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Using Layered Defenses to Stop Internet Worms

An anonymous submitter writes "Following last week's release of security configuration guidance for Mac OS X, the National Security Agency has released a paper on Internet worms and how to stop new worms using layered defenses (pdf). A good read - your US tax dollars at work."

148 comments

  1. Using ggv... by grub · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hrmmm...

    There was an error while scaning the file: /home/grieder/WORMPAPER.pdf

    **** This file has a corrupted %%EOF marker, or garbage after the %%EOF.
    **** The file was produced by Acrobat PDFWriter 5.0 for Windows NT:
    **** please notify the author of this software
    **** that the file does not conform to Adobe's published PDF
    **** specification. Processing of the file will continue normally.

    Do I "notify the author" (malcodeteam@nsa.gov> or just assume that Echelon will do it for me when you read this?

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    1. Re:Using ggv... by mbrewthx · · Score: 2, Funny

      Worked for me.. You must have a worm...

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    2. Re:Using ggv... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I already did...

    3. Re:Using ggv... by pavon · · Score: 2, Informative

      No you should notify the author of the software - the Adobe Acrobat PDFWriter 5.0 team. And possibly gv, since they could possibly be out of date or wrong as well.

      I mean, I know that they government is in bed with the cooporations and all, but I think they have better ways to abuse their power then to waste time skiming the web for bug reports :)

    4. Re:Using ggv... by Scott7477 · · Score: 1

      Since all of their PDF's have this error they just programmed Echelon to ignore the message. All of the members of the "malcodeteam" were hired away from Microsoft so they are used to filtering out negative feedback about their products.

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  2. Layer 1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Source: Outside Any
    Destination: Inside Any
    Block: All

    1. Re:Layer 1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Layer 1 on the OSI model is the physcal layer. So are you saying the equvalent of pulling the netowrk cable out between the machines concerned?

  3. So did you just out yourself? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    "/home/grieder/WORMPAPER.pdf"? The NSA has you now, grub!!!

    1. Re:So did you just out yourself? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny


      They could have just done a whois on my domain name :)

      Hold on, I'm being paged down to the parking garage...

  4. Tax dollars. by The+Old+Burke · · Score: 5, Funny
    What tax dollars?

    I'm rich.

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    1. Re:Tax dollars. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Shut up. I'm bitter.

  5. Re:Using ggv...Digest Version by Zemplar · · Score: 0, Redundant

    1 Motivation Internet worms are perceived to be one of the primary threats to the nation's information technology infrastructure. They are a significant cause for concern from both financial and network security perspectives. According to the Worm Information Center FAQ [1], the Sobig and Blaster worms, which occurred at the same time, are estimated to have cost companies more than two billion dollars. For this paper, we studied current worm strategies and implementations and tried to determine whether the trends point to a significant worsening of the problem in the near future. Are worm technologies improving? Are worm attacks becoming more sophisticated? We were also interested in defensive technologies that can be used to combat the worm problem. Where are defensive technologies best applied? Should other technologies be developed to help defend against the worm problem? Ultimately, we would like to know whether a sophisticated attack can be prevented - could current defensive mechanisms be used to defend against future sophisticated attacks? 2 Paper Organization Answering our questions required an understanding of current worm technology and how it is evolving. We choose to focus on the technology used by worms rather than the social engineering methods used to deploy them, for which there is no technical solution. In the Worm Technology section (sec. 4) of this paper, we devise a novel method for describing Internet worms based on characteristics they exhibit, which we call life functions. By decomposing these life functions, we derived the fundamental conditions needed for worm success, which we call its attack attributes. In the Attack Attributes section (sec. 5), we describe a system by which to classify worms. The Defensive Mechanisms and Techniques section (sec. 6) surveys the existing technologies that combat worms and other malicious code. The worm attack attributes are matched against the defenses in the Attacks vs. Defenses section (sec. 7) in a defense matrix. From this matrix, we draw conclusions about how best to detect and prevent worm attacks. We present a summary of our results in the Findings section (sec. 3) below. Finally, in the Applying Defensive Methodology section (sec. 8), we discuss how five aggressive worms would have been easily defeated using the defense- in-depth strategy that we advocate in this paper. 3.1 Defense-in-Depth Many defensive technologies have been developed to combat the spread of Internet worms. Unfortunately, there is no single technology that protects against all types of mobile malicious code. Many enterprises rely on only a small set of protective technologies to protect their assets, such as firewalls and virus scanners. Our research suggests that a layered defensive solution would be more effective at preventing all known worm infection vectors and, potentially, many unknown ones as well. We reached this conclusion based on our study of a wide variety of Internet worms and defensive mechanisms. As part of our research, we have produced a system for describing worms and measuring whether defenses can stop them. We believe that this method captures the critical characteristics that define current worms and the characteristics that will be displayed by worms in the future. Our system demonstrates that no single defense works against all worms and that multiple layered defenses provide robust protection. Defense- in-depth security helps defend against not only worms but other network threats like Trojan horses, malicious insiders, and hackers who have guessed passwords or entered systems via flaws in network code. It bolsters security with solutions that are effective even without forward knowledge of any attack. Such security solutions scale even to zero-day attacks, which are attacks that make use of previously unknown vulnerabilities. Reactive defenses, like signature-based virus scanners and automated patching systems are still necessary, but they are ineffective against fast moving worms or zero-day attacks. Worms have increasingly become "blended threats"[12]; they

  6. This report cost $2 billion US taxpayer dollars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Stopping Worms:

    -Patch your systems.

    -Use a firewall.

    -Stop running web servers and other stuff.

    Thank You,

    Uncle Sam

    1. Re:This report cost $2 billion US taxpayer dollars by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 2, Funny
      They could have saved a bundle, but it wasn't politically correct to give out the free advice:

      Don't use Windows.

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    2. Re:This report cost $2 billion US taxpayer dollars by John+Pliskin · · Score: 0

      -Save up to 30% on car insurance, by switching to GEICO.

