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FIC Condor Small Form Factor Reviewed
VL writes "A gamer's best friend? That's FIC's catch phrase, and we take them to task in our latest review. 'FIC put together a nice little barebone PC, but missed on some important features that enthusiasts have come to expect. While it's no slouch in gaming, it does not stand out in the performance department which is a shame as the design itself was well thought out.'"
looks to me like a humidifier
All the torrents you could want.
200W powersupply, average looks and average expansion slots.
Now I guess ok for a living room PC, but for small form facter lan party box, I'd pass. Been looking at the Frag box, now thats a nice looking PC.
Pros: Good performance, easy to assemble a system, better than average expansion options. Quiet.
Cons: No BIOS tweaks possible. Mere 200W PSU. Poor onboard audio.
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Its made for gamers, not techies. ;)
The system had the verbosity of HTML combined with all the readability of compiled assembly viewed as bitmap images
On another topic, I think that it is rather foolish to order a specialty PC and not be able to repair it yourself, or have the money to buy totally new parts. It's similar to owning an old car from a now defunct manufacturer. Cusomers shouldn't expect the same service as if they owned an uncustomized computer from a large manufacturer.
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Thank you.
ive had a tiny computer like that for a while, and its a heating nightmare... ive had it overheat so much i had to pull out the ol' dremmel and saw a hole in the side, to add a fan. but now its all noisy, and still is quite hot.
my question is, with one of those new 3.6 pentiums (the heat kings), and a new radeon or geforce, can this thing sustain long gaming parties without melting down? especially when it has so little fans and such a cramped case?
My father-in-law gave me his old HP Pavilion 6683, since Windows 98 was hosed on it and he'd upgraded. I plugged it in, and Zzzzt, smell of ozone.
Opening up the case, I found that just to see how much RAM was installed I had to remove the motherboard from the case!
I installed a new power supply and installed Linux for my daughter. She's happy, but I'm not looking forward to the next time I have to open up that POS.
sigs, as if you care.
Doesn't it seem odd that a small form factor PC is named after a very large bird?
I'm not sure what the problem is as this model and other non-standard designs are somewhat nifty from a maintainance perspective. I've found some that are quite a bit better. While I stick to Compaq Deskpro ATX systems for cheap servers, there is one non-standard form factor Deskpro I bought to try out that was surprisingly easy to disassemble to nearly an empty case without needing a screwdriver.
While ATX is nice for maximum flexibility, it demands a pretty large box even for miniATX, and even then not many cases place an emphasis on ease of maintinance anyway.
Who cares if it's a nightmare to upgrade/repair?
Computers are heading in the same direction all household appliances have gone: fixed-function and disposable. Ignoring all the environmental concerns and whatnot, this is inevitable. It wasn't really all that long ago when a TV owner was expected to replace tubes in their TV as casually as we replace ink cartridges in our printers. Now TVs end up in the trash when the power switch breaks.
Using the "mom test", I've had my mom add memory and swap cards/drives in her computer, and she's recently even done it without my direction or assistance. Non-technical people can do this stuff, it's just that they don't want to. Most people just want their computer to work, and, when it doesn't they want to be able to buy a cheap replacement because their time is too valuable to bother fixing it.
I'm not advocating this trend, but it's obviously the choice of the bulk of consumers. You are going to be fighting a losing battle if you try to stop this.
I prefer beige pearl, myself.
I have a mini system I put together from parts. It's a nice enough case (an off-brand minitower I got from computer geeks) but it - like just about every single mini system I've seen - has these damn doors over the ports on the front. The cdr door isn't too bad (except that it also means you have to remove the front of the drawer on the drive thus leaving the noiseproofing gasket out of the picture, which means going back four years to listening to jet engine takeoffs every time you use a DVD or CD) but the doors on the connectors mean your stuck with two choices:
1) never use the front panel jacks
2) use the front panel jacks and risk damage to the cheap plastic doors thus ensuring your nice looking system eventually looks like ass.
Of course, 1) isn't foolproof either, since it's incredibly easy to break on of these things off at the hinges just by laying it in the car seat wrong.
I can't stand those cubes with the jacks sticking out the front like some afterthought, either - but would it really be so hard to stick all those jacks in a nice even row at the bottom of the case behind a black rubber or felt gasket? Maybe use those black nylon fibers like at the end of vacuum cleaner dust attachments. It would look nice, be unbreakable, and only slightly more cumbersome to connect (Where's the hole? I know it's here somewhere...")
Anything other than flimsy plastic doors would be an improvement... especially at 650 fucking dollars! Yeesh!
Im tired of these mfg. pandering to the "gamer" crowd. (obviously there is lotsa money in this market). However, I tend to prefer the big power-hogging flashy-lights boxen. I think the sleek metal toasters would more appeal to the office, asthetics people. And if you're really looking for power for the money you'd build it yourself. This is the most impressive to me- ones determination to create a unique machine. If you're into gaming, you're also likely to be sitting on your butt, thus undercutting the small form factor (which tacks on lotsa parts costs) which are more suited to portable/embedded applications.
