Posted by
CmdrTaco
on from the well-they're-just-so-much-cuter dept.
Kamalot writes "JoyStiq is reporting that the new Nintendo DS pre-orders are outselling the new slimmed-down version of the PS2 in Japan as well as the Xbox. Outselling the Xbox is easy though. They sold less than 200 in Japan last month."
Re:Interesting.
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hypermike
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ID like to know as well how "people" got burned. Even if you find the games to be too expensive buy a blank GBA cartridge and basically rip all your games to it.
i am not sure which is more impressive, the fact XBOX is getting absolutely hammered in Japan or the fact there's a way to track the fact less than 200 units were sold...
nintendo is still a very, very strong brand in japan, more so than in the states. a lot of people (like myself) grew up in japan with famicom being the first video game system they played...
One thing you are forgetting.
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Anonymous Coward
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I think the majority of you dont know the japanese gamer and why Ps2 has sold gazillions in Japan. Everytime a new color, or special edition PS2 has come out in Japan, it has sold millions. A lot of japanese gamers own more than 1 working Ps2 just for collectors sake. Its not very uncommon over there, and it IS surprising that the new PStwo isn't doing as well.
Re:XBox less than 200 units? Is that really accura
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be-fan
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Um, the Japanese love Americans*. The poor sales of the XBox have nothing to do with the Japanese hating Americans. The biggest problem with with the XBox is two-fold:
1) It was late to the scene, and the PS2 was *very* well established by that time;
2) It's gaming library isn't really what the Japanese like. XBox games are more like PC games and less like console games. It's heavy on sports titles, and light on console style RPGs and platformers.
*) So do people in most other countries, which Americans would realize if they actually traveled abroad. Even in Paris, people couldn't have been nicer as I tried to communicate in my heavily yankee-accented broken French:)
-- A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
Re:Just to clarify
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minus_273
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well there is also that factor called NATIONALISM.It is somehting that is a rather alien concept in the west these days. I dont mean it as an insult. I am sure that we have all noticed this in recent years.
-- The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
Re:XBox less than 200 units? Is that really accura
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Gizzmonic
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· Score: 2, Interesting
XBox is superior hardware, and good gaming library, why is it doing so poorly
Superior to what? The Xbox library is made up mostly of games that are ported from another platform (PS2 or Windows).
In Japan, apartmetn space comes at a premium, and most are unwilling to give up that space for a huge-ass system like the Xbox, without some great exclusive games. Ninja Gaiden and Halo just aren't good enough.
I'm sure cultural bigotry has a little to do with it, but so does Microsoft's cavalier attitude towards the Japanese market. It has cost them, and I doubt they'll be able to gain a foothold in Japan unless they buy out a huge developer like Konami or Capcom...
-- (-1, Raw and Uncut is the only way to read)
Re:How well will it hold on?
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Babbster
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"Slightly better"? I know they're just screenshots available now, but the graphics upgrade looks pretty serious (and before anyone hits me with "gameplay over graphics," the jump to 3D from 2D is potentially a huge difference in gameplay). In addition, they've added a second LCD with touchscreen capability. Wireless connectivity adds yet another dimension to the beast (a shock frankly with the healthy profit margin on Nintendo's cables).
You could easily argue that the various incarnations of the monochrome Gameboy, and even the Gameboy Color, were weak upgrades. But the Gameboy Advance was a huge step and the GBA SP fixed a serious problem with the original. As above, the DS is another big change.
Short version: Your fingers are typing but your brain might not be keeping up.
Re:Not too surprising...
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SamSim
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Um... how about people like me, who don't own a PS2 but are considering buying one, now that they're smaller, cheaper and have a large proven back catalogue of great games?
Even Relevant?
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DanteBlack
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As many people have pointed out this is no surprise. But is it relevant? The DS is a new system, the slim PS2 is a new form factor. The real test will be against the Sony portable system. This here is just smoke and mirrors comparing system sales from different target markets. Pu-shaw.
-- I am invisble, and you can't see me.
Re:XBox less than 200 units? Is that really accura
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andr0meda
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· Score: 2, Interesting
So do people in most other countries, which Americans would realize if they actually traveled abroad. Even in Paris, people couldn't have been nicer as I tried to communicate in my heavily yankee-accented broken French:)
I knew it! I knew that they still existed. Americans saying positive things about French people! You, sir, make my evening!
(no, I'm not French myself)
-- With great power comes great electricity bills.
When the XBox first came out...
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lpangelrob2
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· Score: 4, Interesting
...Microsoft stood by Japan as the "must break into" market in order for the product launch to have really been a success... with Europe being a more secondary market.
Does anyone who's kept up with gaming news know if they've retreated from this statement? (Conceding that the Box is a decent threat to Sony stateside).
Re:What PS2?
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Fred+Or+Alive
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· Score: 2, Interesting
Have you seen any black Xboxes either? Everywhere I look it's the new Crystal Xbox with one controller (rather than the two controller version from earlier this year).
