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NetBSD Chooses New Logo

jschauma writes "Live from EuroBSDCon 2004: The NetBSD Project announces its new logo. The logo was selected out of over 400 submissions in an albeit lengthy process, where the developers considered various important aspects of a new identifying logo. See the official logo contest announcement (to refresh your memory) and the official press release."

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  1. More corporate looking by fembots · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The new logo certainly has more corporate appeal, and its simplicity also allows different colors to be used, which means easier to place on different color background.

    Coupled with a trademark, this might enough for people to push it to PHB.

  2. New Logo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe a headstone would be a more appropriate logo, no?

    1. Re:New Logo by Zoko+Siman · · Score: 5, Funny

      Netcraft confirms it, kicking a dead horse is still fun.

  3. Albeit? by HawaiianMayan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Try "in a lengthy process".

    If you don't know how to use big words, please don't bother trying.

    1. Re:Albeit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you don't know how to use big words, please don't bother trying.

      Albeit is not that big a word. Medium at most.

    2. Re:Albeit? by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 4, Funny
      parent shouldn't be modded flamebait, his comment is obviously correct

      A post can be factually correct and still be flamebait.
      You fucking moron. (There, see?)

      ("You fucking moron" is for illustrative purposes. Parent poster may or may not actually be a fucking moron.)

  4. hmm by nomadic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I like it. Clean and attractive. Maybe someone can get that guy to design a new logo/mascot for linux, something other than that annoying-looking penguin.

    1. Re:hmm by lspd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I like it. Clean and attractive

      I'd call it bland and meaningless, but YMMV. The press release says nothing about why this particular logo was chosen and doesn't mention the color of the flag at all. The color of a flag is supposed to mean something. Orange is usually a warning sign, as in the orange flags on kids bicycles or the orange flags on beaches to indicate hazardous swimming.

      So why orange?

    2. Re:hmm by arivanov · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I'd call it bland and meaningless

      Objection your honour.

      It is the flag from the old logo taken solely and transplanted. So anyone who has been around long enough to remember the old logo knows what it means. A bunch of d(a)emons sticking the banner on top of a mound of old computer kit. At the same time you can now present it to the PHB. He now no longer sees an image of satanistic computer abuse. You can now even put it on your website and say "driven by NetBSD" without being called onto the carpet.

      I do not like the reasons why it is being done, but let's face it, the realm of free Unixes is no longer a realm of geeks. It is a large business now and NetBSD has its place in it.

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  5. Hmmm by ShatteredDream · · Score: 4, Funny

    So they dropped the BSD devils? I wonder what happened? Did somebody send a few planes full of Southern Baptists and Jehova's Witnesses over to Europe to have a little chat with the NetBSD team?

    1. Re:Hmmm by noselasd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is about a new logo, not about a mascot. A logo is not a mascot.

    2. Re:Hmmm by 0racle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I believe it was because the BSD Daemon is more closely associated with FreeBSD and the NetBSD team wanted something that was more their own. Some one also pointed out the 'raising the flag over iwo jima' might have been a touchy point for some people, especially as NetBSD moves more and more into corporate environments around the world.

      BTW some people that believe in the Bible and are Christians actually do have a sense of humour. I personally painted the little devil guy onto my FreeBSD system.

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    3. Re:Hmmm by sydb · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't know about being Christian but there's no need to have belief in the Bible. It's a fact. It does exist. I've seen it on several occasions (usually in hotels for some reason).

      So, it's no longer a matter of faith. The Bible is for real.

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    4. Re:Hmmm by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Funny

      Daemons, please. Not devils. *BSD takes your sanity, not your soul. ;)

    5. Re:Hmmm by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes this gideon bloke keeps leaving his behind in the hotels I visit.

      Damn forgetfull, if you ask me....

  6. Logo Contest by base_chakra · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Well, this was a long time coming, but I'm really pleased with the new logo. For a while I was wondering if the long delay meant that all the contest submissions were rubbish! In case you're wondering, the official reason for the long processing time was twofold: 1) the selection process (of course), and 2) the legal transfer of the logo from the artist to the NetBSD Foundation.

    A month ago this item appeared in the NetBSD Quarterly Status Report:
    "As announced in the last quarterly status report, the NetBSD Project has reviewed all of the entries submitted to the international competition for the creation of a new logo. Members of the NetBSD Foundation voted for the new logo from a short-list of six submitted designs selected by the logo committee. Characteristics important for the new logo were simplicity, appealing form and color choice, and dentification with the project.

