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DMCA Limited by Sixth Circuit Appeals Court

katharsis83 writes "Ars Technica and others are reporting that the Sixth Circuit Court has ruled against Lexmark in their lawsuit against a generic ink manufacturer. Here is a link to the ruling (EFF Website)."

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  1. Great news. by grub · · Score: 5, Interesting


    It's about time the "give them the razors, sell them the blades" approach the printer companies have taken gets a kick in the shorts. They'll still make zillions from selling cartridges but at least one may have the option of refilling or buying 3rd party cartridges.

    Think about it: why do some printer cartridges cost more than a cheap DVD player?

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    1. Re:Great news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      Forget about the cost of the ink as such. Why do some printer manufacturers insist on designing printers where you have a black cartridge, and a colour cartridge? None of this four separate "black, cyan, magenta, yellow" cartridge nonsense -- you buy one black cartridge, and one cartridge containing the cyan, magenta, and yellow inks bundled together.

      So when you run low on yellow, you have to buy a new set of cyan and magenta ink as well, and turf the unused cyan and magenta. For crying out loud. Canon can do it -- why can't other companies?

    2. Re:Great news. by LS · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why? I work for the HP Inkjet division and I'll tell you why HP cartridges are expensive - because they lose money on the printers, the rest of the company is in the red, the devices are becoming a commodity, the competition is driving margins down, and the upper management is greedy, so they compensate by charging outrageous prices for the cartridges and outsourcing work to Beijing, Singapore, and Bangalore.

      LS

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    3. Re:Great news. by packeteer · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If by "we" you mean activist judges. Stinkin activist judges are always trying to get their agenda across despite the "other" branches attempts to legislate our freedom away.

      Does anyone believe this crap out of GW about activist judges? Isn't that the idea behind our govt. that we learned in 8th grade? Each brances has certain checks and balances given them partial control over the other. Each branch is suposed to keep the others in line. An example being judges are be design "activists". They are suposed to uphold only the laws which are constitutional and uphold the values of those those that elected them or by proxy the values of the elected official that appointed them.

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    4. Re:Great news. by Guppy06 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "I got sick of the ink game. I bought a HP Laserjet 4m+ (the last of the *REALLY* beefy HP printers) for 75$ used. "

      Samsung has a small laser printer that's about the size of your typical inkjet that can be had for less than $100 or so. I got mine at a Sam's Club for ~$85.

  2. Its about darn time! by acadiel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe this will make things such as region lockout on videogame consoles, cell phone unlocking services, etc, legal.

    Then again, if you start taking the analogy this far, then you get into a paradox with DVD region encoding.

    Thoughts?

    1. Re:Its about darn time! by capnjack41 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      God only knows why this DVD region locking can happen to begin with. I'm pretty sure this shouldn't (shouldn't) be illegal to circumvent. As Cory Doctorow (an EFF guy) says in a speech to Microsoft about DRM:

      But anticirumvention lets rightsholders invent new and exciting copyrights for themselves -- to write private laws without accountability or deliberation -- that expropriate your interest in your physical property to their favor. Region-coded DVDs are an example of this: there's no copyright here or in anywhere I know of that says that an author should be able to control where you enjoy her creative works, once you've paid for them. I can buy a book and throw it in my bag and take it anywhere from Toronto to Timbuktu, and read it wherever I am: I can even buy books in America and bring them to the UK, where the author may have an exclusive distribution deal with a local publisher who sells them for double the US shelf-price.

      http://www.craphound.com/msftdrm.txt

  3. The only good DMCA . . . by wakejagr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    is a struck down DMCA, but this is a start.

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  4. Hurray! by Saint+Aardvark · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not only the right decision, but one that quotes Lawrence Lessig. How cool is that?

