only the viagara that doesn't work, but perhaps when somebody depends on a medication and finds that it's only sugar pills (or the wrong medications).

    My primary fear here, however, is that they aren't really going to crack down so much on the physical fakes, but just focus more on the movies/music filesharing, and put more legislation in place to block drugs order from places like Canada (which may be 100% legit pharmacuticals, but are busting the profits of US companies because they are regulated and much cheaper).

  16. Re:And legality? Sedition? Blasphemy? Self Darwin? by davidsyes · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe changing our foreign policy will ease things a bit, and if the government sees terrorists as "nits" or mobsters who are the "cost of doing business with a minimum of destruction on either side", then we could live a little quieter, even despite the effects of a "mob's invisible tax". We print money for all sorts of pork-barrel shit, so why not just pay mobsters and terrorists until they attrit? We kick back money to politicos, so how is it much different. Murders, abuse, lies, and more occur regardless of being a politico or mobster. We're talking two sides of the same coin here.

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    --organized religion
    --manifest destiny
    --imperialism
    --colonialism
    --conquest
    --mass genocide
    --racism
    --indifference
    --onerous tax burdens
    --massive benefits for ranking elected officials while the masses fend for themselves or get reamed by corporate health and medical czars

    (How many of you out there know that before the 1800's, when missionaries entered Japan, they forbade the Japanese converts to take their baths or bodywashing routines. So-called smart Christians at the time thought bathing was ridding the body of godliness and this was rammed down the throats of the people in Japan. Eventually, the got "rights" to ) bath 1 time every other week, then every week.

    Talk about voodoo and unsubtantiable beliefs. )
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    Why doesn't the US (or any for that matter) government unplug the anal probiscus of the rich and powerful and start forcing (our) businesses OUT of markets where we make enemies.

    I profoundly believe that bin-ladens don't arrive from a vacuum. We're told we're responsible for our own actions and inactions, yet we're also called products of our environment. Well, bin laden is either going off on a secret script created by elites who need a reason to keep up the Cold War military production rate, or bin Laden is doing what he thinks is 'rectificatin' of imperialist/colonialist vermin invading simple or otherwise backwards people who out to not be forced to "catch up with the times". I don't condone hijacking or blowing up civilians. But, shit happens. I'd RATHER see OBL be a bit more focused and surgical about WHO he goes after, not just indiscriminantly attack civilians whos votes are, at the national level, effectively powerless when someone like bush and rove hijack the white house.

    I'm sure bin Laden and others US-haters would diminish their bent on destruction if we (or any technical/financial nation) would pull out and stop practicing "expand or die" business practices or "god is my pilot" religious articles or cultural "manifest destiny" rampages.

    Because big business, selected individuals among the rich, and fighting warlords or international treasure-seekers just don't know when to quit, we have constant fighting and waste of lives. We're WASTING untold BILLIONS, partly because the current cabal in the WH is IN BED with many of the people following what I suspect are SCRIPTS to shake up and keep off balance many of the world's people who are increasingly coming under social, personal, and privacy attack JUST because a too-calm world would undermine the profits gained by defense industry and certain rich types.

    To me, terrorism is the result of being denied a voice. Imagine this: The police run you in or ticket you for something. Maybe you deserved it once, maybe not. But, they keep running you or your friends in. Internal Affairs or the Civilian Review Board don't respond to your claims, or dismiss you gruffily. Eventually, you TIRE of the shit, the lack of responsiveness, the lack of justice or whatnot, and you send a nastygram. They retaliate by having you kneecapped or beaten. You escalate by torching some squad cars, but are caught on footage. They escalate, and tit-for-tat continues until civilians are dragged into it.

    After a while the SMARTER of the populace says, "who GIVES a rat's ass 'bout who STARTED the sh

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