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Thunderbird 0.9 Released
Simon (S2) writes "Thunderbird 0.9 is now available for download! New features include Saved Search Folders (aka Virtual Folders) which allow you to display messages based on previously set search criteria across multiple folders. Message Grouping allows you to organize e-mail in a folder by grouping them based on various attributes like Date, Sender, Label, etc. Thunderbird 0.9 also includes numerous bug fixes and other improvements. For more information, see the release notes. Builds can be found on the mozilla.org FTP server or in the release notes above."
Great, the FIRST time I was able to download something BEFORE it gets /.ed ! You'd better hurry, the WIN32 Installer is about 5megs (I'd post a mirror, but I know my site CAN NOT handle the /.)
I think Mozilla's servers can handle it just fine (they always have).
This has existed already in Evolution, and i wouldn't be surprised if in other mail clients also.
Does anybody know of any 'big-scale' implementation of T-Bird? I use it at home sparingly since I find I use more and more web based email and a real decent email client is just not needed. I know Outlook (and others) has countless corporate implementations, and I am wondering if T-Bird has been used similarly. If so, how does it hold up? Anybody?
They're also available in other products. The Bat! has had Saved Searches for a while.
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There is, of course, an extension that adds this functionality: http://minimizetotray.mozdev.org/ Happy extending.
Microsoft Outlook 2003 offers them as well.
I use Thunderbird because..
I like the interface.
It supports IMAP well, it allows me to have my newsgroups in the same app.
It supports RSS too, which is a feature I love!
No worries; I've been using it for a couple of years now (I'm an attorney who uses it for both business and personal e-mail). I have not had even one problem with reliability or stability.
Remember, it's a fork off of the Mozilla project, which has been past 1.0 for quite some time.
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People have been reporting problems with upgrading from 0.8 to 0.9. It seems like there may be a compatibility problem with older profiles that causes 0.9 to freeze. I think I may wait a while before upgrading since 0.8 works fine for me.
I can't speak for others but I have never gotten Thunderbird to work properly with Sunbird. I have tried with the past few versions and the avialable extensions and it never goes. Pity.
You want to know who isn't running Firefox 2.x? They spell it "definately" and "rediculous".
I use PowerMenu. It adds a few items to every window's title bar menu - minimize to tray, set transparency, set task priority and 'always on top'. I find it incredibly useful. hth ning
Agreed! In the mean-time, I've been using Thundertray to launch and minimize Thunderbird from the Windows system tray. http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/1063659252/1
Popfile does this, I believe. Haven't used it myself (because it only works with POP3), but some people swear by it.
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Sunbird works as a standalone and as an extension for Thunderbird and FireFox...
Still, it needs a few more revisions before it's really ready.
Yeah, this is what's keeping me off Thunderbird. I am still using Outlook, but with the cool extension Outclass which is an Outlook front-end for POPFile. It works really well. I know I could use POPFile's web interface, but it's so much nicer when it's integrated into the mail app. If Thunderbird can use Bayes for spam, open it up for other uses!
Story here.
The story says Firefax now enjoys a 6% market share!
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Here's the obvious, but missing link to the Thunderbird homepage.
There are a few reasons I use it for my home email:
1) Mouse gestures. I'm on a lot of mailing lists, and being able to specify common actions as a gesture (right-click & drag right to select the next unread message, for example) saves me a lot of time digging through lists like Full-Disclosure.
2) Message threading. It's not perfect, but it helps a lot to be able to group messages by thread (I think new versions of Outlook can do this, but my 2000 version can not).
3) The Baysean filtering is nice, but as you've mentioned, you already have that.
4) Themes. Yeah, it's trivial, but still...they're fun.
You already can, they call that labels.
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the way Notes stores mail is a little different in concept to most other things, folders don't "contain" messages, messages exist in their own right in the database irrespective of what folders they might be in. It is perfectly valid for a message to exist without any folders including the message. Folders in Notes can have documents dragged into them which stores that association and you can get to the message through the folder. A saved search is what would be called a view in Notes, that is a folder which is based on a selection formula rather than manual fileing. It is perfectly valid also for one message to be shown in many many folders and views, but delete it from one it is deleted from all. Deleting a message is very different from removing it from a folder. Views and folders can also be categorised, this is basically the same thing as the group by feature. Notes views are indexed rather than calculated on the fly so I suspect they would be quicker for large mail files.
Notes of course isn't open source and you can only do limited view customisation without the design client, I do like the user interface for creating these saved searches, it is better than creating a private view in Notes.
This is a great open source mail notifier that will monitor as many Pop accounts as you like, at any interval you like, with preview and delete functionality while the email is still on the server. One button click will launch your favorite email client, so it's almost indistinguishable from having Thunderbird minimized to tray, and it uses less memory.
