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X-prize Award paid
daveywest writes "According to the AP, "SpaceShipOne designer Burt Rutan accepted the Ansari X Prize money, along with a 150-pound trophy, as a chase plane flew over the ceremony in a field adjacent to the St. Louis Science Center.""
until he's got the proposed orbital prize? I bet 2010.
Simon.
Make the thing fly with the trophy in it...
Was it one of those big checks? I always wondered how you're supposed to get them in the tiny deposit envelopes.
After the Ansari X-Prize, the next big prize to watch is the Ralph Kramden Prize.
One of these days, Alice... to the moon!
As for the $10m prize, how is it all going to be split? I assume Rutan won't get to keep all of it?
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The folks who made this prize award real, the folks at the St. Louis Science Center, the leadership of St. Louis, Peter Diamandis and the Ansaris are real heroes in this. They deserve as much recognition as Rutan's team.
Seastead this.
He accomplished what the X-Prize was meant for. All criticisms aside, he won the prize fair and square. I hope his team makes good use of their design in the future.
This is great news. However, we all know that the X-Prize works based on donations. I hope that they still have money for daily operations and for future pricez. The X-CUP will require a lot more money than the X-Prize. However, I'm sure that corporations will turn the white space crafts into race cars (full with ads), which should pay for most of the expenses. The SpaceShipOne has the Virgin logo on it.
This is the kind of thing all us hard-core geeks who grew up reading the Real Heinlein (from the '40s and 50s, before he got too preachy to tell a story) have dreamed of. A lot of really good geeks have died wanting to see this day.
Maybe a Mainframe Terminal of the Unknown Geek can be built for them. Instead of an eternal flame it could have an eternal Estes engine on it.
"Wow. Now THAT'S a lot of angry Indians." - Lt. Col. George Armstrong Custer
"Paul Allen will split the $10 million prize with inventor Burt Rutan, with Rutan making payments to each of his employees who helped design, build, test, and fly SpaceShipOne.
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Afraid of difference or change are we? Racist and afraid of others? Ahh yes this is the TRUE American dream, to be in the KKK.
Considering YOU are the FORIGNER in the US. Wait, I think you forgot that.
I'm sure we here on
I want to drag this out as long as possible. Bring me my protractor.
I guess it won't happen since a VC company would very likely be concerned about X-Prize Spinoff Inc.'s 5-year-return (basically, the way it works is that VC companies focus on return-on-investment; as a rule of thumb that should happen in a 3-7 year timeframe (5 being the median), at least if you want to be taken seriously). That's unless you have plan to develop new technology that you could use to make money in a licensing deal (eg. license your technology to the government/NASA). Or if there were some serious tax incentives.
And this actually is one of those areas were tax breaks could, at least in my opinion, significantly stimulate growth.
Spaceship one only cost something like $20 million. How much money do you think the Soviet Union spent on in 40+ years ago? I don't know the figures, but I'm guessing its far far more than $20 million.
The amount of money was pretty small. Thats the point of privitization, the price goes down due to neccessity
I hope the a similar thing to the x-prize continues. The next big thing is getting into orbit (far more difficult than the sub-orbital flight, which was still very difficult).
The winning of the x-prize is step one. Hopefully, we'll see more progress in the years to come.
But yeah, it is a shame this hasn't happened sooner.
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Burt Rutan looks a bit like Zefram Cochrane, doesn't he? :-)
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By contrast, in racist places like India and China, a Thai born in those places would never be considered or accepted as a "Native India" or "Native Chinese".
Racist bigots, such as yourself, believe that only White people are Americans. On the contrary, quite a few Americans of Asian ancestry serve in America's armed forces and are prepared to kill Indians and Chinese in any war between India/China and the USA.
Is to convince his bank manager that spending 25+ million to win 10 million was actually a good idea.
It was an excellent achievement but I think the real challenge is to get people to actually hand over their cash as easily as they pledge it and create a viable space tourism/haulage business.
To be honest once the novelty and rich morons exclusivity factor wears off I cant see it happening.
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OK... It was something between a flamebait and a troll, but I do have to answer, anyway.
If we leave space travel and exploration to NASA or ESA, next time a big rock fall from the sky, we will join the dinossaurs.
What we need are cost-effective ways to get to space and back. We need cost-effective general-purpose vehicles to carry probes, people and cargo around. We need simple and reliable systems that can be assembled in orbit to form larger structures. No government agency, no matter what it does, will ever want a cost-effective way to do something because it means less money for them to spend.
If you factor in all the costs involved, you will realize your nose-hair-trimmer took more than a million years in developing. First, we had to learn how to use our thumbs, next we had to learn how to make and keep fire, then learn how to work with metals...
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I'm wondering how they will spend that money - I realize their development costs were well over 10 mill in the first place, but I hope some of that goes back into new ventures.
...should be enough cover his gas costs.
;)
how on earth did a picture of kevin spacey show up in the slideshow? (page 6)
I'm a huge Rutan fan, but it's gotta be orbital or bust.
Creating a huge reverse bungee-jump looks like a hoot, but until you go orbital you are not demonstrating real economic value (over just fun).
Perhaps the industry can survive for several years on 90-minute tourist rides, but I don't know. 1-hour delivery of packages and executives anywhere in the world will change the future.