      $

    3. Re:This report cost $2 billion US taxpayer dollars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I saved. I thought that meant something to you."
      MSFT in the stock portfolio is like a gay constituency in your political party.
      In the vain hope of election, you publicly make a fool of yourself (secularly and theologically). Go, Democrats!

    4. Re:This report cost $2 billion US taxpayer dollars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be gellin'!

    5. Re:This report cost $2 billion US taxpayer dollars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha, I don't even pay US tax. Thanks for the report, suckers!

  7. my guide to avoiding worms by 56ker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1) Always run antivirus software
    2) Automatically filter all emails with attachments into a seperate folder
    3) Only have one user/computer
    4) Always virus scan software first
    5) Always run a firewall
    6) Always have twice as much bandwidth on the website as you need
    7) Block virus/worm emails using filters

    1. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by Red+Alastor · · Score: 3, Funny

      And *my* guide to avoiding worms :

      1) Use Linux

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    2. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by Zemplar · · Score: 1

      Converse of Author's guide

      1) Don't use Windows NT
      2) Don't feel compelled to write "WORMPAPER" guide
      3) Don't publish broken Acrobat file
      4) Prof....er...retain profits!

    3. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by Daedala · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ok, here's mine:

      Use OS X.
      Run Software Update every once and a while.
      Make sure the firewall stays on.
      Back up.
      Watch Slashdot for malware that isn't just FUD.

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    4. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      And *my* guide to avoiding worms :
      1) Use Linux


      Ha ha!! LOL!! ROFLMAO!!!1!! R0FFl3z!! That is S0 hill-ayreeous! Use Lunix becaz Micr0$0ft iz teh SUXXH0RZ!!!1! Yuo mad teh j0k3 abuot Micr0$0ft s0 u'll g3T m0dd3d UP!!! Lun1X T0rV@ld1s si teh MADMAN!!!1!

    5. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by Wolfger · · Score: 3, Insightful
      3) Only have one user/computer
      Yeah. That works real well. I'll just tell my boss that right now. Which one user should we allow on our server?

      A more useful list would be shorter yet:
      1) Make sure all users are intelligent with regards to computers.
      ...hard to implement, though. That's why IT Security exists.
    6. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by RealAlaskan · · Score: 4, Insightful
      And *my* guide to avoiding worms :

      1) Use Linux

      Well, the mods think it's funny, but I've been doing exactly that since 1997, and it's worked wonders for me. Linux was ready for my desktop back then, it was ready for the desktop of most clerical employees, and it's gotten nothing but better in the last seven years. For most folks, there's no reason not to use Linux except inertia.

      Of course, if you don't mind buying Apple hardware, there's always OSX. If your organization has an exclusive contract with Dell, that's not an option, though.

    7. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by Red+Alastor · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Worked for my sister too and she is a typical non-technical user. Of course, she didn't installed it by herself and still have very little knowledge of what the system do (same level she had with Windows anyway) but she managed to do everything she was already doing with Windows.

      I switched her since I was tired of reinstalling her Windows system which she always found ways to break. So far, her Linux box works flawlessly.

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    8. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by dfj225 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know this was meant to be funny, but I think it is this type of thinking that could one day lead to other operating systems being exploited or filled with worms as much as Windows is now. I don't care what operating system you run, if you do not patch a hole it is still exteremly dangerous to your system. I think that this problem afflicts Mac users more than linux ones as I've often heard one too many Mac lover say how Apple's machines never get viruses or suffer from security problems. (Don't get me wrong, I love my Mac, but I know the importance of keeping it patched.) If someone honestly thinks that simply running an operating system other than Windows will keep them safe, then I fear the future will be much dimmer.

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    9. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by wildBoar · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ah Antivirus software.

      This is actually the biggest virus I know of. It kills my work machine when I am trying to do anything useful, although I am fine reading /.

    10. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by Eric+Giguere · · Score: 5, Funny

      8) Don't dig into the ground
      9) Step carefully after it rains
      10) Stay away from bait shops
      11) ....
      12) Profit!

      (Sorry, couldn't resist...)

      Eric
      Why the Vioxx recall reduced spam (humor)
    11. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For most folks, there's no reason not to use Linux except inertia.

      Do you tell most folks that when they ask how they are supposed to compile Mplayer?

      Just curious..

    12. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My guide to avoiding worms:

      When you go to the shop for a new pc, rather then asking for the newest and fastest one with the most megahurts, ask for one that can`t get worms while you are just trying to read your mail. Now if only someone where to market this hot new (only thirty year old) technology.

      If noone asks, people will sell everyone crap for many years to come.

      Packet filters (traffic mutilating routers) and virus scanners (virus cleanup tools from the dos days) have little to do with security. Personal firewalls that specify the processes that get to do networking and the no execute flag in processors are babysteps back to the day when people realized how to build computers a script kiddy can`t mess with no mather how stupid the application coders behave. I am sorry did I say something to offend the billion dollar a year scaring-people-into-buying-shitty-addictive-securi ty-products "business" You know, the one threatening its own customers to pay up for signatures or die a horrible worm infested death.

    13. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mandrake already comes with mplayer.

    14. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by Errtu76 · · Score: 2, Funny

      *cough* Ramen *cough*

    15. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      ya, lets ignore the rest of the world, that uses MS solutions...

      write me some real full blown solutions, that will install without a week or month of rewriting cfg files, recompiling, and it has to be compatible with the cabinet full of other software used...or go back to the corner and whine some more.

      MS is not the single solution to any infrastructure, and neither is Linux, so get off the soapbox already! Use the best tool for the job, never put all your eggs in one basket.

      Don't follow zealots, they always fail in the long run, because they wear blinders to reality!

    16. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell me how to run business critical apps that are windows based (and highly unlikely to run in Linux - heck they hardly run right in Windows 2000/XP) in Linux / BSD / OSX and I'll send a memo to my boss.

      She thinks Netware's the bomb so good luck there :)

      Its not just inertia holding things back, sometimes it's bailing wire and duct tape.