  5. Can we say wow? by shepd · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This really looks promising to make modchips legal in the USA (wow):

    "Generally speaking, "lock-out" codes fall on the functional-idea rather than the original-expression side of the copyright line. Manufacturers of interoperable devices such as computers and software, game consoles and video games, printers and toner cartridges, or automobiles and replacement parts may employ a security system to bar the use of unauthorized components. To "unlock" and permit operation of the primary device (i.e., the computer, the game console, the printer, the car), the component must contain either a certain code sequence or be able to respond appropriately to an authentication process. To the extent compatibility requires that a particular code sequence be included in the component device to permit its use, the merger and sc's 'aire doctrines generally preclude the code sequence from obtaining copyright."
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    1. Re:Can we say wow? by shepd · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A modchip is not acting as a replacement part. It does not 'unlock' or permit operation of the console. The purpose of a modchip is to bypass the signing mechanism used to prevent you from playing pirated games.

      Okay, time for a list of modchip uses:

      - Playing unofficial/unlicensed software (ex: Game Enhancer, which was almost definately first developed with the help of a modchip, since absolutely ZERO Sony code or patents were used to complete the software)
      - Using unofficial devices (ex: New max memory devices made by Datel)
      - Cheating devices (ex: Game genie by Galoob)
      - Playing backups
      - Bypassing region protection

      These are all locks placed on the device by the manufacturer in an attempt to stop the usage of third party items, such as:

      1 - Third party discs not authorized by the console manufacturer
      2 - Third party software not authorized by the console manufacturer
      3 - Third party hardware not authorized by the console manufacturer
      4 - Authorized software from the manufacturer that was not intended to be used in your country

      As far as I know, in all three situations, doing those things is legal. It is legal for me to put Maxell media in an HP burner (item 1), it's legal for me to install Windows XP to a Mac (item 2), it's legal for me to use a non sony DV tape in my Sony DV camcorder (item 3), and it's legal for me to watch a PAL videotape in the USA (item 4).

      Now, for some reason, the person who built the device decided for me they didn't like items 1 - 4. So they built the device not to allow this. Now this law says such locks are illegal. And since the actions were legal to start with, where's your beef?

      That someone might do items 1 - 4 with an illegal intent? Yeah, they could. In fact, you could install a pirated Windows XP on a Mac using an emulator. Does that make the emulator illegal? You could copy a copyrighted gameboy game into a blank flash memory cartridge and play it on your gameboy. Does that make computer memory illegal?

      This is no different than banning box cutters on airlines because you think a terrorist is going to slash your throat with one. You're using an (extremely poor) band-aid to cover up what is a societal problem that already has PLENTY of legal recourse against the act, and you are inconveniencing and embarassing people as you do it. It's nasty and wrong, and, quite honestly, it makes me, as an outsider, afraid to enter your country. It's no different than trying to ban chewing gum just because someone might stick it under a desk.

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  6. HIZZAH, Mod chips legal? by sPaKr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The article and ruleing go into the fact they at defating the control for interopartion is legal. So if I need a mod chip to boot linux or play my home brew game doesnt that make the mod chip its self legal. INAL but the opionon appears to be opening the door and leading to that the DMCA is vulnerable on several other grounds. Can this be leveraged to for mod chips, tivo hacks, maybe even the broadcast flag it self. Look at me Im drunk with power in burning the DMCA

  7. My favorite branch by nottestuser · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is why the judicial branch is my favorite. Sure, they don't always rule the way we geeks would like but at least they try to think instead of just doing what will get them re-elected.

    Executive is the figurehead, legestlative is the mob, judicial is the sanity. Sometimes.

  8. HP has done that already by he+who+meows · · Score: 2, Interesting

    HP was selling a line of inkjet printers called "Apollo". They actually had them in the front of grocery stores for a short time here (SF Bay Area). They were only $30, but the catch was that the cartridge was only about 1/2 or 2/3rds filled with ink. So when the ink went out, you would spend as much on ink as you did on the printer :-p. I don't if any other company had tried this though.

  9. Don't get your hopes up... by shaneh0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This case is pretty clear, in my opinion, and I doubt the Supreme Court would hear it even if Lexmark does appeal, which I don't think they will.

