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Explosives Detection Breakthrough Via Green Laser

retiarius writes "In keeping with celebrating the USA's National Chemistry Week (aside from watching the hitcount for Tom Lehrer's very chemical music video at CD Baby), I'm duly impressed by an amazingly simple new way to detect explosives at a distance -- just use a store-bought presentation green laser pointer and some dimestore infrared night vision glasses! The (alas, patentable) details are in this week's EE Times."

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  1. False positives & meat by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A quick read of this article suggests that this will have a false positive problem with meat products. The nitrite (NO2) groups found in explosives that glow IR when exposed to green light are also found in meat products. I'm surprised the researchers did not test this potential source of false postives because other explosives detection technologies that look for nitrogen are also fooled by meat products.

    Eat a hot dog or deli sandwich before going through security and you may end up in the dreaded secondary screening line when the bomb detector mistakes bologna for a bomb.

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    1. Re:False positives & meat by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 3, Funny

      What's worse is if they pull you out of the line because of a false positive, and then bring out those big, nasty bomb-sniffing dogs and YOU smell like MEAT.

      Yikes!

      Now I can't take bacon on planes. Oh well, it's for security.

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    2. Re:False positives & meat by erykjj · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't remember much from my chemistry class, but apparently they tested it with "benzene, naphthalene, nail polish, perfume, lighter fluid, rubber cement, acetone, toluene, fertilizer on golf shoes, sugar, baking soda, polyvinyl pyrrolidone (PVP), paint thinner and more" and nono of these triggered the alarm. I'm sure some of these contain the nitrites you mentioned, no?

    3. Re:False positives & meat by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2, Informative
      those big, nasty bomb-sniffing dogs

      The only bomb-sniffing dogs I know are real pussycats. They have the kind of disposition that you trust with the baby, even when the baby is teething and thinks chewing on the dog's ears will help.

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    4. Re:False positives & meat by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2, Insightful
      True enough. A lot of people think of dogs like that as really ill-tempered, aggressive animals, though, and I hate to see the stereotype reinforced.

      Far as I can tell, bomb-sniffing dogs are chosen for intelligence and mild disposition. The former so they can learn what they need to know, the latter because they do their work around strangers a lot, and it doesn't do to have the dog wig out over the number of strange people in the area while it does what it was trained to do.

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    5. Re:False positives & meat by Eisvogel · · Score: 2, Informative

      > I'm sure some of these contain the nitrites you
      > mentioned, no?

      There is some nitrit included in your list. But please remember, that the absorption and emission wave length not only depend on a single atom or bond but are also greatly influensed by the surrounding bonds/structures.

      Your list is nothing but a first indication if the choosen method should be investigated.

    6. Re:False positives & meat by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2, Funny

      A lot of people think of dogs like that as really ill-tempered, aggressive animals,

      In other words, people think dogs are like people. ;-)

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    7. Re:False positives & meat by Kobal · · Score: 2, Informative

      Most of those compounds don't even contain nitrogen, let alone nitrites. The closest call would be fertilizer, where there can be nitrites along nitrates.
      On the other hand, while nitrites are still allowed as preservatives and colour fixatives in meat products, they should have been banned long ago. Such accidents are unfortunately still pretty common. 1g is usually considered as a fatal dose.

  2. Re:Cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is GOOD that the information is public. Who cares about patenting something like this? We are talking about saving lives. Anyone who tries to patent something SO USEFUL to every country in the world is a greedy bastard.

  3. Why alas? US govt can use patents royalty-free. by redelm · · Score: 4, Informative
    Explosives detection technology is most likely to be used by elements of the US government, specifically the DHS, TSA and other TLAs. Patents make no difference to the US government -- it has a perpetual, royalty free licence to use any patent it wishes, any way it wishes. Frequently disasterously.

    Once debugged (meat), the mfr will probably be able to sell the devices to the govt. If they charge too much, the GSA (procurement) will go out for bids. Local and state bomb squads will have more trouble, but the Federal govt could just give them detectors under some fancy pgm.

  4. upping the ante... by da5idnetlimit.com · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ok, that means that to build a bomb you need laboratory equipment with gas control (think big glass box) and a tight seal allowing you access to the INSIDE of the bomb container.

    you then have to find a way to seal the container air-tight (low-tech :generous grease application for example) then flush air, introduce clean container cap, close container...

    ok.. we just upped the ante and non-professionnal bomb makers won't be able to make the technological jump...=>more security

    but it's nothing that someone with some organisation couldn't do...but we have to assume anyone with that sort of hardware is checked and easier to find out.

    Alas, after going through this procedure (or any other they think of) they (terrorists-bomber-mad(wo)men now only have to get said night visions googles and green laser and test it themselves...

    just another check in in the seemingly already complicated art of making bombs (I wouldn't know, as IANAB -I Am Not A Bomber - 8p )

    I think they should have kept it a secret longer, even if they precised it was already one year old...

