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Transistor Radio Turns 50

theodp writes "Before the iPod, there was the Regency TR-1. Fifty years ago Monday, tiny Indianapolis-based I.D.E.A. partnered with TI and shook the world with the first pocket-sized AM radio, so impressing IBM chief Tom Watson that he provided a $49.95 (roughly $345 in current dollars!), four transistor TR-1 to each of his senior managers to kick-start the company's transition from valves."

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  1. Picture and a bit more by erick99 · · Score: 5, Informative

    For a neat one page history of the shirt-pocket sized transistor radio along with a picture of the TR-1, go here: transistor radio

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  2. Transistors by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    UltraSparc IV: 66 million transistors
    Pentium IV Prescott: 125 million transistors
    Power4: 170 million transistors

    So how many transistors are in the TR-1?

    4

    For everything else, there's vacuum tubes. (Or diodes, depending on your radio set.) :-)

    1. Re:Transistors by antiMStroll · · Score: 3, Interesting

      4! I dreamed of a four as a kid, back when radios bragged right on the front panel about the number of silicon devices inside. Mine was stuck with two but it had the side benefit of being a conversation starter. People couldn''t understand how a radio with 2 transistors worked.

    2. Re:Transistors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NV40 GPU: 222 M transistors

      boyah!

    3. Re:Transistors by Recip_saw · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Later there was a class of radios called "Boy radios" from Japan. The US put a high tariff on devices having 3 or more transistors, so the Japanese designed radios using only two. Very clever designs using only 1 transistor to do all the initial amplification and signal detection and then one to amplifiy the signal for a speaker.

    4. Re:Transistors by operagost · · Score: 1

      I believe you can make an amplifier with only one transistor, but the quality will be poor and the power handling low.

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    5. Re:Transistors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, you're telling me you can make one signal amplifier with one.. signal amplifying device. OMG, CALL TEH POLICE.

    6. Re:Transistors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Probably a reflex design, with one transistor amplifying both RF and/or IF/audio?

    7. Re:Transistors by anethema · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, you cant get a better quality amp than a class A amp. You will get near perfect signal reproduction. Admittedly you will get better linearity if you use a multi-stage amp with feedback, but yeah.

      Power 'handling' wont be low but power 'efficiency' will be crappy since the transistor will always be biased in its ON state. Therefore it will dissipate power even when no signal is beeing pass through. Other than that its power dissipation for a given signal will be the same as for any other amp except class d :)

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    8. Re:Transistors by biobogonics · · Score: 1

      4! I dreamed of a four as a kid, back when radios bragged right on the front panel about the number of silicon devices inside.

      Of course there were some advantages to vacuum tubes. I enjoyed my bedside "All American 5" tube set. The lovely glow served as a night light and I could use it as a hand warmer when it was cold. Also, it was great fun to turn the set off and listen to the sound disappear as the tubes cooled.

      (You know you are getting old when you remember the days when you had to "warm up" electronic equipment before it would work!)

    9. Re:Transistors by Joey7F · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You sure can make an amp with one transitor. In fact it can also rectify the signal for you (no diode for dectecting) just take your coil (100uh is good and common) and a variable cap 180-380pF connect them in parallel couple that combo to a voltage divider biased Common Emitter amplifier. Make the collector resistor a pot, and wala...a cheap sleazy radio with a volume control. Now make sure your headset is high impedance (which you connect to the collector (ac coupled) and ground the otherside) because an 8ohm speaker will mess with your operating point.

      As an interesting note, a friend of mine built a Crystal Radio from scratch. When I say from scratch, I mean from scratch (built the speaker, the coil, the cap, the antenna, he even doped his own diode...jk) anyway he kept picking up 970wfla our strongest signal in Tampa, well my radio (described above) was only to tune to 970 so I set up my coil and cap in series put that in parallel with his tuner and suddently our overbearing signal disappeared. He said, something I made actually worked! I replied thanks, and said "I guess I found my ... notch" ;)

      --Joey

    10. Re:Transistors by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "(You know you are getting old when you remember the days when you had to "warm up" electronic equipment before it would work!)"

      Not familiar with load screens, then, are we?

  3. slashdotted already by kalpol · · Score: 5, Funny

    Must be using one for his web server.

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    1. Re:slashdotted already by dedeman · · Score: 1

      Must be using IIS. Personally, I've got Gentoo w/ Apache running on mine.

  4. International Boiling Machines. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Valves?

    I didn't know IBM had been in the plumbing business?

    1. Re:International Boiling Machines. by nucal · · Score: 5, Informative

      Valves = tubes in Brit-speak ...

    2. Re:International Boiling Machines. by stevesliva · · Score: 1

      No kidding, perhaps they meant vacuum tubes?

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    3. Re:International Boiling Machines. by Pete+Brubaker · · Score: 1

      Good cuz I was wondering what valves were! :)

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    4. Re:International Boiling Machines. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      yeah -- a "vacuum tube" is precisely the same creature as a "thermionic valve"

      "vacuum tube" is the better description of what such a component basically is, while "thermionic valve" is the better description of what it's good for.

    5. Re:International Boiling Machines. by thogard · · Score: 2, Funny

      Valves? I didn't know IBM had been in the plumbing business?

      You've never seen an IBM 3081. Dual CPUs and water cooled and the one I used in '93 had an uptime of 13 years.

    6. Re:International Boiling Machines. by cakefool · · Score: 1
      Know how to make them glow different colours?

      Simply change the gas in 'em.

      I fell for that too, for about an hour. It was a slow brain day.

      Hi John

    7. Re:International Boiling Machines. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow! Considering that it was "Announced November 12, 1980", it would have to have been immediately installed and started running to be able to get an uptime of 13 years after only 13 years.

    8. Re:International Boiling Machines. by Dusabre · · Score: 1

      No, they're valves in brit-speak.

    9. Re:International Boiling Machines. by thogard · · Score: 1

      It went in and went to work and never got shut down even for upgrades. And at the weekly status meetings, the BOFH that ran it would report uptime in different units such as years, or seconds or days. It made for some interesting graphs that the PHBette would produce since she stripped the units and just plotted the numbers along with everything else in the data center.