Rather annoying, I bought an Xbox last year, now a fancy better looking one appears to be becomming standard.;-)
-- 10 PRINT "LOOK AROUND YOU "; 20 GOTO 10
Re:Just to clarify
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Anonymous Coward
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Sure, but the DVD-drive stops working after about a year. At least it has done so one my two PS2. I will try to fix one this week. If I fail I must buy another PS2 so that I can play San Andreas this weekend.
Mmmm, organized crime.
Re:XBox less than 200 units? Is that really accura
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lpp
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Veering wildly off topic here, but... are you serious? I mean, really, the only viewpoints I see here stateside via the media indicate a level of loathing typically reserved for child molesters and people who talk during movies toward anything American.
So you're actually saying statistically significant numbers of people in (at least) France actually like America?
Sure, but the DVD-drive stops working after about a year. At least it has done so one my two PS2.
Yeah, I've got a couple friends with broken/glitchy PS2s as well. My PS1 started stuttering badly on audio/video streams after about 3 months of light use (and this was a model bought in '99). A friend of mine went through 4 (four) PS1s over 5 years.
I've also got a $200 Sony VCR that's maybe 3 years old, and has been used maybe 3 dozen times, that has gotten very finicky about playing movies.
I've sworn off Sony electronics. Here's hoping that my CD changer doesn't crap out in the next couple months.
If I fail I must buy another PS2 so that I can play San Andreas this weekend
And this is why my boycott won't work. Too many people are content with the idea of disposable hardware, and just accept the fact that they'll have to buy several of the same machine.
Here's a hint: if people would QUIT BUYING CRAP, maybe Sony would be forced to meet some quality standards. Or, maybe if people bought from Nintendo or Microsoft instead, developers would switch to those platforms.
Unfortunately, people KEEP BUYING CRAP.
--Jeremy
-- Jesus was a liberal
Is Microsoft used to selling 200 units?
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amichalo
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· Score: 2, Interesting
This interesting stat is just the latest thorn in the side of Microsoft and the less than stellar results the Xbox business unit has had in unseeting the industry leading Sony and their PS family of systems.
This is important because it is said whenever discussing on-line music or video for that matter that if Microsoft wants it, it can have it. (Referring of course to the question on many people's mind as to how long Apple can retain a 70% market share in legal music download.)
But if Sony, clearly better capitalized than Netscape, can defend it's turf against the agressor that fell the industry leading Navigator browser from it's #1 market position by simply giving Internet Explorer away for free as the default for the Windows OS, can Apple, or anyone else, defend their industry from MS?
Yeah it's off topic, but CmdrTaco brought it up!
-- I only came here to do two things; kick some ass, and drink some beer...looks like we're almost out of beer.
Re:Not too surprising...
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tonejava
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· Score: 2, Interesting
There are rumours a new GameBoy is in the works. I can't recall the link (nintendojo.com I think) but apprently DS is a new line of portable gaming and the Gameboy will continue to Advance (no pun intended) in parallel.
I'm still looking for the killer app
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Fiz+Ocelot
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I want to get a DS, but I can't get myself to preorder one if I don't know what game will be worth it. I haven't heard of what "the" must have game is yet....so what is it? Mario 64ds looks kinda cool. Metroid doesn't ship til 05. I don't want pokemon.
Way back in the day, FFVII sold me the PS1, Mario64 sold the N64, and gameboy advance sp was great because it still played my favorite game boy games. But I still don't know what to expect on the DS, hm. I'll probably get one anyway:P
Re:Not too surprising...
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colmore
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They had a dark few years in the middle 90s though.
They were really late getting N64 out, and it turned out to be only a moderate success. And let's not forget Virtual Boy...
Had it not been for Pokemon the company might have been in serious trouble.
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ID like to know as well how "people" got burned. Even if you find the games to be too expensive buy a blank GBA cartridge and basically rip all your games to it.
nintendo is still a very, very strong brand in japan, more so than in the states. a lot of people (like myself) grew up in japan with famicom being the first video game system they played...
I think the majority of you dont know the japanese gamer and why Ps2 has sold gazillions in Japan. Everytime a new color, or special edition PS2 has come out in Japan, it has sold millions. A lot of japanese gamers own more than 1 working Ps2 just for collectors sake. Its not very uncommon over there, and it IS surprising that the new PStwo isn't doing as well.
Um, the Japanese love Americans*. The poor sales of the XBox have nothing to do with the Japanese hating Americans. The biggest problem with with the XBox is two-fold:
:)
1) It was late to the scene, and the PS2 was *very* well established by that time;
2) It's gaming library isn't really what the Japanese like. XBox games are more like PC games and less like console games. It's heavy on sports titles, and light on console style RPGs and platformers.
*) So do people in most other countries, which Americans would realize if they actually traveled abroad. Even in Paris, people couldn't have been nicer as I tried to communicate in my heavily yankee-accented broken French
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
well there is also that factor called NATIONALISM.It is somehting that is a rather alien concept in the west these days. I dont mean it as an insult. I am sure that we have all noticed this in recent years.
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
XBox is superior hardware, and good gaming library, why is it doing so poorly
Superior to what? The Xbox library is made up mostly of games that are ported from another platform (PS2 or Windows).