    "At this point, a new logo has been selected the last formal step -- the process of transferring the Intellectual Property from the artist to the NetBSD Foundation (which includes the time-consuming but important careful review of some legal documents by a lawyer to ensure that everything is done correctly and appropriately) -- is virtually completed. Updating the website and creating imagery from the master copy are the last steps that need to be resolved. It is unfortunate that this procedure has delayed the official announcement of the new logo even further; the NetBSD Project would like to thank all users for their patience."
  7. Obligatory Tired Cliché! by The-Bus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Netcraft confirms! The old NetBSD logo is dead!

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    Small potatoes make the steak look bigger.

  8. Not cool enough by systems · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Personally I am very disapointed
    The logo is not cool, not artistic, not insipiring, not anything ...
    I really like what OpenBSD did, they know how to play with their logo, I believe this speaks a lot about the attitude of the people behind the project.
    And it says, that they like and want to have fun!
    NetBSD have made a terrible statement by this logo, this logo declares in my opinion that the NetBSD is not about fun anymore!
    I seriously can't imagine a worst logo ...

  9. OSS has come of age by mollusk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Finally, proof that the OSS community can produce something as generic, uninspired, and forgettable as even the best corporate marketroids. I can't wait for the upcoming Apache Mission Statement contest. ("embiggens a dynamic paradigm in scalable infotecture")

    Seriously, is this the best that was submitted? Not trying to flame, but the best feature of a logo is a unique image that's easily remembered. Looking at the NetBSD logo I'm not sure if I'm installing an OS or playing in a CTF clan.

    Note to the judges, If the text in your logo needs to be readable to identify your product, it's not a good logo.

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  10. I'm not sure I'm convinced ... by Kaemaril · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know, it just seems a little ... bland and generic. Looking at it, if you removed "NetBSD" and substituted virtually any short word or phrase it could just as easily be the logo of a political party, or a company that makes ... well, practically anything, really. It seems ... personality free.

    Still, YMMV and all that.

  11. the contest, months of waiting... for THAT? by ArbitraryConstant · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm sorry, but it's really hard to get excited about that logo. Seems to me they wanted to be so neutral, so inoffensive to everyone in the entire world that they picked a logo that means nothing.

    That sound you hear is millions of geeks the world over saying "meh".

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  12. Sigh. by arcade · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not that the logo makes a difference when it comes to the OS (which I absolutely love. NetBSD is one of my favorite OSs) - but I think the new logo sucks.

    I loved the look of the old one. The BSD daemons scrambling to raise their banner. It gave me a nice feel.

    Now we've got this .. flag .. and nothing more. It doesn't tell me anything. It's got no feelings, no 'struggle', no cooperation .. and no _daemons_.

    But sure.. it's clean looking .. but .. I really don't care about that.

    Bad choice, imho.

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  13. Re:NetBSD Devils != WWII Soldiers by zentex · · Score: 4, Funny

    As a member of the US Air National Guard I don't like the devils raising the NetBSD flag in the likeness of World War II soldiers raising the Unites States flag over Iwo Jima.

    Some Soldier you are! If you were better educated, you would know those "World War II Soldiers" were infact U.S. Marines.

    err...your only a guardsman, sorry to hold you to higher standards ;-)

    I was going to moderate you as flambait, but I felt compelled to set you straight; as my Grandfather was *ON* that island.

    Anyways, the previous logo was meant to convey the fact that NetBSD has "conquered" almost all hardware; nothing more. Don't be an idiot.

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  14. Re:better logo, yes by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 4, Funny
    "He was basically forced out because of the huge egos in the NetBSD core team"

    Ridiculous! Who could have a bigger ego than Theo??

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    "Here Lies Philip J. Fry, named for his uncle, to carry on his spirit"
  15. Re:Not bad by sydb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A little plain?? Logos are supposed to be plain. Take a moment and look at some memorable logos. They're generally very, very, simple. This makes them easy to associate with the product. It helps build the brand.

    If only more Free Software projects would follow the lead of NetBSD. There are a lot of decent logos out there too but by and large Free Software logos constitute strong evidence that Graphic Design is indeed a valuable skill. Not as valuable as coding, but still valuable.

    Specifically, it's not about technical prowess in using your favourite graphics program, it's about being able to come up with strong ideas and express them strikingly, visually.

    Not that I'm any good at it...

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    Yours Sincerely, Michael.
  16. First Impressions... by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Whilst it's good that the NetBSD people have recognised the need for a proper logo, my impressions are...