Burt Rutan is a brilliant airplane designer, and SpaceShipOne is a great rocket-powered airplane (as was the X-15, in 1951), but I don't think he'll even attempt to gain Robert Bigelow's "America's Space Prize" for a 7-passenger orbiter. Orbiters are in a nearly completely different design domain than space-planes, needing about 10 times the total impulse (energy), and much more critical management of reentry-generated heat. Rutan's not a daredevil. He's cautious and thorough. Orbiters are innately more risky than space-planes. I don't think he'll be able to come up with a way to reduce the risk to something he can accept.
spending $25 million to make $10 million
Q: Know how to make a small fortune in space travel?
A: Start with a large one.. ;-)
In all seriousness, nice going folks. You won that fair & square; hats off!
There's a Starman, waiting in the sky / He'd like to come and meet us, but he hasn't got the time.
The amount of money was pretty small. Thats the point of privitization, the price goes down due to neccessity
Actually, it seems far more reasonable that the price went down because 40 years ago, thanks to massive government subsidization, scientist sorted all this out and developed practical examples. Lessons learned from those programs are now "free" knowledge for the private sector, so they don't have to start from square one.
That's the point of government subsidized programs.
Last time I looked, "Prizes" were fully taxable income.
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
They bought an insurance policy for something like $100,000 saying that it would only pay if someone fulfilled the requirements. Some insurance company weasel is getting his ass chewed right now by his boss!!!
seems to have a design that is more likely to go orbital than what Rutan did.
Scaled Composites also has a new CMS 5-Axis Gantry Mill.
How fucking cool is that?
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There is nothing easier in the world than being a critic, a doubter, a pessimist, a naysayer. Such as those on this forum who cast doubts that spaceship one concept would work and who now doubt that Rutan can even make an orbital vehicle. Well sir, nothing great is ever accomplished by such thinking. I celebrate the crackpot tinkerers and inventors who toil on despite critics and deriders and continue to think outside the box to bring forth "Impossible" wonders. Burt Rutan is a brilliant engineer and those who work for him are equally so. If you watched 'Black sky: the race for space' you will have seen that he already has an orbital vehicle on the drawing board.(at least) I for one will not bet against his eventual success
Sure he played by the rules but I would have preferred to see them win it with, you know, the three people required instead of 'ballast' in their place. Call me picky, but hey.....
Let me announce a $1 prize for any one who will hurl Microsoft out of this galaxy!!
If it's OK to use ballast in place of two of the three passengers, why did it have to be a manned flight at all? Why not an autopilot plus enough ballast to account for three passengers?
hooray for capitalism!
While I'm not debating that privatization lowered the price considerably, don't forget that all the billions of dollars sunk into the space program by the public sector mostly paid for research. Not to disparage the SC team's amazing accomplishment, but most of the "hard" stuff was already paid for - by the public sector. Saying that "see the private sector did it for 1% the price, free markets for everyone!" is a bit disengenous to all the people who did a lot of researcht that these private projects are riding on.
...but it's being eaten...by some...Linux or something...
The New York Times is reporting that part of the World Trade Center debris was built into the Mars Rovers.
Perhaps something we need - like cost effective wind power designs that don't kill birds.
Seriously,
Rutan is a genius at aerodynamics, if that prize had been for a 10 dollar airfoild design to generate 100 killiwatts, we could have joined the kiyoto treaty rednecks notwithstanding.
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The soviets had to figure (most of) it out for themselves, besides what we didn't all already know, because we weren't exactly friendly. Consequently it probably cost a lot. They, however, had an orbiter, and so far only governments are there. Be interesting to see it happen though, I'm waiting eagerly.
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Yes, you're the public sector has down all the hard yards in terms of space research. A more constructive thing for me to say would be the cost of private sub-orbital flight is far less than public sub-orbital flight right now. I doubt NASA could have completed the requirements for the X-prize using only $20 million (No, I'm not suggesting anything would be gained by them trying to).
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Sorry about the spelling mistakes, missing words and bad grammar in that post. Haven't had my morning coffee yet. :)
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Wow, He should have spent some of those millions on a new jacket. Or maybe he's just that hip and he bought it since retro 80's gear is hot right now.
Don't know that orbital is the next logical step for a private venture. Sub Orbital though could be quite interesting if you stretched out the legs a little. Would get right interesting if you could get a passenger vehicle to follow the flight profile of something like an ICBM. Anywhere in the world in a couple of hours. If you can do it with a plane that can land conventionally you can use already existing airports.
Say a recreation of the New York to Paris challenge. Only this time it is for a sub orbital hop from New York to Paris with the ability to turn around and do it again the same day.
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The next step is, of course, orbital spaceflight. Once we can do that quickly and cheaply, regular trips to the moon won't be too far off.
Perhaps humans will be permanent residents of Luna within our lifetimes.
Just think,the last big PowerBall Lottery was something like $177Mil.cash!
I'm sure NASA developments are used by the US military. The US air force have already stated that they'll shoot down any satellites they feel are threatening US national security.
Space is very political and so far it appears to be the US that is claiming they run the show.
Burt Rutan accepted the Ansari X Prize money, along with a 150-pound trophy,
And then used the money to buy Doom3 and a system that can actually run it. Carmack always wins.