Now if you just like spending money on trivial things.... well I'll be quiet then
I hate to be cynical, but all these review sites "like"/"don't like" products based on:
...and a zillion other things unrelated to actual product quality or suitability. Meanwhile, of course, they're all getting played by the companies, who reward good reviews by bumping those sites up on the list of who gets Hot Product A in what order.
Which is why this has no business being on the front page. Put it in games.slashdot.org and make it a non-frontpage for slashdot.org....or something...
You can damn well bet that if they wanted to 'like' the unit, the PSU figures would not have been mentioned, the onboard audio problems dismissed as moot because "we all install soundblaster audigy boards anyway", so on etc. You get the idea. The review remains technically accurate, but the bias clearly swings.
Please help metamoderate.
When the first SFF (small form factor) machines came out, I was interested, but they were very limited with low-rent technology. That's not the case anymore. You want a PCI Express, or the latest Athlon-64, or maybe you want a steady-as-a-rock Intel 865 chipset and matching P4? There are well built SFF machines that fit the bill, and all you give up are PCI slots.
My latest gaming machine is a Soltek 3401 (review at http://www.sfftech.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=464) with what was at the time the highest-end stuff, a P4 at 3 Ghz, a Radeon 9800XT, and to get a real gameport, a SB Audigy in the only PCI slot, along with two optical drives. The resulting machine is rock-steady, even overclocked and running 24/7 and playing all the latest games. Plus, it is a snap to travel to conventions with - it came with its own backback and I can check it in as a carry on. Bringing it to clients' is no problem either.
This computer is the quietest I've ever had (save for the fanless, hard driveless Apple //e) and extremely reliable. When at conventions, it stays just as fast and delivers gameplay just as good as any of those modded, neon-lit monsters other folks bring, but at 1/3 the size.
Though this FIC board doesn't seem to be very overclockable, most Shuttles and Solteks are. And don't worry about SFF power supplies - they are designed to be efficient and work well despite their low wattage ratings. Just try some high-end cards and be prepared to see them work fine.
If the idea of an SFF machine interests you, check out the reviews and ask around at the forums of http://www.sfftech.com/. I'm glad I did.
I got through two pages when I gave up looking. Shouldn't a review have the price of the product being reviewed? Knowing the price is central to determining whether a product is a good value or not, or at least that's what I thought. Perhaps the reviewers know better than I.
RTFM; please, I beg you.
The parent post is currently modded as "Troll". I must respectfully differ, owning to the fact that the Condor, indeed, looks like a toaster.
I first saw one of these things sitting on an end-cap in Fry's. The very first thought that ran through my head was, "It looks like a toaster." While I was poking at it to see what features it had, a person from behind me remarked, "What is that, a toaster?"
So, just for my own personal amusement, I stood there for a few minutes watching passers-by react to the Condor. I didn't approach or prompt anyone; I just stood idly by watching people. Of those who said anything, the overwhelming majority of them noted a resemblence to a toaster.
So, it looks like a toaster. And, personally, I think that's kinda cool. I think FIC should run with it.
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- It's small
- Extremely quiet (I can hear my roomate's 24" floor-standing fan over this case - and that's 10feet down the hall and behind a closed door)
- Inexpensive (as far as the small form factors go)
Sure it's unique cooling design means I can't stack things on top of my computer (the main exhaust is the PSU and a vent on top of the case). It may be a little bit taller than most SFFs, but it's a little bit skinnier too. The pictures on that page really don't do the little bugger justice: it's quite handsom. The audio and USB jacks on the front? Yeah, they're a little odd - and I don't use the optical audio out, because I have an older vacuum tube audio system. I do, however, absolutely love> the front headphone jack. Another nifty thing about this case is something really odd about the power supply - it has a switched power output. Yeah, like OLD cases used to have, so you could plug your monitor into it and have it come on when you turn your computer on (and off when you turn it off). Being that I never turn my computer off, it's not that big of a deal - but it's a nifty feature nonetheless. I really don't see being unable to tweak clock settings as a bad thing. I don't like overclocking my hardware anyway. As a basis for a mid-range mid-price gaming machine, it just kicks butt. The fans monitor the temperature (Yeah, I wish I could too - but I don't have to) and turn the speed up if it gets too hot. Running at their normal idle speed, they are close to silent. It's a build it and forget it machine. Yeah, you can go in and upgrade things if you like, but I don't foresee the need to upgrade for another four years (I was running a p3-800mhz / kyro (and then geforce3) system up until 3 months ago, played everything fine.. and then I wanted to play doom3). I'm running a p4 3ghz (ht) with 512mb ram and a radeon 9600. Maybe I can't play doom3 at 1600x1200, but really.. I don't care. I like my little machine