    17. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by megarich · · Score: 1

      my addendum 8)disconnect all computer from the network

    18. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for making my point.

    19. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by Lost+Race · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I've been using mainly Windows and DOS since 1985 and never had a worm, virus, spyware, or any other sort of computer "infection". I don't even use "anti-virus" software, except maybe once a year or so just out of curiosity.

      Security isn't about the OS, it's about awareness and prudence. I don't run software of unknown provenance or whose capabilities I don't fully understand. I keep Linux-based firewalls between the (mostly unpatched) Windows machines and the Internet. I don't use Internet Explorer or Outlook.

    20. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by raddan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, if you RTFA, several of the advanced worms that this group study affected Linux. Considering how much stuff comes pre-installed on commercial Linux distros, I wouldn't be surprised if a desktop Linux user got hit with one of these:

      ETAP/SIMILE [18] - Cross-platform worm that affects both Windows Portable Executable (PE) and Linux Executable and Linkable Format (ELF) executables. Uses an entry-point obscuring technique and sophisticated polymorphic file infector to avoid detection by anti-virus programs.

      LION [21] - Linux worm that spreads by using a known flaw in BIND.

      RAMEN [22] - Linux worm that bundles together a number of known exploits against Linux services, including: WuFTP, LPRng, and rpc.statd.

    21. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by droleary · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I know this was meant to be funny, but I think it is this type of thinking that could one day lead to other operating systems being exploited or filled with worms as much as Windows is now.

      Get back to us when "one day" comes, then. Like the people who play the "Windows marketshare ensures it is the most exploited" game, your logic is flawed. Alternatives to Windows all start from a different base and evolve in a different manner, so you can't assume that what trouble 95% of users today will necessarily trouble 95% of users in a mythical Unix-ubiquitious future.

      If someone honestly thinks that simply running an operating system other than Windows will keep them safe, then I fear the future will be much dimmer.

      Your fear is a baseless phobia. The truth today is that, yes, simply running an OS other than Windows will keep them safer. I realize that there is no guarantees for the future, but for today I would get my mom a Mac and fret very little even if she never did a software update unless I was there, whereas I know she'd be bombarded by malware every day if I pushed Windows on her.

    22. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by Spoing · · Score: 1
      You're missing most of the important methods. A sample list;
      * Turn off or uninstall what you don't absolutely require.
      * Don't use unsafe software.
      * Scan all systems using internal external tools for known system exploits.
      * Restrict abuse by enforcing permissions and security policies.
      Properly secured, most of the items on your checklist aren't necessary or can be given fewer system resources. Also, some of the items on your list implicitly trust the tool to do the job for you...though you should be aware of times that the tools fail. When they do, you still have to do something to protect the systems -- as if the tools weren't even installed.
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    23. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Don't follow zealots, they always fail in the long run, because they wear blinders to reality!

      Reality being webserver logs full of IIS exploit attempts and firewall logs full of other lame windows shit. We can't expect people to learn to use computers and be responsible netizens because people just want to click a button and have it all done for them; my firewall logs bear full testiment to the fruits of that reality. I'm not denying you the right to stay in the cess pool, the cliches are par for the course at this level of reasoning. Enjoy!

    24. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by nlindstrom · · Score: 0
      And *my* guide to avoiding worms :

      1) Use OS X

    25. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by StormReaver · · Score: 1

      *cough* Ramen *cough*

      Which required the user to save the file, set the execute attributes, then explicitly run it.... Yeah, that was a really bad problem.... -rolls eyes-

    26. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by ZB+Mowrey · · Score: 1
      When you go to the shop for a new pc, rather then asking for the newest and fastest one with the most megahurts, ask for one that can`t get worms while you are just trying to read your mail.

      That's all well and good...but I'll bet you lunch that if mom & pop ask that question at Best Buy, some enterprising salesman is going to package a copy of Norton or somesuch and tell them they're covered. He might even sell the extended service contract.

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    27. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least in my shop, nothing routes between workstations. No file sharing, no socket traffic, nothing. If you want to serve you need to be an approved server, hardened, and can only serve what is approved for you to serve. Peer to peer connections are not deemed, and in fact are not, necessary.

    28. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Err.. If you don't mind apple hardware, get apple hardware and run linux on it.. Apple isn't that great when supporting security problems in their older software apparently.

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    29. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by OwlofCreamCheese · · Score: 1

      hey numbnuts... how do you know that you haven't then? not all viruses put a sign up saying "I'm a virus" your probobly spamming every e-mail server on the interweb right this second

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    30. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by airConditionedGypsy · · Score: 2, Funny
      Which one user should we allow on our server?

      'root', naturally... just make sure everyone has the password written down in a memorable place.

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    31. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by 56ker · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately here there is only one user intelligent with regards to computers. *grins* It also makes passing the buck impossible when there's only one person to blame.

    32. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by 56ker · · Score: 0

      Technically no - as you have problems with floppy disk, CD-ROM etc - I suppose you could just remove all media devices and make the hard drive read only - but where would the fun in that be! Anyway anyone worth their salt could write their own worm anyway - on that computer - a floppy disk or CD-R worm.

    33. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by 56ker · · Score: 0

      Yes, I take your points - however it wasn't meant to be a comprehensive list. I think along the lines of your last paragraph anyway.

    34. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by 56ker · · Score: 0

      Which Antivirus software do you use? Some of the commercial ones do hog the resources - memory, processor power etc - that's why I don't use them.

    35. Re:my guide to avoiding worms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      write me some real full blown solutions, that will install without a week or month of rewriting cfg files, recompiling, and it has to be compatible with the cabinet full of other software used...or go back to the corner and whine some more.

      If you want the equivalent ease using RedHat or Fedora, just open up a terminal window as root and type "service httpd start" and "chkconfig httpd on". You'll then have a web server that can serve up HTML and process CGI. Any more than that requires more work and understanding. They deliberately leave it that way because only an idiot would put a web server on the Internet nowadays without thoroughly understanding its potential vulnerabilities and limitations.

