Political Ads Reach P2P World

samuel4242 writes " Some of the Creative Commons folks wrapped a skin around the Internet Archive to create the P2P-Politics site filled with ads about this election. You've heard of this election, right? It's an interesting spin on the notion of P2P because the ads themselves are cached on the Internet Archives big servers, but email forwards links from P to P. Sort of like passing a pointer instead of the data structure. Some of the ads are thoughtful, some include stars, and some are a bit scary. For some reason, there seem to be very few from the Bush supporters and it's anyone's guess why."

Comments

Re:Bush is a genius. People just don't understand

[genrader]

Bush is as smart as a lima bean. Kerry is as smart as a pinto bean.

If you vote for either of them, you're wasting a vote. Third party all the way. Peroutka, Badnarik, Nader, Cobb...they all are vastly superior to Bush and Kerry.

no firefox support

[mabu]

You gotta love a site that doesn't appear to support Firefox.

It said I lacked the proper plugin. I even installed the latest version of Quicktime and it still didn't work.

Re:no firefox support

[Fubar420]

Works fine in Camino, on OSX...

Re:no firefox support

[evilmousse]

it worked for me, and i had quicktime
installed months before i ever installed
firefox.

Re:no firefox support

[mabu]

That's what I get for upgrading to newer versions of QT probably. I hate that stupid virus-like program.

Re:no firefox support

[BandwidthHog]

Works fine for me (Firefox 0.10.1, Mac OS X 10.3.5, 3mbit cable).

My mom (WinXP SP2, Firefox 0.10.1, dialup at work) said the video was fine, but the sound was garbled.

Maybe you're just not doing it right.

*ducks*

Re:no firefox support

[Nacon74]

I had the same problem, I don`t remember exactly what I did to fix it. It was some setting in Quicktime, preferences -> MIME Settings -> "and then I forgot what I did :)"

Re:Bush is a genius. People just don't understand

[Poppler]

Peroutka isn't [better than Bush or Kerry].

I'd venture to say he is. From his site:

Terror is not an enemy. Terror is the tactic of an enemy. A war on a tactic will, in all likelihood, never end because the object of the war, the tactic, can never be eradicated. This type of war will always be an endless, confusing tragedy.
That is, I fear, what we have in the case of Iraq. We should get the troops out now.

And we have John Kerry just saying he will do the same thing Bush is doing, only "better" and "stronger". You be the judge.

I'm assuming your objection to Peroutka is based on the fact that he's very conservative. Well, I'd rather have a real conservative in office than one of the neo-conservative or neo-liberal douchebags on the major party tickets. I don't agree with Peroutka's positions on seperation of church and state, women in the military, and his very strict anti-abortion platform (I support exemptions when the mother's life is in danger). But at least this guy seems to have a conscience.

Re:Bush is a genius. People just don't understand

[An Onerous Coward]

The coward is correct about Peroutka. I was going to say that I would give Bush four more terms before letting this nutjob take the helm, but then I realized that the moment he took office, everyone would stop taking the presidency seriously. Having a complete loon occupying the White House would just be harmless entertainment.

If you see any difference between the two candidates at all, and you're in a close state, you should vote for the lesser evil, not the guy-you-really-want-but-doesn't-have-a-shot-at-get ting-elected. Try hopping over to Votepair.org, and support your candidate without turning him into a dreaded spoiler.

Monster Slash

[druske]

Hey, it's almost Halloween; don't leave out Bobby Pickett's Monster Slash , a rework of his 1962 Monster Mash that sings the praises of Bush's environmental policy. You'll need flash to see the movie. Enjoy!

Re:bias

[Vile Slime]

> > For some reason, there seem to be very few from the Bush supporters and it's anyone's guess why.

> well if there were this story likely wouldn't have been published on the /. homepage. i hate bush, but i hate bias as news more.

I agree on the bias part. What's worse, is that somebody out there modded it flamebait...

Much more likely...

[temojen]

Most of them are from the "Bush in 30 Seconds" contest from moveon.org. The Bush campaign hasn't had a comperable contest.

Quicktime?

[temojen]

They're mpegs.

I view source, copy out the address, and use wget. That way I also get to keep the file.

US presidential debates 1960-1984

[jamienk]

I ripped these older Presidential debates from various websites. It was a pain to get them. Dowload the torrent here or here or here

• 1960: JFK vs Nixon first TV debate (4 debates, only 1st one in total)
  
  
• 1976: Ford vs Carter (Johnson didn't debate Goldwater in '64, Humphrey didn't debate Nixon in '68, Nixon didn't debate McGovern in '72)
  
  
• 1980: Carter vs Reagan
  
  
• 1984: Reagan vs Mondale
  
  

Low quality Real Video files ripped from streamings from the web.

