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Gizmodo Declares Blu-Ray Winner

13.7BillionYears writes "Gizmodo has a special feature covering the many details of the Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD battle based on the technical, financial, and commercial merits of the two contenders. They conclude that Blu-Ray is the clear winner on all three fronts. Hopefully the movie industry and electronics manufacturers will see the same logic and avert a format war."

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  1. Dial back the bias a little bit by erick99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Gizmodo probably has it right, with respect to Blu-Ray, but their article is so incredibly biased that it is difficult to lend it any credibility. It's not an objective article at all. They follow a high-school writing class "compare and contrast" format. However, for each feature that they discuss, they trash it for HD-DVD and then argue valiantly and gushingly for Blu-Ray. I would rather read an article written by a dispassionate science writer. They should stick to regurgitating press releases rather than trying to take on serious analysis. I like Gizmodo as a great place to make one stop to learn about new gadgets but I don't go there for any sort of analysis or good editorial content.

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    1. Re:Dial back the bias a little bit by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed. It would have been nice if they said *something* about HD-DVD's strengths and relative design. For example, which format is more resistant to consumer damage? Or at the very least, how about an HD-DVD link next to that bright, blue Blu-Ray link?

      I'm happy to know that Blu-Ray is a great format (and it really does appear to be a good format), but let's be somewhat objective here.

    2. Re:Dial back the bias a little bit by (SM)+Spacemonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, wonderful spin. Lets go through the article shall we.

      Blu Ray Wins (cause we already said so)

      Technical
      Blu Ray has larger capacity
      Blu Ray doesn't have backwards compatability, but thats a feature not a weakness!
      Blu Ray may have a lower production cost, we don't know for sure, but thats still a plus for Blu Ray
      Neither Blu Ray or the other one (we try not to mention the losers name) are going to use catridges. Point for Blu Ray

      Financial
      Blu Ray group has 70 members, the HD DVD forum has 220 members, but we saw this poster somewhere that only had 47 companies in support of HD DVD. So Blu Ray wins!
      The economic size of the Blu Ray members is bigger. Except for Microsoft. But you know. Microsoft may change its mind and support Blu Ray. Blu Ray wins this one as well! Wow go Blu Ray!

      Commerical
      Blu Ray has 30% of the commerical resellers market! HD DVD has 0%! It is quite obvious that the 70% currently undecided will chose Blu Ray, because we said it won already!

      Seriously, this article is not worth slashdot. It isn't worth anything.

    3. Re:Dial back the bias a little bit by madprof · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thank you. You have convinced me Blu-Ray is the way forward.

    4. Re:Dial back the bias a little bit by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 4, Informative

      Blu Ray doesn't have backwards compatability, but thats a feature not a weakness!

      Actually, this is a myth. The players are backward compatible, but the standard doesn't require it. Both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD players will play DVDs, the optics are available to take both the blue and red lasers in the same head assembly. Existing Blu-Ray players already play DVDs.

  2. GOOD by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I like having my optical media encased in some sort of protective barrier. it saves me from myself.

    As an American Slob(tm), I have a really slack attitude towards my optical media. Mostly due to how I can get away with it with everything else.

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  3. Go beta! by static0verdrive · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hopefully it turns out just like the VHS vs. Beta war of the late 70's/early 80's. Beta is better quality and deserves the title it so successfully....WAIT A MINUTE!!

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    1. Re:Go beta! by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Advice for savvy high-tech consumers:

      STAY 5 TO 10 YEARS BEHIND TECHNOLOGICALLY

      (less for computers, but same idea)

      That way, when the early adopters are through spending their hard-earned cash on stillborn formats and their latest-and-greatest readers, and a format emerges as the winner, and a couple of clever hackers devise a way to get around the media companies' "niceties" (zoning anybody), then you'll enjoy dirt-cheap players and a great variety of content.

      Of course, the next SuperDuperThingamabobEverybodyNeeds[TM] will already be there, but don't think for one second you need to stress over getting current, that's an artificial feeling created by PR hype from the format pushers. You'll get the shit a lot cheaper than your neighbour in a few years, no worries...

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  4. Who with the what now? by Kenja · · Score: 4, Funny

    Who are these people and why should I care what they think? At first glance Gizmodo seems like a geek hanging out in EB down at the local mall expounding on why the PS2 is better then the xbox to anyone foolish enough to enter his rant field.

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  5. Logic? by aborchers · · Score: 5, Funny
    movie industry and electronics manufacturers will see ... logic


    You're new to this business aren't you?

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  6. My worry is... by MonsieurPiedlourde · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems that the more data that you throw onto a 5" disc the less resilience to scratches there are. I understand that a lot of these discs will use redundancy to counteract the increased sensitivity to scratches. I would assume that would cut into the amount of data that can be stored on the disc. Am I wrong in assuming that being that the discs are 72x the capacity of a CD ROM that the information density is 72X more. If the discs have 72x the amount of information in a given area, wouldn't the disc be 72x more susceptible to scratches. I've noticed this when comparing CD to DVD's.