      Unless you choose all Microsoft products, you'll have the same situation in Windows. You can either learn about your applications, or spend days online with tech support people.

  8. what is this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    wormpaper.pif?

    1. Re:what is this? by Daedala · · Score: 1

      wormpaper.jpg

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    2. Re:what is this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wormpaper.html

    3. Re:what is this? by shird · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      wormpaper.exe

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  9. Re:Using ggv...Digest Version by Zemplar · · Score: 1

    Damn, I was about to add some damn line breaks and edit further but hit enter on accident.....

    Can (should) Slashcode be changed to implement a preview instead of submission by hitting the enter key?

  10. har har by scaaven · · Score: 1, Funny

    I didn't know the internet had worms. maybe it needs to flush its system with some colon cleaner or wormwood.

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    1. Re:har har by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They say worms and have an icon showing a Caterpillar for the topic

  11. A simpler way: by Orgazmus · · Score: 0, Redundant

    1) Run linux

    (and yeah, no lame joke about profit)

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  12. Tech report by October_30th · · Score: 5, Funny

    Heh. Such a typical government tech report. No pics, just text and tables.

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    1. Re:Tech report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if it aint broke, don't fix it.

    2. Re:Tech report by October_30th · · Score: 1
      if it aint broke, don't fix it.

      Well, it could have an abstract and a few pretty pictures for us who'd just like to know what it's all about. If us natural science geeks can do it on a regular basis, what's holding you CS people back?

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      The owls are not what they seem
    3. Re:Tech report by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 1

      No, typical government reports ares, even tech, are powerpoint with no relevant info. A nice common ground though wouldn't hurt.

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    4. Re:Tech report by October_30th · · Score: 1
      typical government reports ares, even tech, are powerpoint with no relevant info

      Huh? Presentations are never supposed to yield in-depth, relevant info. A presentation that does that is torture for the audience. It's just supposed to give an overview on the topic. If you want relevant, in-depth info, you're supposed to read the report, but as you say, a common ground would be nice.

      The best way to achieve common ground is that when you give a presentation, you hand out a 1-6 page summary with plenty of figures alongside with the report itself.

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    5. Re:Tech report by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 1

      Who's talking about presentations. Powerpoint files or printed slides have become an acceptable way to present any possible data in the government.

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  13. Just Makes Sense by TheFlyingGoat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Obviously multilayered security is a solution to many problems. A worm would have to exploit problems at multiple levels before being able to do what it wants. This would make it much harder for the average script kiddie to write a worm, and would force an excellent programmer to write a much larger program. It also has the benefit of stopping worm variations by applying a security fix at any one of the security levels, since it's unlikely for that complex a worm to include multiple attacks for every level.

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    1. Re:Just Makes Sense by Rob_Warwick · · Score: 1
      ...make it much harder for the average script kiddie to write a worm...

      I think you're missing the point of what makes them script kiddies instead of crackers.

  14. Actually the real url is by hsmith · · Score: 2, Funny

    http://www.nsa.gov/snac/support/WORMPAPER.pdf.exe

    But it is good to see the government is adopting some standards that are actually useful. but who wants to guess how much this cost them and how much it should have really cost?

  15. Good greif by jedkiwi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Odviously this is aimed at the average american, as all the IT people and geeks out there already know this. But tell me, what average user is auctually going to take the time to read this?

    1. Re:Good greif by peacefinder · · Score: 4, Funny

      [...] what average user is auctually going to take the time to read this?

      The average user? No.

      The average manager needing justification before buying new security tools? Heck yeah! The clever ones will append the NSA document to their budget proposals.

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  16. Thanks! by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 1

    I know you guys/gals will see this, so thanks!

    It's cool that an agency with the worlds best IT infrastructure has the gumption to spend it's tax money and help bring the industry forward to solve practical problems.

    Tragically none of the other government agencies will read your paper and the next worm will take down a half dozen of them...

    Oh yeah, while were at it, we'd like to apologize for Jake 2.0...

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  17. What happened to Darwinism? by DeepFried · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wish they could just come out and clearly advocate diverstity among OSes. The biggest threat IMO is the ubiquity of holes, not severity.

    In my perfect world they would advocate open standards and address the flaws in the system not just individual "patients." As these plagues come and go, if we all have the same immune systems, our collective odds are not good.

    I am glad they are putting good info out there. I guess I am hoping that in each case they identify the larger problem so we can all keep our eye on the ball.

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    Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my hard disk?
  18. NSA vs. l33t h4x... by Sebastopol · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does anyone else find it pretty cool that this battle is NSA vs script kiddies? I mean, a $2B a year cost is equvialent to a small terrorist attack, this is a big problem. I'm glad to see people from all walks of life attempting to combat the little punks.

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    1. Re:NSA vs. l33t h4x... by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      In "Good Will Hunting" Matt Damon's character didn't want to work for the NSA. That pretty much saids it all.

      It's not a place where next generation tech-elites will submit their resume. Every techie I knew working for the NSA was better with politics than technology.

    2. Re:NSA vs. l33t h4x... by Errtu76 · · Score: 1

      Indeed. I wish our goverment thought the same. It's really great too see these kind of things coming from yours. The nsa linux distro/patches, this pdf. It's not necessarily a (complete) solution, but at least it shows that they're actually doing something useful with the money.

    3. Re:NSA vs. l33t h4x... by Spoing · · Score: 1
      1. It's not a place where next generation tech-elites will submit their resume. Every techie I knew working for the NSA was better with politics than technology.

      Excellent! The machines are working properly! Muhahah! Muhahahahh! Muhahahahahahahah!

      --
      A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
    4. Re:NSA vs. l33t h4x... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I've met someone who is an NSA analyst/programmer. Some would be suprised to know how much of the linux development can be traced to the NSA. They just don't put on their copyright/tagline someone@nsa.gov :) Also, a significant part of OSX came from the NSA's efforts to put BSD on the desktop in the early 90s.

      More importantly, an NSA programmer is probably more skilled than most l33t h4x...

