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NetBSD Chooses New Logo

jschauma writes "Live from EuroBSDCon 2004: The NetBSD Project announces its new logo. The logo was selected out of over 400 submissions in an albeit lengthy process, where the developers considered various important aspects of a new identifying logo. See the official logo contest announcement (to refresh your memory) and the official press release."

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  1. Re:favicon? by base_chakra · · Score: 3, Informative

    What will the favicon look like? The logo is nice, but work will have to be done to simplify the fine elements of the design, so that they don't turn to fuzz in small versions of the image.

    Probably just the flag. Logos that have both text and graphical elements are often reduced to graphical emblems for certain purposes. The flag should scale to 16x16 with relative ease.

  2. Mirror by Rufus211 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I think the new logo looks quite nice. Very simple and stylish. Since the site is somewhat slow loading, I threw up a mirror including the large versions.

  3. better logo, yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    But I still haven't forgiven the NetBSD team for the way they treated Theo DeRaadt. He was basically forced out because of the huge egos in the NetBSD core team.

  4. Yuk by Space+cowboy · · Score: 2, Informative
    Blandness incarnate. Sorry guys/gals, I'm sure everyone put a lot of effort into it, and you'll never please all the people all the time, but it looks like a political-party logo to me, or possibly a mega-conglomerate corporate logo.

    I guess if, as a brand, you're all trying to move up-market - say, to distinguish yourselves from those upstart linux rabble [grin], then it'll work just fine. In my case, my eyes would automatically shift to [next topic], but then I'm not a corporate clone, so I guess it's doing its job.

    Just to be non-PC for a second, some people have far too much time on their hands - the old image was cute, easily recognised, and daemons (note the 'a') have a long and distinguished history in Unix. My Oxford english dictionary defines 'daemon' as:
    • An inner or attendant spirit; a genius (the daemon of creativity)
    • A supernatural being in ancient greece
    ... which is a *little* different to how it defines 'demon' (lots of definitions - basically really nasty thing you don't want to meet in a dark alley. Or anywhere.) Interestingly, the online dictionaries tend to blur the meaning a bit more...

    I take the point in the requirements about it being complex - hard to render at low resolutions etc, but to reject the whole idea of a cute daemon just because some people can't handle that there is no god (hey, I said I was going to be non-PC, you knew it was coming :-) seems to be cutting off your nose to spite your face...

    Simon.
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  5. Re:Albeit? by pyrrhonist · · Score: 1, Informative
    Whoever posted this story doesn't have adequate command of our language.

    Or German for that matter (from which the word is from originally).

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  6. Re:Ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Erhm, do you realise that it was beastie that was removed because some people (*cough*christians*cough*) could feel offended? (read: those morons cannot tell a daemon from a demon).

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  7. fyi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    punctuation goes inside quotes.

    1. Re:fyi by rpdillon · · Score: 1, Informative

      Actually, punctuation only goes inside quotes if the punctuation is in the quote (amazing, huh?) If you're quoting a fragment, then the punctuation goes outside the quotes.

      I'm not a fan of being pedantic, but if you're going to be, at least be right.

    2. Re:fyi by lav-chan · · Score: 2, Informative

      In American English, for some retarded reason, that is not always the case. Commas and full stops ALWAYS go inside the quotes, whether they were part of the quoted material or not. With other punctuation marks, they go outside the quotes unless they were actually part of the source material. (e.g., if your quote is at the end of the sentence, you would put the period before the quotation mark, but if you were shouting and the person you quoted was not, your exclamation mark would go outside.)

      It's increasingly popular to ignore this rule, though, especially in technical situations (like computer manuals). But... in schools, they still teach it stops and commas inside. :/

    3. Re:fyi by SparklingClearWit · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Traditionally," said the teacher, "puncuation DOES go inside the quotes!"

      "That isn't always the case in modern dialogue", she continued, "as sometimes delineating technical data without puncuation is desirable."

      "Lastly," she breathed, "the 'old way' does seem to be more pleasant aesthetically..."

  8. Re:The reason for poor logo design... by wikinerd · · Score: 3, Informative

    The logo was designed by Grant Bissett, an Australian designer.

  9. Re:NetBSD Devils != WWII Soldiers by Fnkmaster · · Score: 2, Informative

    Likewise here - my grandfather was a Marine and was on Iwo Jima when the 4th and 5th Marines invaded. I take their sacrifices extremely seriously too, but I think that image has become such a part of the cultural millieu for victory it's hard to hold it as inviolate.

    If the image were being used in a way that mocked the sacrifices of the Marines in WWII, then I would understand finding it offensive.

    In any case, there were more than enough other things wrong with that old logo to justify trashing it and I'm glad they did. The new logo is an improvement, even if it is a bit bland.

  10. Re:hmm by lspd · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is the flag from the old logo taken solely and transplanted. So anyone who has been around long enough to remember the old logo knows what it means.

    Certainly a valid point. The slant of the flag pole indicates a team effort, even if the symbolism is lost on anyone who hasn't seen the old logo. Still, why is the flag orange?

  11. Re:NetBSD Devils != WWII Soldiers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    and, the raising is staged (or rather "re-performed") for the photograph.

  12. Re:NetBSD Devils != WWII Soldiers by danimrich · · Score: 3, Informative

    The act of raising a flag has been depicted on numerous occasions in history, e.g. on a famous painting from the 18th/19th century (can't remember the painter). It's not necessarily a reference to WW2.

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  13. Actually, I like it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sure, it's el-bland-o. That's the whole point. It's a subversive, sneaky way to get our favorite daemon team past the PHBs and into the corporate centres.

    It's a DISGUISE, people. The mascot has not changed. The software has not changed. It's just gone stealth, dived below the loony-religious radar.

    The new logo is funny because it's so deliberately bland that PHBs won't remember what it means in a weeks' time. It's the semantic relative of '404' or a little green light - means nothing to the beancounters, but speaks volumes to those in the know.

  14. Re:NetBSD Devils != WWII Soldiers by Brandybuck · · Score: 1, Informative

    Who the hell marked this as "troll"? Get your freaking facts straight before you start marking stuff down!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_the_Flag_on _I wo_Jima

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  15. Re:NetBSD Devils != WWII Soldiers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Personally, I wouldn't get too offended. They probably did think you were being sarcastic and weren't trying to insult you or belittle your comment. However, quite honestly, I don't think it makes the moderator look too good if he or she just cannot understand your sentiment. And if he or she really was trying to insult you then it definitely makes them look worse.

  16. Re:hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    dunno why orange, other than it looks good, HOWEVER - in NetBSD, orange in the default highlight colour for a terminal without proper support... I've used it for so long now whenever I see orange I start to calm down and relax, don't worry, the man pages are here now ;)