If you have other debates, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, Presidential and/or VP, or higher-quality of the above, PLEASE POST!

Re:US presidential debates 1960-1984

[$exyNerdie]

If you have other debates, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, Presidential and/or VP, or higher-quality of the above, PLEASE POST!

Here are 2000 debates:
2000 three presidential debates and one vice presidential debates

Here too

Re:Bush is a genius. People just don't understand

[secolactico]

But he's got a Badwin as a viceprez! How bad can it be?

I hope it's either Stephen or Alec. The other 90 Baldwins in Hollywood haven't done anything interesting.

Re:No Bush Supporters?

[genrader]

I found Jesus, would rather vote for Bush than Kerry (Although I see Peroutka and Badnarik as better choices and will vote for one of them), and use the Internet. Know at least a hundred people like that too.

Re:bias

[Doc Ruby]

"The facts are clearly biased against George Bush" - John Stewart

And the Slashdot mods are clearly biased against fairness, I can say from ample experience.

Re:bias

[Doc Ruby]

Well, "ample" = biased; I have vastly more experience being mod'ed than mod'ing.

think before you vote

[Doc Ruby]

You might not like Kerry, but you can hardly fault his intelligence. How can you back that up? Then again, if you're voting for someone who is only a spoiler for Kerry, and therefore tacitly reelecting Bush, maybe you're not so smart yourself. The smart person who rejects Bush and Kerry votes for Kerry, because he's not destroying the country, and donates time and money to a third party. So next time the party can increase its chances not only of winning, but of breaking the party duopoly. Just voting for them merely makes you part of the 0.5% that keeps them a laughingstock in our sad system that makes elections a choice not among candidates, but among possible winners.

Re:think before you vote

[Brandybuck]

You might not like Kerry, but you can hardly fault his intelligence. How can you back that up?

Oh wow! I haven't seen rebuttals like that since kindergarten!

Ed: "Both your daddys are beans! Ha ha! One's a lima bean and one's a pinto bean! Ha ha!"

Ted: "Aaaah! Mom! He called daddy a name!"

Fred: "Shut up Ted, you sound like an idiot!"

Re:think before you vote

[Doc Ruby]

That's a fairly sophisticated playground technique you've nurtured. One twit says something stupid equating the intellects of a moron president and a brainy challenger, I ask for backup, and you reduce the equation to they are beans! By quoting us as if we were all children, not just you and the twit. That must get you beat up a lot, smarty pants.

Re:think before you vote

[Brandybuck]

I double checked your quote, and I was right the first time: you're all pissed because someone is equating the intelligence of a skull-n-bones yalie to a skull-n-bones yalie. I didn't reduce the equation to beans, the ORIGINAL post did that!

Re:think before you vote

[Doc Ruby]

From

'Bush is as smart as a lima bean. Kerry is as smart as a pinto bean.'

to

'Ed: "Both your daddys are beans! Ha ha! One's a lima bean and one's a pinto bean! Ha ha!"'

You changed the equation from "smart as" to "is". That's stupid. Almost as stupid as pretending you didn't. And stupider than changing "beans" to "skull and bones yalies". Almost as stupid as equating their college status to their intelligence, not nearly as stupid as calling Kerry stupid. Please don't bother replying; I don't want to have to use the word "stupider" again.

Re:think before you vote

[Brandybuck]

You awesome erudition and perspicacity has rendered me speechless...

Kerry's the only sane one left

[Doc Ruby]

No, Kerry has made clear that he won't shoehorn Iraq into the "forever war" on Terror. Unlike Bush, Kerry doesn't have the criminally vested interests in oil, Halliburton and neocon apocalypse. Bush will lead us into a draft the same way he's led us into a permanent recession, busted budget, and completely divided country: by "accident", somebody else's fault.

Just to indulge the inanity of considering voting for Peroutka: he's running on the "GOD FAMILY REPUBLIC" ticket (his words). Bush isn't zealously rightwing enough for this crank. For this wingnut, Bush is "pro-abortion", the Christian Coalition is failing to "properly educate God's people", and approaches the US as a christian kingdom he'd rule benevolently. C'mon - these people deserve to run, because the functionally insane deserve to vote. But you don't have to join them.

Re:Kerry's the only sane one left

[delus10n0]

It's funny that the whole draft bill was introduced into the senate by democrats, and was completely shot down recently (only 2 people voted for it, and they were the ones who introduced it, go figure.)