  5. (roughly $345 in current dollars!) by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Heh. Funny to think that at one time, a transistor radio would be as ostentatious as the little white iPod headphones.

    Of course there were no portable headphones.

    Just saying.

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    1. Re:(roughly $345 in current dollars!) by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      I used to have a watch transistor radio that I inherited from a relative. Well, it fit on your arm anyway. The thing was so large that it was like taking the TR-1 and strapping it to your wrist. In comparison, I gave my wife an MP3 player that's 1.5x1x.5 inches.

    2. Re:(roughly $345 in current dollars!) by tommyboyprime · · Score: 1

      When I graduated from grade school (don't ask, I'm older than dirt) my parents gave me a transistor radio as a gift. Yes, it was exactly like the Ipod today.

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    3. Re:(roughly $345 in current dollars!) by cmowire · · Score: 1

      I had a watch AM radio that we got while we were in Japan.

      It was about the same size as a normal watch, however.

      Some $%!$% broke the band a year or two later. Dono what happened to it after that...

    4. Re:(roughly $345 in current dollars!) by PhiberOptix · · Score: 1

      i wonder what your grandchild will think when they see their granpa on that crappy 5 gigapixel photo, thinking "oh, i'm so l33t, i got a 40gb ipod"...

      well, this is, of course, assuming that someone on /. will ever pass on their genes to the next generation...

    5. Re:(roughly $345 in current dollars!) by jaoswald · · Score: 2, Funny

      it was exactly like the Ipod today.

      Yup. And the transistor radio won't really be popular either until it supports Ogg Vorbis.

  6. Fantastic! I just used my transistor radio. by saskboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    On my way back from a football game where my Dad was using a transistor radio, to listen to the play-by-play, I listened to my 5cmX1cmX3cm transistor Radio Shack radio.

    They are ubiquitous in our lives now, and it's hard to imagine a world without miniturized electronics.

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  7. How business has changed by fembots · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The germanium transistor was first demonstrated privately at Bell Labs Dec. 23, 1947, by William Shockley and his team. However, production problems delayed its practical use. Until it was perfected, the invention was kept secret for 7 months and no patents were filed until 1948; the first public announcement was June 30, 1948.

    Nowadays, it's more like the patent was filed 5 years ago out of thin air, first public announcement was 24 months ago. Product is sold with some bugs and patches/fixes/recalls were made in the following 24 months.

    1. Re:How business has changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently there was some sort of liscensing dispute that had to be worked out with greys at Roswell NW, before Bell could release the product. Shockley invited the grey to his ranch outside of Las Vegas, and returned shortly afterwards say that some friends had taken care of the "contract"

      The grey was never seen again.

    2. Re:How business has changed by hemp · · Score: 1


      Of course William Shockley later went on to claim that intellectually inferior blacks were producing children faster than mentally superior whites.

      http://www.boston.com/globe/search/stories/nobel /1 989/1989r.html

      I think he may have been a transistor or two short.

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    3. Re:How business has changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And he was wrong exactly how?

    4. Re:How business has changed by unitron · · Score: 1
      Of course William Shockley later went on to claim that intellectually inferior blacks were producing children faster than mentally superior whites.

      http://www.boston.com/globe/search/stories/nobel /1 989/1989r.html

      I think he may have been a transistor or two short.

      Whether blacks are mentally inferior to whites is a seperate question from which "race" has (or at that time had) a greater birthrate. Of course being good at electronics doesn't necessarily have anything to do with whether or not he was right or wrong about either issue.

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  8. 50 years? by comwiz56 · · Score: 3, Funny

    How many people on slashdot have been alive this long?

    1. Re:50 years? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I received my first transistor radio, a gift from a "rich aunt" in the mid 60's when I was about seven or eight years old. I was absolutely amazed at the radio and kept it for a long time.

    2. Re:50 years? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Been around that long and hold a Medicare card! Remember the first Transistor radios, my friends father owned a "TV-Radio" shop, had the small Transisitor radios in a glass display case. I took one home to show my dad, he was amazed. But my Crystal radio set was "solid state", germanium diode and no batteries were needed to listen to it, needed a earphone though, and did not fit in my pocket. Now trying to be a computer geek ;-)

    3. Re:50 years? by Crusty+Oldman · · Score: 1

      Me.

    4. Re:50 years? by unitron · · Score: 1
      "How many people on slashdot have been alive this long?"

      None of us. We're all over on Geezerdot.

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    5. Re:50 years? by homer_ca · · Score: 1

      I'm not as old as that, but I do remember checking out these 20+ year old electronics books from the public library that had projects to build your own vacuum tube radio. They did talk about transistors too, but as an exotic, expensive unaffordable item.

    6. Re:50 years? by smchris · · Score: 1

      I remember my first transister radio in the 60s. Red plastic with a dead cow's skin case.

      Soldered a six-transister radio from a correspondence electronics course in the late 60s. Still have it.

  9. Inflation by Morkano · · Score: 5, Insightful
    he provided a $49.95 (roughly $345 in current dollars!)

    Wow. What struck me most about that article is how much inflation there's been in 50 years. Thats 700%! I don't know about you, but to me that's just insane.
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    1. Re:Inflation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
      Wow. What struck me most about that article is how much inflation there's been in 50 years. Thats 700%! I don't know about you, but to me that's just insane.

      Especially considering more than half of that inflation occurred between 1970 and 1983.

    2. Re:Inflation by qbzzt · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, it's not that bad.

      345/49.95 = 6.9 (= 590% inflation)
      power(6.9,1/50) = 1.04 (= 4% inflation).

      4% inflation is not such a big deal.

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    3. Re:Inflation by ejaw5 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure back then transistors costed a tad bit more than ~$0.04 ea in 2000 packs.

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    4. Re:Inflation by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 3, Informative
      What struck me most about that article is how much inflation there's been in 50 years. Thats 700%! I don't know about you, but to me that's just insane.

      Be thankful that you didn't live in Hungary in 1946. They had 41,900,000,000,000,000% inflation in the month of July alone.