    5. Re:NSA vs. l33t h4x... by Sebastopol · · Score: 1

      I may become flamebait for saying this, but I completely agree with you. A 14 year old who quickly grasps some code about how to exploit a flaw in an O/S is a far cry from someone who has multi-disciplanary skills from 20+ years of analyzing code on different platforms, applications and levels of academic merit.

      Not to discourage the little punks, but if they devote themselves to the art and stick with it, they could end up becoming major contributors to the discipline.

      Somehow I get the feeling it is a few big brains finding the exploits, and legions of punks running the code because they're bored on day, and forgetting all about it a year later.

      --
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  19. I Kind of Wish by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Funny
    They'd examined a few more Linux worms. They've looked at like 30 Windows worms and just one Linux worm, which exploited a Bind hole that's been known about and patched for years now. I mean, I know Windows has way more desktops installed so it should get the most scrutiny, but they could have at least chosen a current Linux worm from the multitude of worms that are out there! For example...

    Um...

    Hmm... Nevermind.

    --

    I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

    1. Re:I Kind of Wish by daeley · · Score: 3, Funny

      You think you're miffed, all the OS X worms come out a year later and don't even propagate automatically.

      --
      I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
    2. Re:I Kind of Wish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look at the list again. Seriously, I don't miss a single Linux worm there, do you?

      There are some Windows worms that are not mentioned, though.

      But the Linux worms, they're all there, all three of them.

  20. Since you guys killed the server last time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...and I'm still upset I haven't gotten to read the OSX paper ;)

    Here's a mirror. Don't hammer too hard, k?

    http://seraphim.ecsis.net/~gregday/WORMPAPER.pdf

  21. MS Worms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now this is strange: the document seems to be written more toward Microsoft user. However, worms exist on every platform.

    server platform 50% nix, 50% Microsoft.

    things that make you go 'hmmmmm'.

    Disclaimer = user base 9x.0 % Microsoft. Could this be a part of the problem? Nope.

  22. /.ing the NSA!!?!?!! by Monf · · Score: 5, Funny
    I can't believe you /.ed the NSA - http://www.nsa.gov/snac/support/WORMPAPER.pdf

    we're all screwed now...

    --
    Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
  23. Summary of 54 pages by Sai+Babu · · Score: 1

    Following strings direct from report!

    Information Assurance Directorate
    Worm Information Center
    life functions
    attack attributes
    worm technology
    defense matrix
    Applied Defensive Methodology
    defense-in-depth strategy
    layered defense solution
    worm infection vectors
    zero day tactics
    blended threats
    worm life cycle
    infection life function
    operator incuded amnesia
    tortoise mustard
    knick knack paddy whack
    worm analysis (tell me how being a worm makes you FEEL)
    ad nauseum

    1. Re:Summary of 54 pages by Skjellifetti · · Score: 1

      More input for M-X spook

  24. Difficult thing about worms... by OnlineAlias · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They never seem to stay the same. They take advantage of things that no one previously thought of, which is why they are so damaging. Defense in depth is great and all, but the next killer worm will probably blow through all of it...

    1. Re:Difficult thing about worms... by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ``They take advantage of things that no one previously thought of''

      From what I can tell, holes exploited by worms are often just common vulnerabilities. Buffer overflows, format strings, cross-site scripting vulnerabilities, are all old news.

      --
      Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
  25. If this story about worms ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ... why is there a picture of a caterpillar?

    1. Re:If this story about worms ... by ookabooka · · Score: 1

      It is either an inchworm, or a leech. Catapillars have legs all through their body. I think its a leech.

      --
      If you are about to mod me down, keep in mind that this post was most likely sarcastic.
  26. Alive? by improbable · · Score: 1

    Anyone else think they made the worms seem a bit too alive in the paper?

    A little creepy.

    1. Re:Alive? by Twanfox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Considering there is a complete cycle that the worms take to propagate and persist, without user intervention, I would say that you could (not have to) consider them akin to what kinds of life you would find in biological viruses. They're pretty stupid. They generally stick to doing one thing. Once they're known and decoded, a defense can be formed.

      However, reading the article, the advance of programming technology is getting pretty sneaky. Self-decrypting program code (hmm.. similar to DNA, only the parts in use are exposed), Self-modifying code (probably close here, though with VB's capacity to recompile on any windows machine...), Command and Control, built in analytical heuristics (worms using scanners and 'decision making' on how to propogate), and even getting to the point where they start to operate at less than full throttle to avoid the common detection method, interference in the host's performance.

      The similarity between computer worms and viruses and biological viruses is very close, just on different platforms. While these aren't 'alive' in the common sense, they sure have the capacity to act like it on occasion.

      Wonder what's next. Worms that record where it sends itself to in order to form a distributed AI Network?

    2. Re:Alive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if it's at all intentional that some worms have payloads used in phishing scams. It's like some sick "here fishy fishy fishy!!!" joke or something.

      It's very common to belittle script kiddies with their worms and viruses. However, as you've pointed out, some are actually pretty "well-thought-out" if not for the implementation. It's sometimes interesting to look at the code on some of these and check out what they're trying to do. How it morphs, propagates, evasion tactics, and amusing social commentary.

    3. Re:Alive? by Tom · · Score: 1

      Wonder what's next. Worms that record where it sends itself to in order to form a distributed AI Network?

      No, we (the worm researchers) are beyond that stage already (it makes countermeasures too easy). I expect the kids to catch up within the year.

      There are lab setups with very intelligent and frightening worms. Distributed, anonymous zombie network creation with fail-safe, encrypted communication channels. Fancy stuff. I've not yet seen any of the papers published. Some of it isn't practical for the Internet, some is.

      Some people, myself included, are looking for non-malicious uses of this technology. Automated software distribution was discussed (and dropped) last year.

      --
      Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
  27. Re:What happened to Darwinism? by Florian+Weimer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wish they could just come out and clearly advocate diverstity among OSes. The biggest threat IMO is the ubiquity of holes, not severity.

    Following the diversity mantra would require me to install Windows on some servers and run IIS. I doubt that this increases security of my systems, especially because I don't know much about Windows server administration.