So, anything else you want to try and scare college/high school kids with?

Re:Kerry's the only sane one left

[Doc Ruby]

Sure: the backdoor draft, for those naive enough to think that enlisting for a tour will get the chances of being fed into the Iraqmire meat grinder over with quickly. Thanks for the invite. While we're at it, we can note that the Democrats tried to get a draft started before the war, to prevent rich and connected Republicans from avoiding the effects on their families of sending other kids to war for them. Bush's "no draft" plans will turn out to be "misunderstimations" of the failure to recruit, already underway, when he flipflops to the "last resort" draft in a heartbeat (someone else's, of course).

Re:Kerry's the only sane one left

[Poppler]

I understand that Kerry is better than Bush on the war. Which is why I am voting for him if my state is close.
I would not vote for Peroutka regardless, I disagree with him on too much. I don't think he's completly insane, he's just VERY conservative. I personally put foreign policy pretty high on my list of prioreties, so to me he isn't the absolute worst candidate. While I am an atheist and am uncomfortable with some of his religious platforms, I would honestly prefer him to Bush.

I'm not joining them! I'm just not as freaked by this guy as many others seem to be - I'm much more afraid of Bush and his henchmen.

Re:Kerry's the only sane one left

[Doc Ruby]

Bush is scarier because he could win. That's scary not only because of the seriousness of the threat, but scary because tens of millions of Americans will vote for him. Hitler was almost elected Chancellor, by millions of Germans, then appointed by the ancient ruler. We're not that different now, just a somewhat different roster of scapegoats. BTW, don't let any bunch of nerds fool you into shutting off your brain by invoking some "Godwin's Law" claptrap: Hitler was a real person, not a mythological demon, and fascism hasn't changed much since its first wave of popularity.

Re:Kerry's the only sane one left

[delus10n0]

It's great to call something what it isn't.

What you linked to is not a "draft", and it's stupid that they're calling it a "backdoor draft".

When you join the military, it's all right there. You may be required to commit longer than your actual term. If you don't understand or agree with that, then you probably shouldn't be in the military.

Also, if you've joined the military just to get a (nearly) free ride to college, you're probably in it for the wrong reasons as well.

I have a few friends in various branches of the service, and they all have expressed to me their desire to go back (re-up) after their commitment dates, and to actually _go back_ into Iraq/Afghanistan. Go figure. Maybe someone should do a poll about what the soldiers think.

While we're at it, we can note that the Democrats tried to get a draft started before the war, to prevent rich and connected Republicans from avoiding the effects on their families of sending other kids to war for them.

[Wasn't that from Farhenheit 9/11?] If that's truly the reason, it makes "Democrats" look incredibly silly and childish. The whole sending "kids" to war phrase needs to go away. Do you call someone who is 18+ a kid or child? Nor do I think "upper class" or "rich" people (not just Republicans) tend to avoid the service. I think you'll find a diverse population of people who want to serve just like you'll find a diverse population of people who don't want to serve.

Re:Kerry's the only sane one left

[Doc Ruby]

People are calling it a draft because it's involuntary military servitude - they're not parsing the words like some White House lawyer. Even people who are drafted signed agreements to comply with the Selective Service system - and involuntary service isn't voluntary, even though you signed up for it. Not enough are serving to support Bush's chosen war in Iraq. And what happens when a nondiscretionary demand for our troops comes up?

HULK is going to be angry there is no HULK ads!!!

[Hulkster]

Hulk check out Puny Human P2P web site.
Hulk notice no ads for Hulk.
Hulk is running for President
Hulk is getting angry - may SMASH Puny Human P2P site - GRRRRR!!!!!

Content-disposition

[Doc Ruby]

This email/WWW wrapper is exactly what the email MIME header "Content-disposition:" is for. You send me a message, including "Content-disposition: " including some state arguments describing the object that the URL points to. When I read (not just receive) the message, my email reader gets the object at the URL, subject to my preferences, including "retrieve on receive". If your URL points to coral or some other web cache, or your proxy caches URLs for your entire organization, the URL persists, or your email reader just caches it. This way, the sender sends "attachments" only to those who want it, when we want it. And instead of just including URLs in messages, there's a well defined behavior for encoding and retrieving them, that the UI makes seamless.

Content-disposition has been part of the MIME standard for a decade, during which the WWW and URLs have passed it by, to their mutual detriment. I've never seen a good, certainly not popular, email client that implemented it. I'd hack it into my Evolution source code, but I don't know if Ximian/Novell would integrate it, and it's worthless unless both ends use it. I wish the Net would catch up with MIME - and not just to stop it from its incessant "walking against the wind" ;).