    5. Re:Inflation by alaivfc · · Score: 2, Informative

      A general rule of thumb for inflation is that prices double every twenty years. By this standard, the given price is a little high, but not terribly so.

    6. Re:Inflation by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      Well, you have to remember we hadn't invented the WIN Button in those days.

      rj

    7. Re:Inflation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      can you imagine having a $5 bill in your pocket with the buying power of about $35?

    8. Re:Inflation by TyrranzzX · · Score: 1

      Ahh, but where does the value of the money go? How much value did the government and banks get through the federal reserve system?

    9. Re:Inflation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and way back then they used to spell "cost" without that extra "ed" too.

    10. Re:Inflation by falsified · · Score: 1

      Nowhere. Inflation doesn't do that. It's just a changing of the scale; there's no wealth going to any particular source. Unchecked inflation is bad for banks because it makes investment more costly, which raises interest rates, which reduces demand for loans (their main source of income). And the Federal Reserve doesn't work like that. The best measure of national wealth is the real GDP.

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    11. Re:Inflation by falsified · · Score: 2, Informative
      People will nitpick, so:

      GNP (Gross national product) measures the amount of output produced by all people/firms/capital from a nation, regardless of where that input is located; a Korean car plant in Kentucky counts for Korea's GNP, not the USA's. So, in a sense, the GDP doesn't measure national wealth, but output produced within a particular country.

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    12. Re:Inflation by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 1

      Actually, that's pretty funny. I'm sure most Slashdot readers are too young to remember this.

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    13. Re:Inflation by TyrranzzX · · Score: 1

      Then how do you explain that the value of gold hasn't changed in thousands of years? A nice gold coin can buy you a suit and pair of shoes, and 2 thousand years ago, a nice toga and sandals.

      Inflation doesn't happen because joe farmer wants more for his corn, and therefor the blacksmith charges more. No, it happens because more money is printed and it trickles out. Why was there no depressions or inflation before the federal reserve system?

      Our money is worthless, it's entire value is based on the that we've got the oil countries trading with it and only in it. If they announced they'd switch to euro's, our money would be worthless overnight.

    14. Re:Inflation by falsified · · Score: 1
      Well. My post completely backs up what you're saying. The value of gold hasn't changed relative to other things because its utility hasn't been significantly modified.

      Inflation happens because people are always trying to get the upper hand, even Farmer Joe, AND because more money is being printed. When more money is printed for no reason, hyperinflation occurs (Think Russia in 1996 or the former Weimar Republic).

      And yes, all money is just scraps of paper or chunks of minerals. I never said otherwise. Inflation of prices, if done at the same rate as wage inflation, is nothing more than a changing of the scale. This is why nominal wealth (wealth reported without any regard to adjustment of the price level, i.e. inflation) is meaningless. We look at real GDP (Total output, with inflation "removed") to see wealth. Because gold's NOMINAL worth has changed at the same rate as the nominal value of a suit and a pair of foot coverings, the REAL value of gold hasn't changed in thousands of years.

      Inflation was never really an issue before the Federal Reserve was created, but you're falling for a logical fallacy. Most economists would say that inflation increases during times of rapid economic growth because real GDP is changing so rapidly, M1 (money supply) cannot accurately adjust to follow this growth. If you look at real GDP growth during that same time period that inflation increases, you'll see that they correlate very well. And there was deflation through most of the Depression.(GDP growth before 1850 or so, worldwide, was at about .25%, with very little variation between European/North American nations. As industrialization and trade are smoothly systemized, GDP grows because economic growth is more possible and people aren't hording anymore.)

      So why, with our GDP even higher than it has ever been, do we have nearly no inflation in the United States? Because we have experience. We know how the economy works and we can control the money supply to cool off inflation. The most famous example is during the late 1970s, where the Carter administration purposely caused a recession to counteract what they forecasted as spiraling inflation.

      What's so bad about inflation? Like I said, it makes investment harder (If inflation is 8% per year, an investment needs to return over 8% per year for anyone to invest in it) and universal wage inflation usually takes longer than price inflation. And while it's an effect of rapid economic growth, it's not a good thing. It can blunt that economic growth pretty effectively.

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    15. Re:Inflation by falsified · · Score: 1

      Oh, and depressions didn't happen as much because the GDP rarely moved, as I stated. However, "panics" (from what I can tell, they're pretty much slight depressions or severe recessions) happened when many firms tried to withdraw from banks at once. Off the top of my head, there was the Panic of 1877, and I believe there were two others in the 1830s. These were short-lived because the run on banks quickly died off.

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    16. Re:Inflation by TyrranzzX · · Score: 1

      Tell ya what, go find a old documentary by the name of "the money masters". It's about 4 hours long, but I think your lack of thinking will be corrected by it. I used to believe all the rhetoric they taught us in school, but after looking at that documentary I'm a bit more convinced that bankers are behind it.

      If you don't mind the download, www.suprnova.org, look for a file by the name of "good ones".

  10. Wow, 40 years ago 6 and 8 transisters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting
    in a portable radio was considered impressive.

    And I think the IC's I was working on 35 years ago were produced from one inch wafers and were one transister or diode per chip which were mounted in an IC to replace a vacuum tube or valve based circuit.

    But that's progress. Now you can have a 3 Ghz pentium that will put out as much heat as that old vacuum tube based technology ever could.

    1. Re:Wow, 40 years ago 6 and 8 transisters by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1
      But that's progress. Now you can have a 3 Ghz pentium that will put out as much heat as that old vacuum tube based technology ever could.

      It's hard to compete with vacuum tube computers for power consumption. Each of the 2 dozen-ish SAGE strategic command systems run by the US Air Force consumed more than a megawatt in order to provide the raw computational power of an 8086. (And they didn't unplug the last one until the 1980s.)

  11. Re:Picture and a bit more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you look at the expanded pic of the "shirt-pocket radio", you also see a Zenith hearing aid, which has a shape (especially considering the location of the earphone) surprisingly similar to an iPod...

  12. 50 [virgin] years? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "How many people on slashdot have been alive this long?"

    And are still virgins?