    But the DMCA won't really be tested until it's challenged in front of the Supreme Court, which has a tendency of leaning towards business interests in property disputes.

    One glimmer of hope is that the sixth circuit is 2/3 conservative, more resembling the high court then the liberal Ninth or Neo-Con Fourth. That might explain why it has the second best overturn record in the past 10 years, and it might mean that there's hope for our cause after all.

    This is one more reason the election next week matters. One more republican-appointed justice and you will see a sea change in our nations judiciary. Roe v. Wade (The right to have an abortion) gets most the press, but things like DCMA will be affected just as much.

  10. Re:Bloody PDFs by barc0001 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You can't read the link in your browser's status bar to see what it is before you click it?

  11. Anyone else read the partially dissenting opinion? by tlambert · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anyone else read the partially dissenting opinion?

    Judge Feikens claimed that, because Lexmark admitted that there was a "magic bit" that would turn off the TLP sequence, that SCC should have found it.

    This really presumes that they knew that there even was a "magic bit" in the first place.

    This is, IMO, insane. Without apriori knowledge of the existance of a bit even existing, how were they supposed to have found it?!?

    Other people might look at this as a victory against the DMCA, but I, for one, don't think that the judge who could have written that dissenting opinion still being a seated judge, able to hear future DMCA cases, using the same flawed logic, counts as a victory.

    Unfortunately, the position is appointed and not elected, so it's not like we're going to get rid of him as easily as voting someone else into office instead.

    -- Terry

  12. Re:Bought the game... by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let's say I sell you a kitchen table. You pay me $200 for a piece of shiny wood with 4 legs, which I deliver to your house. I make no mention of restrictions, but AFTER the sale, you notice a piece of paper stapled to the bottom of the table. It says that you didn't really buy the table, you bought a table usage license. I have placed restrictions on how you can use the table, such as in the kitchen only and only for eating. If you wish to keep an electronic device on the table such as a TV, radio, or even your cellphone charger, you have to pay me $10 a month in additional royalties. If you fail to comply with the terms, under the power of the DMCA I can enter your house, sieze the table along with anything that may be sitting on it, and require you to pay me a $500,000 penalty. Does this sound reasonable? Would it hold up in court?

  13. I hate to say I told you so... by RealProgrammer · · Score: 4, Interesting
    but I told you so. Well, not exactly. But this hacks off one of the abuses of the DMCA: using its protections for stuff that ought to be covered under a patent (if your work is so original as to merit a patent).

    The DMCA was "Copyright fix in the Internet Age, version 1". I expect Version 2 will be coming around shortly. There is a lot of pressure for action:

    • The patent system is broken, so people are trying to use copyright law in its place
    • The RIAA, MPAA, et al want piracy made a capital felony (it seems)
    • The blogs are taking over the role of news source from the mainscam media
    • Courts are getting smarter
    • Open Source principles are at work in business, as the dotcom bubble has given way to the network age
    • Politicians see the power of free information, especially in the way it affects their ability to campaign
    In short, we're all more sophisticated and just more used to the impact of technology than when the DMCA was made law in the late 90's. We'll probably be just as short-sighted next time around, but at least this batch of problems will be addressed. I hope.
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  14. OT: Great sig by DarkEdgeX · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Had to steal a deviation of it. :P

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  15. pirating ink by cbr2702 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This ruling is about the ability of people to replace the ink in their printers with ink made by people other than the printers' orgional manufacturers. DMCA may be in the title but this has nothing to do with pirating.