  28. Why I don't want a "secure" OS by RealProgrammer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is a regular discussion (or flame war) over which operating system is more "secure": Windows, Linux, the BSDs, Mac OS X, or whatever. Anyone with a bit of understanding knows that there's no answer to that discussion, except if you ask which one is easiest to secure, and even then you have to ask who the securer is and what tasks will be performed. But that's not what I want to talk about.

    Telling less experience users that a particular OS is "secure" leads them to think they don't need to be vigilant. Same thing with telling them a firewall will solve their worm problems, or that as long as they keep up with patches they're safe from attacks. All of these are important, but no single one of them is a panacea.

    I didn't RTFPDF, but it's common wisdom that a multi-layered approach to security is best. No individual step fixes everything, nor usually even stops all of the attacks it's designed to stop. All we do is raise the bar, and hope attackers will go elsewhere.

    So don't tell me that an OS is "secure". I know there isn't such a thing. Tell me what its soft spots are, so I can layer other defenses around them. Maybe the bad guys will pass me by for a while.

    --
    sigs, as if you care.
    1. Re:Why I don't want a "secure" OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should remove all the locks from your house and just be more vigilant instead. As for me I'm going with the secure system. I have better things to do than sit up all night watching for intruders.

      Michael

    2. Re:Why I don't want a "secure" OS by RealProgrammer · · Score: 1

      >As for me I'm going with the secure system.

      Assuming you mean the system that's more securable, I agree.

      Security is an emotion. You decide what level of risk is tolerable (makes you feel you're secure), and do what you need to do to get there.

      For you, security is having a "secure system". I wish you the best.

      --
      sigs, as if you care.
    3. Re:Why I don't want a "secure" OS by valmont · · Score: 1

      Very-well put. While a staunch advocate of the OS X platform vs Windows, I always do my best to emphasize that security only exists in relative terms. Lemme know what you think of this little rant i put out back in june.

    4. Re:Why I don't want a "secure" OS by jd · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I'm not convinced. Let's take the following fictional setup:


      Firewall box is running something like OpenBSD (or some other heavily-audited OS), with a pro-active NIDS that detects abnormal network behaviour and shuts down the offending connection.


      User box is running some sort of B1-class "Trusted OS". (A1 would be nicer, but there aren't any commercial A1-certified OS'.) The OS has file-integrity checkers, such as Tripwire, to screen for infections. All externally-originating connections are host-authenticated. RSH and other "vulnerable" protocols are totally disabled. All passwords are validated as "strong" and kept in a secure file or database. Again, all software is heavily audited. Anything considered potentially "unsafe" is run with strict bounds-checking and in a highly controlled environment (eg: a chrooted "jail".)


      In practice, I don't know of any user who actually has a setup of this kind, but let's suppose someone did. Would they still need to be vigilent? Is there anything that is likely to be able to bust through that kind of security? Even if a potential exploit existed somewhere along the chain, isn't the chain sufficiently extensive that nobody could ever make use of it?


      And even if someone could bust through and seize control of such a machine, isn't the threshold so high that the only people able to do it would likely not be stopped by anything you as a user could possibly do? No matter how vigilent you were?


      I believe that "secure" computers can exist, that there is nothing fundamentally impossible about having a setup that is, to any practical degree, uncrackable but still useful to users.


      I don't believe any such systems exist for home users. (I don't consider a top-end SGI box, running the latest and greatest version of IRIX, to be a device you could really call a home computer.) However, equally, I don't believe there is any law of nature which prevents such systems existing for home users.


      When (not if) such systems are developed for the home user, I think it would be very safe for such users to cut back on security patches and eternal vigilence. The combination of holes required to breach such a system would be unlikely to exist, so letting a few holes slide shouldn't be a problem.


      And if someone was good enough to get through all those layers of automatic defence, they'd likely be good enough to get past any defence a mere individual could put up, no matter how vigilent they were.

      --
      It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
    5. Re:Why I don't want a "secure" OS by ZorbaTHut · · Score: 1

      I don't believe any such OS *can* exist for home users.

      Think about it. I send HappyFunScreenSaver.exe to someone. He runs it. The OS locks down and puts it in a chrooted jail, and HappyFunScreenSaver.exe prints "Oh No! It looks like I'm in jail! I can't run from inside jail. If you want to play the HappyFunScreenSaver game, just type in your password so I can get out of jail!"

      Note that this "type in your password" option is going to have to exist somewhere in the OS. It's a user OS. The user's going to want to play Half-life 2. The user's going to want to download AIM and ICQ and MSN and Y! and Kazaa Lite. (Can you imagine Kazaa Lite trying to apply for "trusted code" status? Yeah, right.)

      So the user types in their password, the OS says "Oh, okay, the user really wants this to have full access", and badabing badaboom, HappyFunScreenSaver.exe (also known as SubSeven Version 2.0) has full access to their system.

      I don't care how many warnings you put up. I don't care if you put big red flashing lights on the dialog, or play an air horn, or send small electrical shocks through the mouse if it looks like they'll click on "Authorize". The user wants their Kazaa Lite, and they won't use an OS that restricts that.

      And the user wants their HappyFunScreenSaver.

      Also, saying that users won't need to patch is just dumb. What if an exploit is discovered that lets HappyFunScreenSaver not need access? Boom! What if we find a hole in the GUI layer, that has the same result? Bammo! What if there's a bug in the web browser, and it puts a program in their startup, or on their desktop, or in their "My Documents", any of which can clearly contain malware? Zappo!

      --
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    6. Re:Why I don't want a "secure" OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such an OS still won't stop phishing attacks that use psychological rather than technical methods to bypass security.

  29. Make MS security a point of nat;l security by gelfling · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I really don't understand that if the government spends billions of dollars a year on IT products and billions more in house fixing the holes why they don't simply create a master RFP for Microsoft clearly articulating what the security requirements are and that if they are not met they lose pieces of the bid until it is. I mean if the DoD doesn't have the clout to bash these lazy slackers in Redmond upside the head then we're all wasting our time worrying about security.