    1. Re:50 [virgin] years? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was implied.

    2. Re:50 [virgin] years? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How long is a virgin year compared to a normal one? (They seemed a lot longer.)

    3. Re:50 [virgin] years? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "How many people on slashdot have been alive this long?"

      And are still virgins?


      Heh, heh. It only says 72 virgins. Doesn't mention what gender. What a surprise that'll be...

    4. Re:50 [virgin] years? by TheCaptain · · Score: 1

      And are still virgins?

      Be careful about what you ask for...you'll get a much shorter list if you just asked for the ones who aren't virgins.

  13. I thought the TR-1 had 3 transistors by Cprossu · · Score: 2

    Didnt the TR-1 only have 3 transistors? sure the TI reference design had 4, but i could swear that their engineers managed to cut one of em out to make it cheaper.

    1. Re:I thought the TR-1 had 3 transistors by killpog · · Score: 1

      Here's a schematic: http://www.freeinfosociety.com/electronics/schemat ics/regencytr1.html

    2. Re:I thought the TR-1 had 3 transistors by Cprossu · · Score: 1

      where is the 4th transistor located then? http://people.msoe.edu/~reyer/regency/clear1024.jp g

  14. Slow News Day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, it must be a slow news day if the Slashdot editors can't find a better way to get in their mandatory daily mention of the iPod!

  15. $345! by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You say $345 with an exclamation mark as if that's a lot of money for a portable entertainment device. How much do you think an iPod costs? Or a Rio?
    -russ

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    1. Re:$345! by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 2, Funny

      ... as if that's a lot of money for a portable entertainment device. How much do you think an iPod costs?

      A lot!

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    2. Re:$345! by elid · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Way back then, if you'd sign up for an offer at www.freeRegencyTR-1s.com and refer 5 of your friends, you could get it free! :-)

    3. Re:$345! by jmitchel!jmitchel.co · · Score: 1

      $345 shure was a lot of money when a house cost $22,000 and the average income was $3,960 (thanks to fiftiesweb).

      A quick adjustment based on the 2001 median household income of $42228 (US Census Bureau) is $3,450... rather a lot of money.

    4. Re:$345! by vigyanik · · Score: 2, Informative
      You say $345 with an exclamation mark as if that's a lot of money for a portable entertainment device. How much do you think an iPod costs? Or a Rio?

      You have missed the point. The submitter wants to underscore the similarity with the IPod by showing that even their prices are similar once you adjust for inflation.

    5. Re:$345! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing you have to remember is that back then $345 was a lot of money!

    6. Re:$345! by operagost · · Score: 1

      Uh - you just compared the radio's price in 2004 dollars to its price in 1954 dollars. That's quite a red herring.

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    7. Re:$345! by ajna · · Score: 1

      Does your boss buy all of the engineers iPods?

    8. Re:$345! by uberdave · · Score: 1

      Back then $345 was worth about $49.95

    9. Re:$345! by damiam · · Score: 1

      Umm.. the radios were only $50 in 1954 dollars. The $345 was already compensated for inflation, you don't have to to do it agian.

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    10. Re:$345! by fireman+sam · · Score: 1

      I think we have just found the next treasurer

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    11. Re:$345! by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it was a bargain, comparatively. But you still had to come up with the money. If yuu're a well-paid geek, no problem. If you're a teenager who has to work for the money, or even a low end working Joe or Jane with a family to provide, it's not as cheap as you seem to think.

    12. Re:$345! by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 1

      If that was his point, then why did he put an exclamation mark as if that's a lot of money?

      But ... why am I repeating myself? Didn't you read what I wrote the first time?
      -russ

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    13. Re:$345! by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 1

      Yeah, really, is adjusting for inflation THAT subtle that two people had to get it wrong in their reply to me??
      -russ

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    14. Re:$345! by vigyanik · · Score: 1

      He put an excalmation mark to say something like "even the prices are nearly the same!".

    15. Re:$345! by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 1

      Oh.

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  16. I can attest to that.. by LittLe3Lue · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was on a bus today, and I saw a kid with one of those old Shockwave tape players. You know those yellow ones that had two black hatches that would close it.

    It had antiskip on the cd player version of the shockwave, and it was so cool. This was when I was back in elementary school, and I wanted one so badly.

    I thought to myself, wow that thing was huge, how did we ever use tapes! and I looked around and saw all the people with ipods or other mp3 players on the bus. Even mini-disc players are way to outdated nowadays.

    How quickly technology changes..

    1. Re:I can attest to that.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Even mini-disc players are way to outdated nowadays.

      Minidisc was outdated 10 years ago.

    2. Re:I can attest to that.. by eclectro · · Score: 1

      I remember when sony introduced the first portable cd player and they cost $400.

      I drooled over them.

      Now Walmart has them for less than $20.

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  17. And for all you non-Brits out there... by Ocelot+Wreak · · Score: 4, Informative
    ... a vacuum tube is == a "valve" in the UK.

    And I, for one, want to welcome the arrival of our new iPod Overlords!

    -Ocelot Wreak.

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    1. Re:And for all you non-Brits out there... by Infinityis · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the confusion, I kept wondering what this had to do with Half Life 2 and Valve. I knew we've been waiting for the release for awhile now, but even I didn't think it's been 50 years...

    2. Re:And for all you non-Brits out there... by Infinityis · · Score: 0

      Uhh...I mean thanks for the clarification...

      Boy do I feel stupid.

  18. Wow talk about Memories. by Allnighterking · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I can remember fishing with my dad as we listened to the Cardinals play by play on his. He won it in a national sales contest and I might add was quite the object of jealosy for having it.

    If I remember right his had 9 transistors. At that time when you bought one it would tell you how many transistors it had. The more transistors the better the "quality" and the higher the price. 9 was pretty much top of the line for portables.

    The Sony's where considered cheap and low quality. (and they fell apart so very easy.) If you wanted a good one there was only one way to go. RCA. Though the people from Phillips and GE had their contenders.

    The RCA's had honestly better quality speakers etc so there was a difference in quality (over the cheap Japanese imports). His also took a single 9 volt battery and a small V/U meter to tell you signal strength. Even heard my first Beatles tune on it.