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  16. It just keeps getting better the more I read by Armethius · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It looks like these judges have an exceptional grasp of the technology stifling possibilities inherent in the DMCA. If you look in the concurring opinion you will find this passage:

    I write separately to emphasize that our holding should not be limited to the narrow facts surrounding either the Toner Loading Program or the Printer Engine Program. We should make clear that in the future companies like Lexmark cannot use the DMCA in conjunction with copyright law to create monopolies of manufactured goods for themselves just by tweaking the facts of this case: by, for example, creating a Toner Loading Program that is more complex and "creative" than the one here, or by cutting off other access to the Printer Engine Program. The crucial point is that the DMCA forbids anyone from trafficking in any technology that "is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a [protected] work." 17 U.S.C. 1201(2)(A) (emphasis added). The key question is the "purpose" of the circumvention technology. The microchip in SCC's toner cartridges is intended not to reap any benefit from the Toner Loading Program - SCC's microchip is not designed to measure toner levels - but only for the purpose of making SCC's competing toner cartridges work with printers manufactured by Lexmark.

    Not only did they smack down Lexmark in this abuse of the DMCA's (and copyright's) provisions, but they go so far as to state that the DMCA should be read to not apply to companies aiming to create a monopoly not supported by law.

    I only wish this was a SCOTUS ruling instead of a Circuit ruling. Apparently there are now conflicts with other Circuit rulings.

  17. Injuction - by morcheeba · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've been following this case and glad to hear this. SCC has been prevented from selling their product for about 8 months now ... will lexmark have to reimburse them for their lost sales? or, how about customers, who have been deprived of a legal cheaper product?

  18. Re:Don't break out the champaign yet by corporatemutantninja · · Score: 3, Interesting
    While this is a tactical victory, it does mean that it will be harder to completely overturn the DMCA. We (or the EFF...give them money please) will no longer be able to use these sorts of flagrant abuse cases for grounds of rethinking the whole thing.

    Lenin was opposed to trade unions because he was afraid their successes would appease the workers enough that they would lose interest in full revolution. Similar case here, methinks.

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  19. Re:Cato Institute on copyright by jeffasselin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    All you Libertarians are seriously deluding yourselves if you think leaving it in the hands of "the market" will solve anything.

    There is no "invisible hand", and "the market" is a non-entity. It's composed of essentially psychopathic entities (corporations) who cannot, by their very definition, take the interest of society in consideration. To believe that some magic forces can somehow act in the favor of society and correct things by themselves is beyond wishful thinking, it's downright irresponsible and infantile.

    What do you think will happen if government stops taking part in regulating industries? Their behavior will worsen, and they will get more grabbing and take more control of our everyday lives in other ways. Leaving them free will not help at all!

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  20. Re:Thats good by 1ucius · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Personally, I print about 1-2 pages per week. The "give us the razor and sell us the blades" business model is *great* for people like me.

  21. Re:Thats good by Moofie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Except for the fact that the ink dries out in the tanks faster than I can use it up.

    Cheap used laser printer for me, thanks.

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  22. Buy a laser :) by NoMercy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There more expensive, can't print color photos as well as you would like, but they will run for 5000-10000 pages before needing a new toner cartridge, the ink can't dry up any more than it is, and it doesn't do a 'head cleaning' which dumps 1/2 the ink into a large sponge at the bottom of the printer every time you switch it on :)

  23. Revisit the Jon "DVD" Johannsen Case by tilleyrw · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In light of the ruling that the DMCA cannot be applied in cases of fair-use,
    the prior ruling agains Jon should be presented to the courts for re-interpretation.

    If a reverse-engineering of a product can be framed in terms of providing
    increased service to consumers or enabling service to those deprived
    because of physical handicap (deafness, blindness, vision problems, etc.)
    it is now legal because of this ruling against Lexmark.

    Intuition tells me that the tide has only started to turn...

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  24. great quote from the decision... by ecklesweb · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Apple's operating system program--a program whose size and complexity is to the Toner Loading Program what the Sears Tower is to a lamppost
  25. Amazing by freality · · Score: 2, Interesting

    so, since "lock out" mechanisms (like DVD copy locks) are of a necessary form and function, they are ideas and not non-functional expression, and so are the proper domain of patent, not copyright, and so the DMCA can't extend copyright protection to them. Wham-bam-thank-you-m'am.

    Next question, where does this leave the same mechanism if it were protected by patent?