    MS annnounced yesterday that they are seriously considering ending FREE security patches in order,

    now listen real carefully -

    NOT to provide better or worse security, but to wield an effective blunt object against counterfeiters.

    Microsoft views YOUR security as nothing more than a convenient tool to blackmail the entire known world into paying for MS's product. It doesn't matter that you or I never actually stole any of their product - we WILL be threatened with cyber terrorism for the criminalities of other people until WE ALL cough up more money to pay.

    And at the end of the day MS makes zero warranty that patches that cost real money will be any better than the FREE updates we already get.

    Seriously, in other countries and in other industries this why industries get nationalized by an irate fed up underserviced populace.

  30. Re:What happened to Darwinism? by DeepFried · · Score: 1

    Following the diversity mantra would require me to install Windows on some servers

    If you are not running Windows you are already following the diveersity mantra ;P

    --


    Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my hard disk?
  31. I really want to see a proper worm anlysis by Timesprout · · Score: 2, Funny

    So, when you start feeling like a worm?

    Do you feel like people are always looking down on you?

    Do you feel segmented and isolated from society?

    Do you worry about cholesterol given you have 8 hearts.

    Are you always this slimy or are you just pleased to see me?

    This is the sort of stuff we really need to know because to borrow the immortal words of that famous philosopher, John Rambo "To survive worm you must become worm".

    --
    Do not try to read the dupe, thats impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth
    What truth?
    There is no dupe
  32. Re:Using ggv...Digest Version by fshalor · · Score: 2, Funny

    Jeeze man... U type like I do. :)

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    -=fshalor ::this post not spellchecked. move along::
  33. *BSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    FreeBSD and OpenBSD make damn good worm-resistant webservers too.

    1. Re:*BSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh bullshit. Everybody knows worms love dead things...

  34. thank you by dJOEK · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I, as a European, would like to thank our American friends for funding this information for the entire world

    It's very nice to see that an organisation such as NSA makes this info Globally Accessible.
    This is important, especially with your current president.

    Of course, the US benefits from the fact that worms do not spread to the nation of freedom

    So once again, thank you for knowing we exist!

    PS Slashdot is America-centric ! ;-)

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    1. Re:thank you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PPS Slashdot was created in America, by Americans, hosted on American servers running in America.

      You're free to come visit, but if you want to bitch that an American site is too America-centric then go to al Jazeera!

    2. Re:thank you by dJOEK · · Score: 1

      It was a joke, AC.

      the american-centric thing is an age-old rant. you know, the kind we imagine beowulf clusters of?

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    3. Re:thank you by Rudisaurus · · Score: 1
      I, as a European, would like to thank our American friends for funding this information for the entire world

      It's very nice to see that an organisation such as NSA makes this info Globally Accessible.
      Actually, you weren't supposed to see that; it was intended for our eyes only. Could you please forget everything you read? Thank you.
      --
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  35. Just Wondering... by Jameth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    On this topic of layered defenses:

    Is it possible to use the Xen VM that was on Slashdot earlier today to run multiple OSes and use one OS on the machine as a firewall for the other?

    Could you rig the setup of one so that it couldn't crash the hardware, it could at most make itself crash and reboot without the computer going with it?

    1. Re:Just Wondering... by qwp · · Score: 0

      if we do this enough times it would suck to have to write recursive dos attacks.

    2. Re:Just Wondering... by Spoing · · Score: 4, Informative
      1. Is it possible to use the Xen VM that was on Slashdot earlier today to run multiple OSes and use one OS on the machine as a firewall for the other?

      If you mean stacking VMs up to filter traffic...no...that won't work.

      If you mean stacking VMs so that only specific VMs 'see' each other at the network level, yes. That works with VMs or connected systems with properly configured routers.

      The reason? Firewalls are not designed to block the network. Firewalls are designed to allow access for specific ports in specific ways. If you chain systems together, and each hands off the allowed packets to the destination system, you've just punched a hole through the firewall to that final system.

      By isolating systems so that only ones that are required to 'see' each other can 'see' each other, you've added a meaningful level of protection. This does not require a firewall. It requires router configuration even if the router is software running in another VM and routes for VMs on the same machine. It also requires that you design services and apps to work in this environment; seperate the web server from the DB for example. If it is a web server, and you just remap the default web server port 80 to another port, you've done nothing; the data still passes both ways and the destination is still potentially exposed.)

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      A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
  36. Re:Good grief by lifeblender · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From their own report, it doesn't look like it:

    "It is unrealistic to assume that users will become cautious about running unknown files."
    p. 6, last line of second paragraph

    Even the NSA thinks ordinary people won't get smart about computer security.

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  37. Maybe they intend to... by Nick+Driver · · Score: 1

    Anyone else think they made the worms seem a bit too alive in the paper?

    ...hold a funeral for all the old worm code once it's dead.

  38. Re:Using ggv...Digest Version by jacksonj04 · · Score: 2, Funny

    My.... eyes. They burn!

    --
    How many people can read hex if only you and dead people can read hex?
  39. Re:Make MS security a point of nat;l security by archen · · Score: 1

    Well that would be a fun time wouldn't it?

    Kazaa flooded by LATEST_SECERETI_PATCH.EXE with a description of "This is not a virus, honest!" and a teddy bear icon.

  40. I don't agree with part of their analysis. by khasim · · Score: 1
    Tricks a user (infection)
    The other 3 items are legitimate worm items.

    This is how a trojan infects someone. I don't think it should be in their list.
  41. Re:Make MS security a point of nat;l security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Your analysis has a critical flaw because it is based on an incorrect assumption. You assume that a primary purpose of government is to protect the country and it's citizens. This is not true of all regimes. Many governments primarily exist to protect and promote the welfare of the ruling class, usually at the expense of the rest of the citizens. The most obvious recent example is Iraq under Hussain.

    The USA is also an example of a country that puts the well being of a select group of individuals (and organizations) ahead of the general well being of the rest of the country. In this case the primary protected group are the ultra wealthy.