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    1. Re:Wow talk about Memories. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nowadays .. transistor counts are still used, but not to sell radios .. CPU's instead.

    2. Re:Wow talk about Memories. by Deadstick · · Score: 1
      The more transistors the better the "quality" and the higher the price.

      In SAT terms, Transistors : radio = jewels : watch

      rj

  19. My radio is better cause it has more transistors! by zakezuke · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Tom Watson that he provided a $49.95 (roughly $345 in current dollars!), four transistor TR-1 to each of his senior managers to kick-start the company's transition from valves."

    I wish I had specific references of this, but it was a practice by some portable radio manufacturers to add extra transistors just so they could market as being a *12 transistor* radio. I've seen a couple of these where they only used two poles directly from the battery i.e. as diodes. I've seen one case where they just added extra ones before the speaker which did reduce over all sound quality. Sorta like they added an extra unnessicary smoke stack to the Titanic, cause more is better.

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  20. Grandpa's Walkman by Technician · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just for nastalga sake, I still have my grandfathers "Walkman" It's from the 50's when plastics were the big thing. It's bright red, pre-transistor AM radio about the size of a gradeschool lunchbox. It uses 3 sets of batteries. It used a 1.5 volt filimant battery, a 22.5 volt battery (about the size of a nine-volt) and the big high voltage B battery of 67 volts. It does not use an AC cord.

    Going transistor improved battery life and permitted smaller size. Due to the smaller size and early speaker technology, the early transistor radios were known for their tin sound. They mostly sounded like a set of headphones on a desk. Earphones (mono in the ear) were common as was simply holding the radio up to the ear like a cell phone.

    Being an early geek in those days meant taking apart some of the early transistor radios. (grade shool age) Deceptive marketing was common. Just like the standards for car audio watts (RMS, Peak, per channel, all channels together, un distorted, 10% distortion, max power at any distortion etc..).

    Transistor count was the big seller.. The more the better. I remember taking apart a 9 transistor radio only to discover that only 3 of the transistors were used. 3 of them had all three leads stuck in the same hole. 3 of them were used as diodes with two leads in one hole and the other lead in another hole. It was a simple regenerative reciever, not a superhetrodyne with some semblance of fideliety.

    In marketing, not much has changed in the years.

    My old printer claims X number of pages ink yeild for it's color cartrige at 15% page coverage. The new printer claims it does more pages with it's high yeild cartrige. In the fine print it does 1.5X more pages but at 5% coverage. In my book, that's less yeild. The new cartrige is over twice the price. Carts refrenced are the HP 23 and the HP 78. I can get two of the former for about $45 or one of the latter for $52. Needless to say, my old printer is the primary color printer, not the new one. Thanks to the truth in advertising, they do specify how the page yeild was calculated, but they have gone a long way to imply comparing page count of these two cartridges is accurate, when it is deceptive. Do you want the 600 page count cartrige or the 900 page count one? Come on guys. point out the 600 count is with 15% coverage and the 900 count is with 5% coverage. (page counts rounded off for example. See HP's website for stated page yeild claims.

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    1. Re:Grandpa's Walkman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just for nastalga sake

      Just for English's sake, please stop posting.

      Thank you.

      -Grammar Nazi

    2. Re:Grandpa's Walkman by ral315 · · Score: 0

      nastalga
      filimant
      un distorted
      reciever
      superhetrodyne
      fideliety
      cartrige
      yeild
      cartrige
      refrenced


      Apparantly, you were using the "Walkman" during grammar lessons?

  21. Re:Picture and a bit more by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That reminds me of an AM radio I built from one of those copper coil kits for kids. It was more of an ear-plug than a headphone, though. And when I say ear-plug, I mean that it was a massive thing that went right down your ear canal.

    Which reminds me of the first headphone I ever used. It was a single ear-plug that plugged into one of those K-Mart black and white TVs. It was plastic, but the cord was a simple twisted deal. Not much in the way of wire protection.

    God, this stuff takes me back.

  22. I thought the hearing aid looked remarkably modern by spitzak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My first impression seeing that picture was that the thing in the front was some recent MP3 player, put there to contrast it with the old radios.. Only reading the text below revealed it was a 1952 design. Case is quite rounded and silver and very small.

  23. Fake transistors by John+Jorsett · · Score: 5, Interesting
    If I remember right his had 9 transistors. At that time when you bought one it would tell you how many transistors it had. The more transistors the better the "quality" and the higher the price. 9 was pretty much top of the line for portables.

    I remember the prestige accorded to the transistor count in those early radios; it was bragging rights for us kids on the playground to have the radio with the higher count. Trouble was, the manufacturers caught on to this early and soldered in fake parts to raise their total. I remember a picture in an electronics mag showing the bottom of the printed circuit board in one radio, showing all three leads of each of a couple of the transistors soldered together in as one big connected blob.

  24. 22.5 volt battery? by Worf+Maugg · · Score: 1
    1. Re:22.5 volt battery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can still get them:
      http://www.brandnametools.biz/electrical/l/ Lantern _Batteries/_1292388.htm

    2. Re:22.5 volt battery? by the+narf · · Score: 1

      Why a 22.5 volt battery? Because they were readily available as "A" batteries for portable vacuum-tube products, and the 9-volt "transistor radio" battery hadn't been created yet...

  25. Other measures by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1
    How Much Is That says...

    CPI: $342
    GDP Deflator: $286
    Unskilled Wage: $494
    GDP Per Capita: $810
    GDP: $1440

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  26. Neat photos in this guy's auction... by John+Miles · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Since the original server is down (yeah, that's a good idea, let's post a link to a personal web page on cox.net!):

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item =2269893061

    Who knows how long the photos will stay up, but if you do a completed-items search on "Regency TR-1" you'll find several other examples.

    I wonder how much a MINT!! RARE!!11! NWE IN BOX L@@K!! iPod will fetch in 2054?

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    1. Re:Neat photos in this guy's auction... by Chairboy · · Score: 1

      Of interest... roughly the same price as it sold for new (adjusted for inflation).