Re:Content-disposition

[irc.goatse.cx troll]

Wouldn't that work a little too well for spam harvesting? like the current trick of embeding img's with unique ids in the url, only less known.

Re:Content-disposition

[Doc Ruby]

It could, if you automatically retrieved all URLs. But it's the same as HTML email: the default is "off", and senders are matched against your contacts list. The strength of C-d is *not* downloading the URL, unless confirmed by the reading user.

The facts are biased

[antizeus]

Actually it was Rob Corddry who said that (or rather, something close to that).

Corddry: How does one report the facts in an unbiased way when the facts themselves are biased?

Stewart: Im sorry, Rob, did you say the facts are biased?

Corddry: Thats right Jon. From the names of our fallen soldiers to the gradual withdrawal of our allies to the growing insurgency, its become all too clear that facts in Iraq have an anti-Bush agenda.

Re:The facts are biased

[Doc Ruby]

Those guys are doing the best TV since the Original Not Ready for Primetime Players. Thanks for the reference; how well do you think
"the facts are clearly biased against George Bush" - a la _The Daily Show_ maintains their implicit GPL ;)?

Re:You lack logic.

[BandwidthHog]

He's a troll. A troll 'for' the left. I think he despises Bush as much as I do, but has adopted the tactic of pretending to speak for the Bush side in as offensive a manner as possible in an effort to discredit them. To each their own, I suppose.

I'd like to think that this administration's record speaks quite adequately to their inadequacy, but seeing as how almost half of us intend to vote for these assclowns, perhaps not.

Carry on then.

Re:Bush is a genius. People just don't understand

[BandwidthHog]

Having a complete loon occupying the White House would just be harmless entertainment.

You must be new here.

Why no GOP ads?

[teamhasnoi]

My guess is that the GOP would like them to be a transitory and additive experience.

Why draw attention to your disinformation campaign?

Re:No Bush Supporters?

[flyingsquid]

There's a hilarious Mad Magazine spoof of the Bush campaign and how it might treat Jesus Christ. http://www.dailykos.com/images/user/3/jesusbush.jp g However, it does a good job of raising a serious issue, though: Bush talks like a Christian, but he doesn't act according to Christian values. Humility? Charity? Turning the other cheek? Compassion? Love of your fellow man? Hardly.

Re:HULK is going to be angry there is no HULK ads!

[finkployd]

OOG THE CAVEMAN you are not.

Re:Those who support Bush are not book readers.

[Doc Ruby]

TV and relative wealth lets us believe that politics is for "experts" who "know best" and have the "public trust". Since our country was founded on opposite principles of participation and distrust, the ease of that path is seductive, until it comes home to roost. By then, it's too late, as the media has moved to serve the powers that be: the government that controls their profits, and vice versa. That corporate/government mutual perpetuation was called "fascism" by its Italian founders, and it hasn't changed much.

Re:No Bush Supporters?

[genrader]

Funny, people only use the most popular verses (which are usually taken out of context anyway) to support claims to not being Christian-like. The Bible says turn the other cheek, and America's turned cheeks plenty of times when a few Americans died here and a few there, but I think we have run out and we needed to attack terrorism.

Re:You lack logic.

[Tyndmyr]

Attention:

As a result of your ability to grasp basic logic, and then accusing others of same, your posting priveleges and breathing rights have been revoked. Continuation of such is in violation of L-4678-B, often known as Catch 22. Have a nice rest of your life.

Dept of Stupidity Eradication

It's not just P2P !! Online games too!

[forgotten_my_nick]

Anyone who plays city of heroes go to Pinnicle server and Atlas city. There you will see "Vote Bush 2004" character actively advertising and has been for some time.

Some of the players have taken offense by it, and created rebuttal characters but it appears that the advert is intentionally there.

LotR Spoof - Fellowship 9/11

[rm3friskerFTN]

There is also the iFilm website with several political homebrew short films

Fellowship 9/11 (Runtime: 14:49)

Michael Moore's searing examination of the Aragorn administration's actions in the wake of the tragic events at Helms Deep.

With his characteristic humor and dogged commitment to uncovering - or if necessary fabricating - the facts, Moore considers the reign of the son of Arathorn and where it has led us.

He looks at how - and why - Aragorn and his inner circle avoided pursuing the Saruman connection to Helms Deep, despite the fact that 9 out of every 10 Orcs that attacked the castle were actually Uruk-hai who were spawned in and financed by Isengard.

The official site is fellowship911.com