    Even though some groups in the government product reports like this, the important government policies are intended to promote the interest of business even at the expense of the rest of society. For example, why does the law allow EULA agreements that provide a massive loophole for the installation of spy ware? Because the business community supports them. A click through or "open the package" EULA is like going to a car lot and discovering that you bought a car because you opened the door. Bad for you, great for the car dealer.

    When government and big business combine, capitalism dies. Microsoft is on that road, along with the communication industry and the investment sector. There are other areas where capitalism still thrives, but given the chance they will also go this route. There is a name for this political system. It's called fascism. Note that this is a descriptive term, not a curse word. It describes a specific combination of power between business and government. It has other characteristics, but for the purpose of understanding the economic issues they are not as relevant.

    The short answer is to stop watching the Disney channel and start reading the newspaper, primarily the news and business sections. They don't hid it very well, it's just that almost no one notices.

  42. Re:Make MS security a point of nat;l security by ApolloCreed · · Score: 1
    >> MS annnounced yesterday that they are seriously considering ending FREE security patches

    Can anyone post a link to this announcement?

  43. Can we ever have a secure OS??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can we ever have an absolute secure OS? When we raise the bar then attackers will find a way to go around it. They won't go elsewhere. The only way to solve the security problem eternally is to get rid of the attackers. That's not possible. Hence having an absolute secure system is just a day dream.

  44. Dry and Boring!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have ready better strategy guides to Starcraft...

    They have to the same tables of attacks and defenses,, but somehow they managed to keep it interesting!!!

    Posted anonymous cause someone at /. no like me much anymore.

  45. Re:Make MS security a point of nat;l security by msoftsucks · · Score: 1

    I actually hope that they do this!! It will be Christmas for Linux. Already WinBlows is many times more expensive than Linux. This will just make it that much more expensive. When critical Linux security issues are patched free within 1 day, and WinBlows security issues cost money and take over a year (just look at the unpatched 50 (I)nferior (E)xplorer holes), companies will migrate over to Linux in droves.

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    Linux - of the people, by the people, and for the people.
  46. Why I don't have to be vigilant by RealProgrammer · · Score: 2, Insightful
    [Setup is a firewall and locked-down OS]. Would they still need to be vigilent? Is there anything that is likely to be able to bust through that kind of security? Even if a potential exploit existed somewhere along the chain, isn't the chain sufficiently extensive that nobody could ever make use of it?

    My point is that you need to have that kind of situation, which is a multi-layered approach.

    But to answer directly, yes, they still need to be vigilant. They're still being a client, unless the box is unplugged from the network. Do I download that RPM or MSI and install it, or do I check it out first? Do I log in as root, or do I waste time with a luser account?

    The user who thinks he has a "secure" OS doesn't bother with the basics, or with a virus checker, or checking the signature on a tarball.

    --
    sigs, as if you care.
    1. Re:Why I don't have to be vigilant by fugas · · Score: 1
      A good example of an additional security layer for Windows is using a 'hardening' tool, such as:

      http://stoplistening.com/

      or

      http://www.firewallleaktester.com/wwdc.htm

      These disable certain Windows protocols / services to ensure no worms can attack the system by exploiting known or unknown security holes in those components.

  47. Defense Lawyers by Konstantinos · · Score: 1

    After having a couple of beers, I read this as "Using Defense Laywers to Stop Worms"... I'm still ROTFL... poor Worms!

  48. Tax Joke? by MicroBerto · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm not sure if "Your tax dollars at work" was a joke or not, but even as a Libertarian, I have no problem with this. If the government spends resources to educate some people and it ends up saving them hundreds of thousands in the long haul, then that is worth my taxdollars if you ask me.

    Then again, they should already know how to do this and learn for themselves, but a dollar saved is a dollar earned. Damn worms!

    --
    Berto
  49. Slashdot, your fishing headquarters! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm still looking in the Slashdot "Related links" for the best deals on worms. Might catch some fat and sassy BASS that way.

    Best deals: Worms

    If you're a cynic, look here:

    Best deals: United States

    Wonder how much it cost the RNC. (and making that video tape! Bin Laden look-alikes are real expensive these days. )

  50. Re:Make MS security a point of nat;l security by gelfling · · Score: 1

    You DO understand that if a company's largest customer can't influence them then no one can, don't you? This is a real issue not some pseudotheoretical Libertarian wetdream.

  51. Re:Good grief by tenton · · Score: 1

    "It is unrealistic to assume that users will become cautious about running unknown files."
    p. 6, last line of second paragraph

    Even the NSA thinks ordinary people won't get smart about computer security.


    And why wouldn't they? Have you worked with these "ordinary people"?

    I laugh everytime the computer guys send an email out warning about not open strange attachments and then I stop. That's because I know A: somebody probably already did it (hence the warning) and B: The network is about the get slow.

  52. Oh, I get it! Its.. by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

    a firewall AND patching. Not one or the either! Thanks Mr. NSA!

  53. Using Colour Defenses to Stop Internet Blindness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  54. A few papers to consider reading on the subject... by jrl · · Score: 1

    Say it with me...
    DAC is DAC is DAC.

    http://www.dyadsecurity.com/papers/rbac.html
    ht tp://www.nsa.gov/selinux/papers/inevitability
    htt p://hissa.ncsl.nist.gov/rbac/paper/rbac1.html
    htt p://www.radium.ncsc.mil/tpep/library/rainbow/52 00.28-STD.pdf

  55. Re:Why I don't want a "secure" OS - u forgot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...1 thing - users. You can have a technically secure system but add a user and it no longer is !

  56. Re:Good grief by lifeblender · · Score: 1

    Of course I've worked with them. Heck, I've worked IT and tech support. But it's been a few years, and I thought maybe things could get better. I suppose I'm an optimist in that regard. I thought that eventually enough people might use computers from childhood that these security issues would be known among normal users. I suppose that's quite a ways off, even though my first experiences with computer internals were in elementary school.

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