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Ekush: A CherryOS For the Windows World?

GvG writes "Yesterday, Ekush version 0.10 was released (binary only, no source). Ekush is a relatively new attempt at cloning Microsoft Windows. The ReactOS project has the goal of creating a GPLed OS that is compatible with Microsoft Windows applications and drivers. The release of Ekush caused some uproar in the ReactOS community, since it soon became apparent that Ekush was not much more than a repackaged version of ReactOS. Doing a simple string search for ReactOS on the Ekush binaries showed a number of hits. (Read on for more.)

GvG continues "Shortly after this was reported on the ReactOS mailing list, the Ekush website went down "for maintenance". Today they are back with a slightly altered set of binaries, which no longer contain the ASCII string "ReactOS". However, they forgot to search for Unicode strings... Ekush is not only violating the rights of ReactOS by deriving a product without releasing the modified source, they also derive code of (and are violating the rights of) Wine, FreeType and QEmu."

Larry Snyder adds "Additionally, at the time of this writing, their binary floppy diskette driver appears to be a near exact copy of the Windows 2k pro fdc.sys driver, with the copyright string and header changed."

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  1. Why cant Comerical Enterprise respect IP Rights by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is too bad that a lot of people confuse Open Source with Public Domain. That is the problem with free software that is open source is that people feel compelled that they could use it to "Make" their own product without any form of recognition to the original developers. While I feel the GPL is strict on a lot of thing that it shouldn't be but just blatantly releasing a product that is based off an Open Source project with a different license is just wrong. I think there should be more education for the public that Free Software is not Public Domain and ripping off Open Source Work is just as bad a Pirating Closed Source Software. It is too bad that Commercial Enterprise doesn't respect IP Rights.

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    1. Re:Why cant Comerical Enterprise respect IP Rights by Tim+C · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is too bad that Commercial Enterprise doesn't respect IP Rights.

      Bullshit. That's an overly broad generalisation if ever I heard one.

      [Disclaimer: the following should not be taken to represent the views of my employer and is purely my own, personal opinion]

      The vast majority of "commercial enterprises" that respect IP rights, if only because not doing so can quite easily land you in court. Speaking as a senior programmer paid mostly to create closed-source web apps, I can tell you that I and my colleagues take IP rights issues extremely seriously. We won't even use trial software past the expiration of the trial period, or for commercial purposes (eg working on an actual client project) if the terms forbid it. Why not? We create software for a living. If people don't pay us to write software, we (eventually) don't get paid. Why, then, would I not afford other programmers the same consideration that I ask for? It's called "enlightened self-interest".

      Now, I appreciate that there are from time to time stories on here about such and such a company violating the GPL. I'm not saying that no company does so; regrettably, human nature being what it is, there will always be some that do so. However, to say that "commercial enterprise doesn't respect IP rights" is so far from the truth as to be verging on flamebait. Let me put it this way - some open source coders pirate movies, games, etc. Does that mean that I can say that "it's too bad that Open Source Coders don't respect IP Rights"?

      Sorry for the pseudo-flame, but this place really needs to tone down the anti-business rhetoric sometimes. Making money isn't automatically evil.

    2. Re:Why cant Comerical Enterprise respect IP Rights by randalx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't think it's a question of understanding the GPL. I think these people are just crooks who wish to make a fast buck and couldn't care less about breaking the laws until they get sued. And since most OS projects have limited funds they are less fearful.

  2. Enforced Dilution? by torpor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Could it be that these various randomly 'popping-up' projects, gathering press around the 'theft' of code from OSS projects, is part of a larger dilution strategy?

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  3. Bangladesh by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 5, Funny

    The website mntions that its designed for the Bangladesh market. I went to college with a prince of Bangladesh. He screwed me over on our final project for physics. Didn't show up for the presentation, then claimed that he had done all of the work I presented. Unfortunate for him, he didn't relalise that I had been consulting the professor on a regular basis about the project. So it was obvious who was telling the truth. I'm not saying everyone there is corrupt. In fact, the only problem I had with the situation is that he didn't even offer me a bribe of any kind.

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    1. Re:Bangladesh by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well that's it then. Up until now I knew nothing about Bangladesh and cared less, but now you've posted that anecdote I hate everyone there.

      Nuke 'em I say.

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    2. Re:Bangladesh by SilveRo_kun · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bill, that was MY project, stop lying already >:(

      Prince Ekush of Bangladesh.

  4. Always liked the ReactOS concept by eltoyoboyo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have been distantly following the ReactOS project and even gave it a short test in a Virtual PC environment. It has a long way to go yet. It also has a tough uphill battle since you could (feasibly) purchase Windows NT and licenses on eBay and outfit yourself with the real deal, minus ongoing support from Microsoft.