In Japan, apartmetn space comes at a premium, and most are unwilling to give up that space for a huge-ass system like the Xbox, without some great exclusive games. Ninja Gaiden and Halo just aren't good enough.
I'm sure cultural bigotry has a little to do with it, but so does Microsoft's cavalier attitude towards the Japanese market. It has cost them, and I doubt they'll be able to gain a foothold in Japan unless they buy out a huge developer like Konami or Capcom...
(-1, Raw and Uncut is the only way to read)
You could easily argue that the various incarnations of the monochrome Gameboy, and even the Gameboy Color, were weak upgrades. But the Gameboy Advance was a huge step and the GBA SP fixed a serious problem with the original. As above, the DS is another big change.
Short version: Your fingers are typing but your brain might not be keeping up.
Um... how about people like me, who don't own a PS2 but are considering buying one, now that they're smaller, cheaper and have a large proven back catalogue of great games?
qntm.org
As many people have pointed out this is no surprise. But is it relevant? The DS is a new system, the slim PS2 is a new form factor. The real test will be against the Sony portable system. This here is just smoke and mirrors comparing system sales from different target markets. Pu-shaw.
I am invisble, and you can't see me.
So do people in most other countries, which Americans would realize if they actually traveled abroad. Even in Paris, people couldn't have been nicer as I tried to communicate in my heavily yankee-accented broken French
I knew it! I knew that they still existed. Americans saying positive things about French people! You, sir, make my evening!
(no, I'm not French myself)
With great power comes great electricity bills.
Does anyone who's kept up with gaming news know if they've retreated from this statement? (Conceding that the Box is a decent threat to Sony stateside).
-Rob
Marriage doesn't have to suck!
Have you seen any black Xboxes either? Everywhere I look it's the new Crystal Xbox with one controller (rather than the two controller version from earlier this year).
;-)
Rather annoying, I bought an Xbox last year, now a fancy better looking one appears to be becomming standard.
10 PRINT "LOOK AROUND YOU ";
20 GOTO 10
I hate PC games
Is that a "deep unwavering belief"?
Sure, but the DVD-drive stops working after about a year. At least it has done so one my two PS2. I will try to fix one this week. If I fail I must buy another PS2 so that I can play San Andreas this weekend.
Mmmm, organized crime.
Veering wildly off topic here, but... are you serious? I mean, really, the only viewpoints I see here stateside via the media indicate a level of loathing typically reserved for child molesters and people who talk during movies toward anything American.
So you're actually saying statistically significant numbers of people in (at least) France actually like America?
And I'm actually serious here, not trolling.
Sure, but the DVD-drive stops working after about a year. At least it has done so one my two PS2.
Yeah, I've got a couple friends with broken/glitchy PS2s as well. My PS1 started stuttering badly on audio/video streams after about 3 months of light use (and this was a model bought in '99). A friend of mine went through 4 (four) PS1s over 5 years.
I've also got a $200 Sony VCR that's maybe 3 years old, and has been used maybe 3 dozen times, that has gotten very finicky about playing movies.
I've sworn off Sony electronics. Here's hoping that my CD changer doesn't crap out in the next couple months.
If I fail I must buy another PS2 so that I can play San Andreas this weekend
And this is why my boycott won't work. Too many people are content with the idea of disposable hardware, and just accept the fact that they'll have to buy several of the same machine.
Here's a hint: if people would QUIT BUYING CRAP, maybe Sony would be forced to meet some quality standards. Or, maybe if people bought from Nintendo or Microsoft instead, developers would switch to those platforms.
Unfortunately, people KEEP BUYING CRAP.
--Jeremy
Jesus was a liberal
This interesting stat is just the latest thorn in the side of Microsoft and the less than stellar results the Xbox business unit has had in unseeting the industry leading Sony and their PS family of systems.
This is important because it is said whenever discussing on-line music or video for that matter that if Microsoft wants it, it can have it. (Referring of course to the question on many people's mind as to how long Apple can retain a 70% market share in legal music download.)
But if Sony, clearly better capitalized than Netscape, can defend it's turf against the agressor that fell the industry leading Navigator browser from it's #1 market position by simply giving Internet Explorer away for free as the default for the Windows OS, can Apple, or anyone else, defend their industry from MS?
Yeah it's off topic, but CmdrTaco brought it up!
I only came here to do two things; kick some ass, and drink some beer...looks like we're almost out of beer.
There are rumours a new GameBoy is in the works. I can't recall the link (nintendojo.com I think) but apprently DS is a new line of portable gaming and the Gameboy will continue to Advance (no pun intended) in parallel.
Way back in the day, FFVII sold me the PS1, Mario64 sold the N64, and gameboy advance sp was great because it still played my favorite game boy games. But I still don't know what to expect on the DS, hm. I'll probably get one anyway :P
They had a dark few years in the middle 90s though.
They were really late getting N64 out, and it turned out to be only a moderate success. And let's not forget Virtual Boy...
Had it not been for Pokemon the company might have been in serious trouble.
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