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    1. Re:upping the ante... by Carnildo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's no indication that old-fashoned blackpowder will trigger the detector, and if fertilizer won't trigger it, then a fertilizer/fuel oil mix probably won't either.

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  5. All Is Patentable!! by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Funny

    So the physical fact that green lasers and NVGs can be used to detect explosives, of resideue, (or soap), is now a patentable process.

    Never mind all that stuff about physical phenomena being unpatentable. Here at the USPTO we grant with prejudice to trifling things like gross obviousness, unoriginality and indeed patentablity itself.

    Applicants for patents on Earth, Air, Fire and Water are now currently being considered.

    P.S.
    If anyone, including all you foreigners, doesn't like it, be prepared for our lawyers to WIPO you into povert^H^H^H^H^H^Hsubmission.

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    1. Re:All Is Patentable!! by francisew · · Score: 2, Informative

      They're patenting the creation of such a device (characteristic filters and design) for use as an explosives detector. This is reasonable. As much as patenting a light bulb or a new kind of car engine. A light bulb is just a fancy resistor in a clear vacuum case, right? New LED's are just chemicals stuck between electrode's, right?

      This is pretty basic chemistry, and it is quite interesting. My lab does similar stuff in the biomedical/chemical sensing area. We avoid work that involve weapons and things that can become 'projects of the year' (funding that appears and dissapears suddenly).

      It is also nice to be able to publish your work, instead of having it classified. I have heard that some people who get into industrially or militarily classified research projects can't publish their work after (I don't know how many people this affects?). This can hamper their prospects for graduation, and means they can't use it as experience for getting other jobs.

  6. Instant Application Around The World by VernonNemitz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They've been looking for a good remote land mine sensor. Maybe this is it!

    1. Re:Instant Application Around The World by charlesbakerharris · · Score: 2, Funny

      Crap. I was just gonna try and buy a house in Kandahar, and now land mine sensors come along and drive the freaking price through the proverbial mud roof... Just what I needed.

  7. What about a bomb in a bag or backpack? by Zachary+Kessin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can it see if a bag contains a bomb or some one's school books from outside? That would be useful. I have lost count of how many times I have been held up because someone left a bag somewhere and they had to call in the bomb squad to see if it is a bomb or someone's laundry/groceries/school books etc. This is not a place where you want false negatives!

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  8. Easy to Fool? by LightForce3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the detection scheme described in the article (two infrared sensors, one with a 705-nm filter, and the other without a filter to eliminate false positives) be easy to fool by masking the explosive with another substance that also photoluminesces at 705-nm?

    For example, suppose non-explosive substance foo photoluminesces at and around 705-nm, and is normally allowed past the detector because it lacks the special signature. If you were to put a bunch of foo in the same container as your explosive, thereby combining the infrared signatures (if that's actually what would happen), couldn't you fool the detector?

    Of course, the article is light on real details, and I'm no chemistry expert, so maybe it's not that easy to fool.

  9. Send green lasers to the troops in Iraq now! by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They already have the night-vision goggles. Might only work for detection at night, but that's better than the current status quo...

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  10. Doesn't chaff defeat any detection device? by patniemeyer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've always wondered about this... Whether it's dogs sniffing drugs or million dollar machines sniffing for explosives - Why don't the bad guys just contaminate the entire area so that you can't use the detector? I mean, wouldn't somebody walking around spilling some nitrate material all over the airport carpets just ruin that airport permanently?

    If it's so sensitive that the bad guys can't cleanse themselves of it, how could one possibly clean an entire airport?

    Pat

  11. Useful only as first-screen method by Muhammar · · Score: 3, Informative

    1) This is simple, non-contact method but it relies on a spectral signature general for nitramines and nitro-aromatics. Some chemicals used in parfumery (artificial musk scent) have nitro groups - so there will be false positives.

    2) This method will not work for acetonperoxide (the super-unstable explosive prefered by Palestinian suicide bombers and the wannabe shoe-bomber Reid - because acetonperoxide does not contain any nitros) and for fertilizer bombs (no volatile nitroorganics there).

    3)Also, this detection method can be fooled by masking the narrow fluorescence signature of nitro explosives by adding other chemicals with broad fluorescence to confuse the instrument into thinking "this is a false positive". All it takes for the bad guys to get hold of the detection device and experiment with some common household, drugstore or paintshop materials to find the right stuff to spray onto their luggage making it immune for this detection. It may well be that a laundry softener or moskyto repellent can threw this techique off.

    4) The currently used swab-tests/mass spectrometry analysis at the airports recognize very characteristic ion mass (of the parent molecule and its fragments) - the signal pattern unique for each explosive, so this masspec method is harder to fool and less likely to give false positives.

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