    So is this a fork in the code? And why would you do such a fork at such an early stage? I cannot see that there is any money to be made from ReactOS or EKush yet.

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  5. Re:Get the nooses ready boys... by blowdart · · Score: 5, Funny

    Imagine the confusion when this bunch get sued.

    "Hurrah" shouts slashdot "serves you right for breaking the gpl"

    by Microsoft lawyers

    "Boo" shouts slashdot, "they are stopped competition"

    cue explosions of heads all around.

  6. Not just a problem for free software. by twitter · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I think there should be more education for the public that Free Software is not Public Domain and ripping off Open Source Work is just as bad a Pirating Closed Source Software.

    "Ripping off" free software is actually worse because it confuses the message of free software. The message of free software is that free people can co-operate to make tools for themselves that work. A ripped free software tool with "improvements" directly undermines that message by trying to convince people that they need some closed software to make their lives easier. Typically, the ripped version is inferior but the money involved will create a stream of advertising that says otherwise. Public education on the value, cause and workings of free software is an ongoing project.

    It is too bad that a lot of people confuse Open Source with Public Domain.

    No, these bozos knew what they were doing and did not limit their "theft" to free software. They knew that they were violating licenses for free software just as much as they knew they were violating M$'s license by distributing their floppy driver. Since having the obvious string matches pointed out, they have tried to replace them without bothering to replace binaries or release source code. As the easiest thing to do would be to release source code, these people are up to no good and know it.

    We shall see if they come clean. If they don't and M$ does not clean their clock, we can draw further conclusions.

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  7. Re:Not a bad idea by isolation · · Score: 5, Informative

    Slow???

    We have third party drivers loading, a explorer.exe clone, application support such as OpenOffice for Win32 loading not to mention we have made replacement apps for regedit, taskmgr, and a Windows like install system. Whats slow about ReactOS development?

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  8. Re:Cloning Windows? by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not a clone, it's an OS that is trying to be Windows binary compatible.

    You could say they're trying to make a better "Windows".

    I know we all love linux here, but IMO the only way to take desktops away from MSFT is to replace them with something thats compatible: something that runs all the same apps and games and supports all the same hardware by way of the same drivers.

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  9. I am the parent poster and I agree by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I am the parent poster and I agree.
    I develop custom software for a lot of companies and making sure that I follow the licenes is very dear to me because that way the company feels comfortable, with me and feels secure using the project. If I use a GPL Library I tell them that I am using a GPL library and if anyone want the source to this program you will have to release it to them. Which isn't an issue for most companies because their Data is far more important then the sourcecode use to manipulate it.

    BTW.
    I was actually making a little joke to conflect Microsoft and SCO who accuse Open Source Programmers not Respecting IP which is just the same gross generalisation.

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  10. Re:Open source != gpl. Let the license wars begin! by Jonathan+the+Nerd · · Score: 5, Informative

    No. The term "Open Source" is a trademark of the Open Source Initiative and/or Software in the Public Interest, and it has a very specific meaning.

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  11. Diggingg dirt. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    A whois shows:

    Registrant
    Shamsuddoha Ranju
    Siemens Road #115, House #39/B
    Gulshan, Dhaka 1213
    BD

    Registrar..: IARegistry.com (http://www.iaregistry.com)
    AKSHOR.COM
    Created on..............: 02-Oct-2001
    Expires on..............: 02-Oct-2006

    Administrative Contact:
    Ranju, Shamsuddoha shamsu.ddoha@siemens.com
    Alpona Portal
    Siemens
    ZN Tower, Road # 8, Plot # 2
    Gulshan, Dhaka 1212 BD
    +880.18.218638 (FAX) +880.2.8819702
    Technical Contact:
    Ranju, Shamsuddoha unibangla@yahoo.com
    Alpona Portal
    Siemens
    ZN Tower, Road # 8, Plot # 2
    Gulshan, Dhaka 1212 BD
    +880.18.218638 (FAX) +880.2.8819702


    The interesting thing is that this guy is not a stranger to OSS either, he's got a savannah account.

    A picture of this con artist showing off the work of other's he's trying to take credit for: here

    The related article says:
    "Licensing is one of the problems the Ekush team is expecting to face. As the project is not based in the US, Ekush OS will not be able to obtain the license banner of General Public License (GPL), the US-based licensing company."

    Showing that either Mr. Ranju or the journalist (or likely both) have little clue on the GPL.
  12. Front Page?!? by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 5, Funny

    ReactOS may well be cool, but *UGH* they really need to find someone that knows how to write HTML.

    I wondered why as I hovered over links the font size changed, cusing the entire page to flicker all over the place - then I found why:

    From their page source:

    meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 5.0"

    Friends dont let Friends use MSFP