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Windows Source Code Seller Arrested

prostoalex writes "New York Times says William O. Genovese Jr., 27, of Meriden, Conn. has been arrested by the Feds for selling source code for Windows NT and Windows 2000 operating systems. It's not perfectly clear whether Genovese was selling the portion of the code that was leaked earlier this year or if he had access to other portions of Windows source code. The timing, though, coincides, as the code leaked in February, the same month NYT claims the entrepreneur obtained the source code."

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  1. United States by Scoria · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not perfectly clear whether Genovese was selling the portion of the code that was leaked earlier this year

    It's not perfectly clear whether Genovese was selling [the code] at all. Innocent until proven guilty, despite what our current administration would have you believe.

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    1. Re:United States by Scoria · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More accurate (and perhaps more timeless)

      Innocent until proven guilty, despite what our newspaper editors or television reporters would have you believe.

      Sensational sells...


      You make an excellent point; however, it is becoming increasingly difficult to distinguish government propaganda from that which is created by our popular media. Our "free press" no longer questions, and our independent media is often suppressed by the prodigious corporate entities.

      In fact, one might compare our popular media to an "objective review service" that publishes only corporate press releases. Everything else, such as excessive coverage of the Laci Peterson case, is merely a diversion. But, as your statement implies, it is much more profitable than practicing objective journalism.

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  2. What the article doesn't say... by Awestruckin · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...is that the guy sold the source code printed on soft white double-ply. (unscented.)

    1. Re:What the article doesn't say... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Funny

      They've caught the guy selling the source, now if they could just lock up the ones selling the binaries then the Internet would be a better place for all of us...

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  3. linux code by Outsider_99 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I heard that people are now leaking the linux code all over the place ;)

    1. Re:linux code by julie-h · · Score: 3, Funny

      Damn! And I just bought a license of Linux for home use.

    2. Re:linux code by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 3, Funny

      1. Steal Windows Source Code
      2. Attempt to sell Windows Source code
      3. GO TO 5
      4. Profit!
      5. Jail

  4. What's funnier? by glh · · Score: 5, Funny

    He tried to use Paypal to sell it, or he sold it for only $20?? Apparently, he doesn't place a high value on MS's source code...

  5. That's a good start... by Advocadus+Diaboli · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... now lets hope that in the next step we extend the arrest to sellers of Windows binary code.

  6. Disgusting by quigonn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I find it disgusting that /. (and other news sites) publish the arrested person's full name. This person is not yet proven guilty, and still has a right for privacy and personal integrity - when a British newspaper published the names of convicted child molesters, lynch mobs formed to try to hunt down and kill those people. This should never happen, as it is totally against the concept of a modern constitutional state.

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    1. Re:Disgusting by Anita+Coney · · Score: 3, Informative

      Despite what people think, there is no right to privacy or "personal integrity" in the US Constitution. Maybe there should be, but as now there isn't.

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    2. Re:Disgusting by jmcmunn · · Score: 4, Insightful


      Why is this guy special? They can give your name and say you were the "alleged" murderer. Or you were "allegedly" invloved in some sort of crime.

      Lets think about it, the terrorist watch list is nothing more than some "alleged" terrorists for the most part. Not all of them have actually been found guilty of anything. Some have of course, but not all.

      So, no. You don't have to be proved guilty. He can of course sue the pants off everyone who ruins his reputation by filing a civil lawsuit or something if he turns out innocent and people have dragged him through the mud.

      But if they released his full name you can bet they are pretty sure about this one.

    3. Re:Disgusting by Lord+Byron+II · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But if they released his full name you can bet they are pretty sure about this one. But that attitude is precisely the problem. First, our system is about "guilt beyond a reasonable doubt", not "they are pretty sure" and second, that assumption is already tainting potential jurers in to believing the man is guilty long before the trial even begins.

    4. Re:Disgusting by AndroidCat · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The name of a person charged with a criminal offence is a matter of public record. (Except when it's not released to protect minors involved in the case.) The time to get nervous is when names, charges and trials are kept secret.

      And I doubt too many people will be forming a lynch mob over Windows source code.

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    5. Re:Disgusting by ZB+Mowrey · · Score: 3, Informative
      The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated...{snip}

      This is generally construed... and has been promulgated by SCOTUS... as a right to privacy.