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Popfile indead does this, and very well in my case. And I don't know when you last checked, but it speaks IMAP and NNTP too now. I use it on my own mailserver and get 95% accuracy in classifying my mail into some 20+ categories. I tried Thunderbird, but I don't like the way it handles IMAP accounts.
After installing Thunderbird 0.9 I get a lot of timeout errors :(
The inspiration for this feature came from Usenet legend Kibo, who in the early 90's was grepping the Usenet spool so he could find and reply to every post that ever mentioned his name. Gnus (the Emacs newsreader) got this feature in 1995 under the name "nnkiboze" (other backends being nntp, nnmail, nnrss, nnslashdot etc).
There's actually an enhancement request for that with a bounty. There's even a patch submitted (check out bugzilla bug # 181866 (no link, bugzilla rejects links from /.)).
It seems to be stalled at the moment, but there is motivation, money, and work there. Voting for the bug raises the odds that it will get attention. Not by a whole lot, but some.
I have trouble getting many people to switch to TB even though they quickly took up FF. The things keeping back these people I know that are now using FF + Outlook are:
1) Buttons work differently, such as the delete button doesn't also close the message if you opened the message in a new Window (These type of problems are solvable with the Buttons! extension)
2) The context menu for Copy To and Move To is very annoying for them to use since they typically have 100s of folders nested across their accounts, and they can't seem to find the folder they want fast enough, where as Outlook will just pop up a little window with a folder tree for Copy/Move operations.
3) The address book contacts editor has most of the useful information on the first tab, but the Company Title and Notes section are on the 2nd and 3rd tab, and users find it annoying to have to use these extra tabs for such common pieces of information, when all the other stuff on the 2nd and 3rd tab is unused. Somehow, they wan't those two fields duplicated onto the main tab for the contacts editor.
4) Having to open the address book in a new window, and the contacts sidebar tab really doesn't help anybody I suggested it to here. Users really seem to wait a contacts folder in their folder list to see the list of contacts.
5) The contacts list is not easily sortable like Outlook and blank fields seem to sort above A forcing them to sort Z-A and scroll down to find the stuff in the middle. I guess they just want A-Z sorting to put blanks after Z.
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Saved search folders are part of Outlook 2003, which was probably the original inspiration.
just checked, thunderbird is taking 41,192K and firefox is taking 58,936K.
Of course I do have 5 inboxes, one of which has 413 messages and the other 327 (the other three all have less than 100 (72, 15, 0)). I have two separate windows open, and two tabs in one and 3 in the other.
What can I say, that doesn't seem too unreasonable. Note that explorer.exe is taking 16,368, and IEXPLORE.EXE with just slashdot takes 17,800 alone.
Is firefox lean? Maybe not as much as it could be, but it is pretty good. THe fact that it opens as fast or faster than IE without the same OS hooks? Bloody ingenious if you ask me.
"We don't know what we are doing, but we are doing it very carefully,..." Wherry, R.J. Personnel Psychology (1995)
I try every release... but I have experienced lock ups every time thus far within an hour of normal pop use. Outlook 2000 still does a better job for me unfortunately.
I also need to trigger the play of a sound file when a message is filtered to a specific folder and haven't seen an extension do this yet (and I'm too lazy to learn xul etc to do it myself). It has been requested as a feature already.
I think what you're seeing is related to "format=flowed" in the content-type header of sent messages:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Though this shouldn't force scrolling AFAIK, at least when I view it in T-Bird.
Your hybrid is not saving the environment. Its purpose is to make you feel good about buying something.
Sunbird doesn't integrate with Thunderbird, since it is a standalone-solution. However, there is a calendar extension (based on the Sunbird code) for Thunderbird and this extension integrates fairly well with Thunderbird.
Check it out at mozilla.org.
Yeah, I've seen that happen before, both with replies (only from one friend -- seems their Exchange server's sending in a wierd format) and forwards. It drove me nuts for a while, until I noticed the following: :)
(reply or forward first) Go to Edit, Rewrap. This should reflow the text
It is somewhat annoying, though.
It should be noted that, if like me, you are a user of the mozilla calendar extention, you are hosed if you upgrade right now. Wait for the extention to catch up with the release build or be sorry.. like me. :(
I take it you're getting that by running top on linux. If so, that's a horrible way to measure memory usage. It includes in that number a LOT of things which are shared or just caches.
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You can, and have been able to for quite some time AFAIK. Under the server settings for the account in question, click the "Advanced" button and choose your SMTP server. Of course you need to have created the SMTP server at the SMTP server creation screen first.
I believe labels are simply coloring a message one color or another. The problem with this is that there's a limited amount of labels to choose from, and last I checked you couldn't create more (you can only change the presets).
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