  27. But does it play Ogg Vorbis? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    I'm so sick of these players ignoring a huge chunk of the market. I can't believe this has been going on for so long!

  28. The definitive review of transistor radios. by hndrcks · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Writen by humorist James Thurber for the New Yorker back in the late 50's or early 60s. The essay is in this book.

    He writes of his drawer-full of cheap Japanese knockoffs that worked for a few days, then began to each emit a strange and unique sound - his fond reminiscing about 'Old Squeem' still makes me laugh.

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    Everyone will start to cheer when you put on your sailin' shoes.
  29. The first transistor radio by mart459 · · Score: 1

    The first "production transistor radio" was actually produced by Raytheon. As part of an experiment, transistors that were mil-spec drop outs were re-used with other circuitry as "drop in" replacements for vacuum tubes. I do not remember how many were produced, but there was a genuine production run.

    For those into ancient history - the first solid state production facility in the US is now the "new England Convention Center" off of 128.

    1. Re:The first transistor radio by Em+Ellel · · Score: 1

      The first "production transistor radio" was actually produced by Raytheon. As part of an experiment, transistors that were mil-spec drop outs were re-used with other circuitry as "drop in" replacements for vacuum tubes. I do not remember how many were produced, but there was a genuine production run.


      I believe the article menations the first pocket-sized transistor radio - not the first transistor radio in general.

      -Em

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  30. Designs started with tubes Re:Transistors by mikewas · · Score: 1
    This type of design was common with portable radios -- tube radios. I used to collect old radios & TVs and refurbish them when in high school. Portable battery operated radios, lunch box sized recievers for consumer use and trancievers for military or emergency services, had some amazing circuitry to reduce size & power.

    An easy thing to do was combine several elements into a single tube. That meant a single power-hungry filament could support two triodes and/or pentodes, and possibly also a couple of diodes.

    The circuit designs used were more interesting. A Motorola lunchbox-sized AM radio was made with 3 tubes. I remember one tube contained a pentode that was used as an RF amp, IF amp and first audio amp. They used a summing junction to sum all the input signals. At the output they used filters to seperate the three bands of frequencies.

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  31. I think... by knowfear04 · · Score: 1

    I might have one of these in my attic, red I think. Picked it up a garage sale though.

  32. Re:My radio is better cause it has more transistor by Kenja · · Score: 1

    I've seen one where the extra transisters where just twisted together on the board, not attached to anything other then themselves.

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  33. Re:Picture and a bit more by boredMDer · · Score: 4, Funny

    'which has a shape...surprisingly similar to an iPod...

    ...you mean a rectangle?

  34. I thought SONY was the first? by Samir+Gupta · · Score: 0

    A transistor radio was among their first ever products that were exported, no?

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  35. Re:Picture and a bit more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, exactly! That's the word I was trying to think of! Thank you!

  36. "Valves" in Radios by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For those who don't speak British English, a "valve" is what us Yanks would call a "vacuum tube". Us geezers remember going down to the drugstore with a tube out of the TV. They had a vacuum tube checker and a supply of replacement tubes.

    Don't ask me why drugstores carried vacuum tubes. I don't have any idea.

    1. Re:"Valves" in Radios by Deadstick · · Score: 4, Informative
      Don't ask me why drugstores carried vacuum tubes.

      Because in much of the USA in those days, drugstores were among the few stores permitted to do business on Sunday.

      Seven-Elevens had tube testers as late as the mid-Seventies.

      rj

    2. Re:"Valves" in Radios by jangobongo · · Score: 1

      Seven-Elevens had tube testers as late as the mid-Seventies.

      I remember those! Our neighborhood 7/11 still had a tube tester until the very early eighties when they replaced it with video game machines (Space Invaders and Pac Man, I think). God, do I feel old now...

      --

      Sig cancelled due to lack of interest
  37. Re:Picture and a bit more by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I was 5 my dad helped me build a crystal radio from scratch.
    we wrapped copper wire around a TP roll, got a germanium diode, a copper strip, a 2,000ohm earphone and a board.
    We wrapped the wire around the TP roll and shellaced it. We screwed the copper strip to the board with the other parts, wired it all up and I was listening to radio without batteries. I thought that was neater than hell (in 1966) and it really inspired me to experimenting.
    When I was six, a kid gave me a transistor radio he dropped, it ripped the speaker, earphone jack and battery wires loose from the board and he considered it trash. I took it home, locked myself in my dads workshop and spent a while studying the schematic that was glued to the back cover. I got my dads soldering iron and fixed it. It worked. But I hid it in a cigar box because I was afraid my dad would kick my ass for using his tools without asking. My dad found the radio and I had to tell him what I did. He didn't beat me, he gave me all of his old TV and Radio repair tools to play with. That pretty much set it in stone for me from that point..

  38. And BPL going to kill it. by SWTP_OS9 · · Score: 1

    Intersting that last weeks BPL notist is close to this occurance.

    It was intersting to see transistors replace vacumn tubs.I remember my first job working for a company that had just released a totally 200 watt input Solid State HAM Tranceiver you could buy. No tubes what so ever. It could do thing that no other unit could touch.

  39. Not me... but by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1
    I hope to live to see 100 year old I Love Lucy re-runs, at least.

    Too old to be a "boomer", too young to be "gen X"...

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    This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
  40. Re:Picture and a bit more by CheapEngineer · · Score: 1

    Looking thru all the stuff recently dug out of my dad's basement, I realize I *have* one of those Zenith hearing aids - just like that.

    I wonder how hard a MP3 player casemod would be....

    Cheap Engineer

  41. Re:Picture and a bit more by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

    When I was 5 my dad helped me build a crystal radio from scratch.
    we wrapped copper wire around a TP roll, got a germanium diode, a copper strip, a 2,000ohm earphone and a board.


    Yep, that's pretty much like the radio I built. Unfortunately, we were so far away from the broadcasting stations that I could only pick up the feignest of signals. The electric motor kit was much more interesting, especially after my dad explained how it could work as a generator if you applied mechanical power.

    Odd as it may sound though, I never really got into electronic and mechanical design. Programming was somehow easier and more interesting.