    It looks slightly dated, like something from the late 80s/early 90s when corporate types were going for 'flowing' logos with gentle curves. The typeface and colours also contribute to this impression.

    It's also fairly boring. If they decide to have a mascot as well, this won't such a problem though; logo for corporate stuff, mascot for the fans and developers.

    In fact, I wish someone would design a proper (generic) Linux logo. Specifically, one that incorporates the word 'Linux' and could be used without fear of looking unprofessional. Tux seems to have become logo (as well as mascot) by default, but is not really suitable for more serious use.

    Of course, Tux would remain as the mascot (although personally disliking Tux, I appreciate that I'm probably in the minority). 'Serious' literature would use the Linux logo, everyone else could use either- or both- as they pleased.

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  17. Much more professional logo by Infonaut · · Score: 4, Insightful
    If you're trying to get people interested in your product, the first rule is don't offend people. Like it or not, there are folks out there who don't understand the difference between daemon and demon. If you're the tech guy trying to show management that OpenBSD is worth using, the new logo is going to be much more reassuring than the old one, particularly if you happen to be operating in the Bible Belt. You may laugh, but it's true.

    This is about marketing - pure and simple. The people behind NetBSD have every right to make the OS more accessible to as wide a range of users as possible, and part of doing that involves making it look more professional and less like something thrown together by a bunch of gamers in their parents' basement.

    The new logo is clean, elegant, shows motion, uses bold colors, and is readily distinguishable from any other OS-related logo. Having a professional logo doesn't make you evil, and it doesn't mean you've sold out. But for better or worse it does mean that people (and not just management types) will tend to take you more seriously.

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  18. Re:NetBSD Devils != WWII Soldiers by miket · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can say this, given the tone of the responses to my message coupled with the fact that my comment was rated "Funny" has caused me to loose a great deal of respect for the slashdot community.

    To those of you out there who are tolerant of other people's positions, I apologize that you find yourself associated with a group such as this.

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  19. Re:FreeBSD, are you listening? by setagllib · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hardly. FreeBSD is the only BSD, now, that has stuck to its original logos, at least in content.

    "Corporate" was the first word that hit me when I saw the new NetBSD logo, and judging by this thread I'm not the only one that thinks this way. I hated it for the first few minutes (unfamiliarity more than anything - I'd more hate some glossy kitsch like Gentoo's logo, which, to anyone who didn't know Gentoo, could just as well be a breakfast cereal logo) but now I've grown a liking to it. It constitutes my MSN 'display pic' (Microsoft = long names for simple things, just so people don't have to remember new words like 'avatar') and still is getting appreciated.

    Simple is good, but I still think they dropped too much of their proud BSD culture when they 'distilled' the original (I say 'they' because it is now 'their' intellectual property, at least in as much as they chose it over other images which were probably better anyway).

    I mean, OpenBSD dropped the BSD Daemon in favor of an icon largely relevant to their cause (for those that don't know, blowfish is a symmetric encryption algorithm, a darn good one at that), and that's fair enough - it's flexible and 'fun'. NetBSD's is dry now, completely unlike the dated but awesome old logo, which had relevance to their cause and the old BSD culture. The new one has some very loose relevance, at least if people recognize the flag, but where's the BSD in it? (not counting the NetBSD text)

    We'll note that BSD is still generalised on Slashdot with the classic daemon, even though it now only applies to FreeBSD and (if they keep the older icons, at least) NetBSD.

    DragonFly has a good icon, IMHO. It is colourful, which reduces its use on monochrome media and all, and I can't for the life of me remember the whole thing all at once - but it is instantly recognizable as 'dragonfly' even if you've never heard of the project, it's simple and professional enough to appeal to business, while still being interesting enough to appeal to geeks. 'Course I don't run DragonFly since it still has too much of FreeBSD's brokeness (remove kbdcontrol and moused necessity, then I'll go back) to be made up for by the amazing technical merit, most of which NetBSD offers anyway without any of the brokeness - plus it runs as well on my x86s as my Indy :)

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  20. As an art guy, by MQBS · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have to say that I like the logo. It meets my one requirement for a good logo, and in spades:

    A good logo can be recognizably spraypainted with one template.

    In other words, the logo is simple enough that it doesn't require any serious work to put it on things, it can be read from close up or afar, its not overly complicated and it looks unique. And this logo fits that requirement quite nicely.

    I also like the placement of the flag, the diag it makes with the text really gives the logo some oomph.

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