    So why dump the cartridges?

  7. given that by WormholeFiend · · Score: 4, Funny

    gizmodo.com and fleshbot.com are run by the same people, and written in the same style, it's no surprise that these guys vote for whatever gives them an erection.

  8. Reading comprehension by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Did you read the bit where he said HD-DVD has NO web page yet?

    And resistant to consumer damage - What the hell does that have to do with ANYTHING? It comes down to hardware/media price and avialiablity.

    If 33%+ of the movie libaries are availiable in Blu-Ray, and NONE are availiable in HD-DVD - which would you image might be a more attractive purcahse? Even if HD-DVD discs can be run over by a truck and the Blu-Ray discs have to be kept in nitrogen cannisters between playing, the format that will get consumer marketshare is blindingly obvious.

    Finally, I would say that he did give a numbre of details for technical advantages of the HD-DVD format - which have then been met and worked around by the Blu-Ray companies.

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  9. Why Blu Ray Will Win by jetkust · · Score: 5, Funny

    Because "HD DVD" is too hard to say. Blu-Ray is easy and quick to say. 2 syllables: Blu, Ray. It's even easier to say that DVD, which is 3. Blu-Ray is a pronounciation dream. HD DVD is an acronym nightmare. Nobody wants to deal with that mess.

    1. Re:Why Blu Ray Will Win by Darth+McBride · · Score: 5, Funny

      Blu-Ray is a pronounciation dream. HD DVD is an acronym nightmare.

      Since HD-DVD uses a red laser, should we call it Red-ROM?

      Red-ROM is way easier to say and it appeals to the Stephen King fans.

      Anyway, this is the most boring Red vs. Blue episode I've ever seen.

  10. What is in a name? by clusterix · · Score: 4, Interesting
    HD-DVD could be lower quality than regular DVD and have a fighting chance against something called Blu-Ray.

    Since most people will recognize HD-DVD must be somehow better than DVD while Blu-Ray could be anything from enhanced color laundry detergent to insecticide. Without a ton of marketing and consumer education Blu-Ray will simple lose when the average couch potato goes to buy a new player from the local electronics megabarn.

    While this has little to do with why BetaMax (nor why every other Sony proprietary standard has failed), Blu-Ray has some serious marketing problems to over come.

  11. Re:Dual Compatability? by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "How feasable would it be to have devices support both formats, the same way most DVD-writers now are +/- R. Are blu-ray and hd dvd too different or could we end up seeing the same kind of thing where both formats are supported by most devices."

    This multiple format business is a mess. Look at the problems with SACD and DVD-A. Nobody is buying them (and if the music industry stopped suing people and promoted those formats that are so much better than downloaded music they would actually make more money because there is new value there.)

    But back to the topic at hand: The industry would benefit more from having ONE SINGLE TRUE UNIFIED STANDARD as opposed to a couple of standards, which would confuse people. The public at large (Joe Sixpack) gets all confused with this 2-format thing. They want to buy a movie and play it, not worry about if this disc will play on their type of player. When we have one unified standard, confusion is reduced, people cam just buy buy buy and made the industry happy. The the industry focus can be put on actually releasing content and worthwhile stuff, as opposed to teaching consumers that they need a different player for their Fox releases versus some other studio and then wondering why people don't buy any of these confusing and conflicting products.

    Dear next-gen disc industry: ONE STANDARD PLEASE!

  12. Actually that could be OK. by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Obviosuly either side is going to make discs that won't die when you sneeze.

    But in fact a funny point sis that durability could be a major strike AGAINST HD-DVD. Did you read the part about Blu-Ray discs printed on paper? That could mean a lot more opportunity for throw-away discs in magazines or cerial boxes or wheverer. That is a huge draw to media types, to be able to push media through more channels.

    So again, I would say the duribility of the format has nothing to do with sucess. Ease of use, yes - to some extent (which is why they aren't giving any cart-based players to the masses). The primary factor will be the one with a majority of media companies getting behind it and making things people want to buy. If there were a split between some media supporting one format, and some another, then there might be more of a fight - but it looks to be an absolute domination the part of Blu-Ray, as they said from any standpoint you care to look that would indicate future sales potential.

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  13. Re:Here's the Trick by eggoeater · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, that sounds kind of ...naive.

    Instead of just blindly going with one format over another, how about we see how these maturing technology standards develop and then make an INFORMED DECISION based on how they actually work. Agreed, consumers don't want to go through VHS/Beta again and neither do the manufacturers. There's more to it than jumping on the nearest bandwagon.

    I lost my sig.

  14. Re:Which codec will be used for HD-DVDs? by Leykis101 · · Score: 5, Informative

    article on H.264
    http://www.guidetohometheater.com/news/062804apple /

    According to a few articles, Microsoft is endorsing HD-DVD for the adoption of WMV9 codec

    here
    here
    here
    here
    then again, Paul Thurrot is to Microsoft as Rush Limbaugh to The Republicans

    YIKES!!!!

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  15. It's simple, really... by 14erCleaner · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just find out which format Sony is backing, and pick the other one.

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