    He didn't beat me, he gave me all of his old TV and Radio repair tools to play with.

    Cool! Just be careful with televisions. Many of them have charged capacitors that can give you a nasty shock, even if they've been unplugged for a few years. :-)

  42. Tubes vs Transister by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From a person which did not live in a tube world back in the old days. I must admit, I have gone back to tubes (values) for my audio needs. After rebuilding a Dynaco ST 70 and my own Tube pre-amp. I will never go back to solid state technology. I use to laugh at people that said that tube audio amps sounded better than todays gear. Well, after I have heard a tube amp. It has changed my mind.
    An added benefit, it's very easy to build a simple tube amp or pre-amp.

    Tubes were replaced with Transisters, but there is still a place in todays world for tubes.

    I'm just building my first 300b monoblocks. I look forward to smashing my current future shop transister gear out of the way.

    1. Re:Tubes vs Transister by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because tubes distort in 5ths.

  43. Transistor Timeline by DankNinja · · Score: 2, Informative

    PBS has an excellent timeline that describes the history of the transistor,
    'Transistorized! The History of the Invention of the Transisor'.

  44. Re:Picture and a bit more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Sounds like you got into electronics at the best time. Would you recommend to your children to go into electrical engineering today?

  45. Re:Picture and a bit more by Leebert · · Score: 2, Funny

    That reminds me of an AM radio I built from one of those copper coil kits for kids. It was more of an ear-plug than a headphone, though. And when I say ear-plug, I mean that it was a massive thing that went right down your ear canal.

    A crystal radio.

    Sadly, every crystal radio I ever built only picked up WBAL, which turned me into a talk radio junkie at 7.

  46. ... the number of *silicon* devices inside... by PaulBu · · Score: 1

    What, are you some kind of a weird kid too young for /. ??? In my time the radios mentioning "7 transistors inside" were made out of germanium transistors!

    Paul B.

  47. Amazing picture of a very early transistor... by jangobongo · · Score: 4, Informative

    A Transistor radio mini-history has a picture of an early transistor circa 1947. From the website:

    ...USA research scientists of Bell Laboratories, Shockley, Bardeen and Brattain managed, in December 1947, to invent a solid state device that they called THE TRANSISTOR. They succeeded in creating a completely new amplifying device just by adding a second contact point to the already popular CRYSTAL DIODE based on a piece of germanium crystal with a pointed "cat's whisker" touching its surface. In 1956 in recognition for their extraordinary work they were awarded the Nobel Prize. (Can't tell from the website if this one pictured was the very first one invented by Shockley, Bardeen and Brattain of Bell Laboratories.)

    Transistor inventors Shockley, Bardeen and Brattain were awarded a Nobel prize for their work in 1956. It's amazing how something so primitive went on to revolutionize the electronics industry.

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  48. Re:Picture and a bit more by iroll · · Score: 2, Insightful

    [musing mode on]

    Well, it would probably be similar to taking an original Han Solo action figure and modding it into a new, modern Jar Jar toy. An exercise in bad judgement.

    You'd be better off to sell it on ebay for $1000, and invest that money in finding either a similar but empty case to fill, or just paint a new iPod silver and do some calligraphy on it. Then pocket the change.

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  49. Re:Picture and a bit more by tzanger · · Score: 1

    Even the best caps will die within a few weeks to a month. Besides, it's not the TVs that scare me, it's the microwaves... When I worked at the repair shop we used a pair of huge screwdrivers to short them caps out, and they held a charge, holy shit. spot-weld marks all over those screwdrivers. :-)

  50. Re:Picture and a bit more by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's hard to say, the glory days are over now. Dubya has sent all the good jobs overseas.

    Still, it's a GOOD thing to know about electronics. And it's fun too.
    Here's a great site to get kids started,
    http://scitoys.com/
    and
    http://www.how stuffworks.com/

    And of course here's how a kid can build his own radio from stuff laying around the house..
    http://scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/radio/ radio.htm l#crystal

  51. Re:Picture and a bit more by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

    Heh. True enough. Nothing like a few kilowatts to wake you up in the morning, eh? ;-)

  52. Re:Picture and a bit more by biobogonics · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you look at the expanded pic of the "shirt-pocket radio", you also see a Zenith hearing aid, which has a shape (especially considering the location of the earphone) surprisingly similar to an iPod...

    "Why a hearing aid?" you may ask. Interesting history there - Bell Labs, probably in view of the work done by Alexander Graham Bell with the deaf and hard of hearing, allowed transistors to be used in hearing aids without royalty payments. If you have ever seen the large B batteries once used with vacuum tubes, you will understand why the transistor was such a breakthrough in creating a wearable hearing aid.

  53. Maybe older? by jd · · Score: 1

    Can anyone remember when Sir Clive Sinclair developed his transistor radio? Or, for that matter, his all-transistor amplifier? I'm not certain, but they may have been even earlier.

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    1. Re:Maybe older? by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      Remember?...

      Do you mean the x20? the 20 watt PWM amplifier that could only supply 10 watts? Or the six transister radio that had only three transistors, but used them all twice?

      I personally made thousands of both these things in the summer of 1966 (to the sound of the Isley Brothers "unchained melody" and any amount of Everly Brothers tracks. I also made a modified version of the radio that acted as a transmitter (for bugging).

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  54. Re:My radio is better cause it has more transistor by identity0 · · Score: 1

    some portable radio manufacturers to add extra transistors just so they could market as being a *12 transistor* radio.

    Oh yeah? Well, my Pentium IV has *100 million* transistors! How do ya like that, huh? huh?! - Sadly, this appears to be Intel's marketing strategy these days.

    Good thing radio makers weren't competing on frequencies - "My radio goes up to 300 Mhz!" "Oh yeah? Mine goes to 350!". We'd have ended up in the terahertz range by now. At least the 4th stack on the Titanic served some purpose - IIRC, they used it to vent the galley and laundry fumes.

  55. Re:Picture and a bit more by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

    Oh and btw, here's an oldie I've been hanging onto for some years now. I don't really know the age of this thing, I bought it at a flea market about 15 years ago and it's in magnificent condition..

    http://www.systemrecycler.com/pocketradio/

  56. Cargo Cult Science by inKubus · · Score: 1

    Feynman gave a lecture on this and in good science you don't imply something. Just like you should never assume.