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    6. Re:Disgusting by blowdart · · Score: 3, Insightful
      How strange. It's perfectly within the "rights" (not that we have a written constitution that documents rights) of UK papers to print the names of those people who have been arrested and charged, except where they are under a certain age. This can, of course, cause problems, the most obvious ones being rape cases where the accuser keeps their anonymity even if is found the case has no merit or was malicious.

      I assume you will be leaving the UK to find this halcyon modern consitutional state.

  7. re: notice that... by Silvercloud · · Score: 4, Insightful

    that just by possessing source code and attempting to sell it, Mr. Genovese is labeled a hacker, in the first line of the article no less. It's a shame that hackers are the continual blacksheep of the tech world...

  8. Re:Who can really gain from this code though? by Scoria · · Score: 4, Informative

    Any malware developer could probably derive a benefit. They are unscrupulous, and it is usually more trivial to examine uncompiled software for vulnerabilities.

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  9. Busted for Selling WMD on Ebay !!! by cbelt3 · · Score: 4, Funny
    I'm very happy to hear that this dangerous criminal who was selling the tools necessary to manufacture Weapons of Mass Despair (Windows Software)to the public has been captured and will be properly punished.

    Now if we can just get the person or persons responsible for wasting so much of my productive time with their crappy code....

  10. Re:Who can really gain from this code though? by Stevyn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Extortionists.

    You get the code, look for flaws, write a program that exploits the flaws, and say "Hey Microsoft, give us $50,000 or we'll release this new virus that will wipe out every computer running Windows 2000 that's connected to the Internet."

    Now that's assuming such a security flaw could exist...and at this point wouldn't surprise a lot of people around here.

    I doubt business rivals would care much because their only competition right now (wrt Windows 2000) seems to be from people in the open source community. You DO NOT want leaked code appearing in OSS.

  11. Why buy stolen code when MS provides it for free?! by Anita+Coney · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's SO easy to get the code legitimately from Microsoft. All you have to do is form a huge country and threaten to convert over to Linux from Windows for security concerns. Ballmer will probably fly out himself with a copy of any source code you desire.

    Now isn't that easier than committing a felony?!

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  12. Along with the code... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    were the comments:

    // Did stuff here when drunk,
    // seems to work, don't change!

    // Obfusticate code and use really
    // old librarys, this should annoy
    // some Wine devs muhahaha

    // Struck a deal with Symantec to
    // leave this vunerability in, don't
    // change!

  13. earlier conviction by Deacon+Jones · · Score: 3, Funny
    In March 2003, he was convicted of eavesdropping

    *sigh* I wish they could convict my mother-in-law of this.

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  14. Fraud charge to be added as well by seniorcoder · · Score: 4, Funny

    Inside sources indicate there will be a fraud charge added: he was representing that this was the code of an operating system.

  15. trade secret != copyright by mangu · · Score: 3, Informative
    Microsoft's source code is copyrighted, ... Moreover, the source code is a trade secret of Microsoft.


    OK, make up your mind, which is it, a trade secret or a copyright? Because copyrighted works are intended to, eventually, become public domain, one cannot copyright a trade secret. Or, at least, that's more or less how it's written in the U.S. Constitution.

  16. Open Source vs Anonymous Source by 4of12 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can see where this is going.

    Recapping:

    If you thought it was difficult doing a thorough Theo code audit for security was a formidable task, even given the open source code, then imagine the difficulty of looking through all of the source and wondering if any of it infringes on anyone's claimed "Intellectual Property". There aren't any options to diff and grep to complete such a task, AFAICT. The other half of the comparison remains under lock and key, except to those with rights to the IP.

    Linus' policy of requiring signed patch contributions to the Linux source looks more and more like a good and proper defensive measure. I'd feel better if other high profile FOSS projects had systems of signing patches and an examinable web of trust between the major contributors. Go ahead and accept patches, but let each contributor sign them.

    The whole issue of IP indemnification reeks of a deliberate strategy to slow the growth of free and open source deployments by sowing doubt into the minds of decision makers considering use of FOSS for their business but must consider risk in their decision (and a limited amount of time and information on which to base a decision).

    Transparency should make FOSS less IP infringing quickly compared to closed source, where IP infringements can be compiled away from easy recognition by the IP owners.

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  17. Re:Need Silent Compiler... by Avian+visitor · · Score: 3, Funny

    He should have used rmcc. Real Man's Compiler Collection won't give you any annoying error messages (even when compiling windows source code).

    Our development team switched to rmcc from gcc when the first version was released back a week ago and the change in productivity was unbelievable.