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  57. kudos ! by chrisranjana.com · · Score: 0

    Transistor radios were the lifeline of the yesteryears indeed ! cheers to them !

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  58. Just wondering if MS was there 50 years ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What would hev been the history of electronics and
    hw industry, if Mr. William was into HW and was born say 70 years ago. Nice thing to think about.... Probably ham radio would have been the first target and with that could have drowned the whole industry!!!!!

  59. Don't you mean 57 years?! by Anita+Coney · · Score: 1

    The Roswell crash occured in 1947. Or did it take the US government 7 years to figure out how to use the technology found in the crash?!

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  60. And look at the patent by mangu · · Score: 1

    Here is a pdf copy of the patent. Notice how the complete circuit diagram, together with a detailed description is included. That's what a patent is supposed to be, not the obvious and vague "one-click" shit they patent today.

  61. You Can't Buy One by mbstone · · Score: 2, Informative

    Have you recently visited a store (e.g. Target or Wal-Mart) and tried to buy a new transistor radio (defined as a battery powered radio the size of a pack of cigarettes)? I wanted one to listen to the presidential debates. I couldn't find a transistor radio, or a headphone radio, the smallesst thing they had was a $9 portable radio cassette player that was large enough to have a carrying handle.

  62. You Also Can't Buy A Portable Satellite Radio by mbstone · · Score: 1

    Sirius now makes a portable satellite radio that will move from car to car, but it requires 12V power and a nearby FM car radio (it retransmits the signal on FM and there is no earphone jack). Have you noticed there are no XM or Sirius Walkman-type radios?

  63. Transistor radios still rule in places like Africa by dltallan · · Score: 1

    I was listening to a radio interview with someone who works with Foster Parents Plan yesterday. She mentioned that in many parts of rural Africa, transistor radios still rule and are the primary method of broadcasting and sharing news across geographic distances.

    TVs are expensive and require a power supply which is often not available (transistor radios can run off of batteries much more easily than TVs). Newspapers require literacy levels which are also quite difficult to come by. I won't go into the challenges around computer networks as a source of news.

    Transistor radios, on the other hand have massive market penetration. The example used, I think, was rural Senegal where on average there was one transistor radio per family. That's pretty amazing considering the economic situation.

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  64. Re:Picture and a bit more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well I guess then you can't blame Clinton either for the bad economy?

  65. Re:Picture and a bit more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tell me where you work so I never send even a calculator there to be repaired! I mean holy shit guys, you don't even have a high-voltage probe or something to discharge those caps?
    You sound like butchers.

  66. Soap box radio by tsa · · Score: 1

    In 1957 (I think it was) my father had a subscription to the 'Arend', which was a Dutch version of the American magazine Eagle, a magazine for boys and girls of around 13 years old. He still has these magazines, and in there is an item about the soap box radio, which was the size and shape of one of those plastic boxes you use to carry a bar of soap around in while traveling. For that time it was an amazing thing: suddenly you had radio everywhere because it was battery powered AND portable. It's actually quite strange that we had to wait until the invention of the walkman in the 1980's before portable music really became popular because the technology has been around since the late '50's.

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  67. B+, plus what? Weight! by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 1

    The typical B battery was about the size of a cassette Walkman[tm], but weighed quite a bit more, several pounds (weight US, not monetary, UK). Then you had to have your A battery for the filaments, and your C battery for the grid (technically, you might skip this one with cathode bias). Add in the wight of the larger components, the extra heat dissipated, the heavier chassis and case to protect the glass tubes from breakage (and the wearer from heat and broken glass), and you had a substantial package of fairly delicate weight and heat to tote around.

    There are some things I prefer tubes for, but a hearing aid isn't one of them!

  68. I'm steenking close! by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 1

    I'll be 50 next year. I'd forgotten I have to call the transistor radio, "sir".

    It's not really odd to me that most folks have no clue what a vacuum tube is. It's a bit odd that most folks have no clue what a transistor is. Society has changed as much as technology over the last 50 years, at least in the USA.

    50 years ago, almost everyone knew what a tube was, whether they cared or not (and most cared to some degree).[0] Today most people know what a computer or iPod is, whether they care or not, but an awful lot of folks aren't real sure what a chip is (insert joke here), and very few people under, say, 25, have more than the vaguest understanding of what a transistor is. And almost nobody cares (outside the geek communities). [1]

    Part of that is simply the technology maturity, but it's also partly sociological (the two are also intertwined more than a lot of people realize).

    [0] Then again, they really needed to, since instead of sending a dead TV or radio to the landfill, you generally had one or more tubes replaced, and it worked again. We weren't such a disposable society in the Tubozoic Era.
    [1] In and of itself, that's neither good nor bad (or more likely both). I present it solely as a data point.

  69. You go first by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 1

    Well, which three do you see?

  70. Say what??? by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 1
    It's actually quite strange that we had to wait until the invention of the walkman in the 1980's before portable music really became popular because the technology has been around since the late '50's.


    I'm not sure what you're trying to say here; portable music was huge fairly quickly. It was even big before the transistor radio. My parents had a portable, RCA, tube, AM radio (width and height of a school lunchbox, maybe 2 inches (5 cm) deep) from when they were dating. That puts it at late 40s or early 50s. Rock and roll took off with the aid of electronics - electric guitars, TV, car radios and ...portable radios. By the mid-60s, when I was 11 or 12, every teenager I knew, from rich to poor (in a small town, you know them all) had a transistor radio. (Van Morrison mentions them in "Wild Night", which came out in the mid to late 60s, knowing that practically everyone had one.)

    I remember sneaking one to school so we could listen during recess to the World Series. The teachers understood; so long as it only came out at recess, they ignored it - but only for something like the World Series. (Now kids text message each other in class!)

    1. Re:Say what??? by tsa · · Score: 1

      I was born in Holland in '68 and I can't remember anyone taking a portable radio with them to school until the walkman became popular. So apparently that was different in America.

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