Posted by
timothy
on from the sane-versioning-system-is-a-plus dept.
Dreadlord writes "Gentoo has released 2004.3 for x86, amd64, hppa, ppc, sparc, and an initial release for ppc64. You can read the information page, the changelog, or go straight to the mirrors, or better yet, the torrents."
Just stressing..
by
iswm
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· Score: 4, Informative
That this is just a new version of the LiveCD. No need to reinstall the core system.
-- Buckethead
Re:I HATE YOU TOO GENTOO
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x.Draino.x
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· Score: 3, Informative
emerge sync, then emerge --update world
done. no need to download a new iso.
Re:Obligatory Gentoo Joke
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BlindSpy
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these are only the versions of the live CD. Your actual Gentoo install has no version number because its always the latest. So regardless if you used 2004.0 or 2004.3 to install - you ultimately have the same version after you've completely installed.
-- Whoever dies with the most toys wins.
Someone's got to say it
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Stevyn
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Before all the dumb jokes start, here's what this means:
If you want to install Gentoo for the first time, you can download a bunch of precompiled packages and complete an installation in a few hours or so, probably less.
If you already have Gentoo on your system, this won't mean much since you can update the everything by with the command(s) "#emerge sync; emerge -uDp world"
This does not mean everyone with Gentoo is going to be compiling for days. You're still stuck with us for a while.
Re:Someone's got to say it
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solarium_rider
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actually, no need to do both commands anymore.
With the latest version of portage, you can just run
# emerge -uDa world
The -a is short for --ask. That will ask you if you really want to emerge the listed packages.
For those who think `emerge sync && emerge -uD world` will update your system:
Don't forget to update the/etc/make.profile link after an `emerge sync`. The sync will place the new profile in/usr/portage/profiles. From the Gentoo Upgrading Guide:
substitute $arch with your arch # rm/etc/make.profile # ln -s../usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/$arch/2004.3/etc/make.profile
Yes, just read the docs here on how to make the switch:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml
Try this new flash game... It's a strange blend of Dungeon Dice and Pac-Man.
Chomp Dice
Re:Get them over with
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PeterPumpkin
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USE flags are very powerful - if and only if - you set them on a per package basis. If you just leave it to setting them globally like they suggest to you in the manual, you will forget/not realize something, screw it up and cause problems.
The USE flags are pretty straight forward when looking at them in the context of a particular package. Pass the -pv ([p]retend to not install the package yet, and [v]erbose to see what USE flags the package will do) option to emerge. Say you do emerge -pv kde. You will probably see that samba support is off by default! Big issues there if you need access to Windows network shares.
If you don't get what a USE flag means, you can always do a "less/usr/portage/profiles/use.desc" to get a description of most of them.
Re:Gentoo - too much time to commit
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Warren_Canuck
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Too time consuming? Granted the initial setup may take a bit longer than RedHat or Debian but maintenance takes so much less time.
I don't have to worry about security holes anymore. I have a firewall setup and I emerge -q sync and emerge -up world every night and look at it whenever there is something for me to update. And when it does update I don't have to worry about other programs not using the most up to date versions of libraries, it does it all for me.
I wouldn't run Gentoo on a slow box but it works wonders on my P4 2Ghz.
Compile...?
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tanveer1979
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Umm, Compiling everything is this big misconception. There are prebuilt binary packages available for most common applications for most architechtures. Infact if gentoo binary package is not there, there is a fair chance you will not get the binary package for other distros as well. I am using gentoo on my AMD64, and i do not want to go back to any other distro.
But then its always a matter of choice. And if the only reason of you not using gentoo is compiling everything from source, then its the wrong reason.
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Re:I HATE YOU TOO GENTOO
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qtothemax
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The big question... does it actually work and take care of everything?
Yes. The only other thing you might want to do (though its usually not necessary) is to update the profile. After an emerge -u world, everything will be current. With gentoo version numbers mean next to nothing. New versions are usually just updates to the installer livecd itself to fix bugs and support more hardware. The packages are updated constantly, not just when new gentoo releases come out.
Re:Gentoo - too much time to commit
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binary+paladin
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Gentoo often refers to itself as a "meta distribution." In many cases it's like an automated Linux From Scratch. Point is, I use Portage and its tools to roll my own stuff on a local server and create binary packages on the server and all my client machines install from there. I don't rice out with stupid optimisations, but it is nice that all my packages are compiled the way I want them. (By that I mean since no one here runs Gnome, I have no Gnome support compiled in, etc.)
A couple of my friends and I use Gentoo as do our servers. With one central server the setup works well and keeps us all up to date with minimal compiling. From my "real world" standpoint it works very, very well. I even keep my mom's laptop up to date this way without having to physically touch the thing.
Plus, once a machine is customized, just keep your/etc and/home and you're set. I keep some common configurations stored on my server as well. This took me a lot of initial work, but it doesn't take me much longer to do an install of Gentoo than any other OS anymore.
I have to hear the cracks around here about compile times all the time... but seriously, who cares? Do you really need the latest KDE the second the ebuild is ready? Start your updates and go to bed. it's very rare that anything isn't complete by the time I get up in the morning.
It's not for everyone, but as should be stated over and over, no distro is nor should every distro be. All I'm saying is that "real world" is a very relative term and for my real world Gentoo is my choice and besides... I think it's fun. I used to be a Slackware fiend so maybe that explains my problem.
Re:version dependencies
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NotoriousQ
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To add to this, there are two modes of masking:
the hard mask -- which means that the package maintainer does not deem the package to be safe at all.
the ~ mask -- which is the unstable package. You can tell the emerge system that you wish to have the unstable system, in which case it will ignore the ~ mask.
Also, there is such a thing as profiles. They have things such as the version of gcc and glibc that your system uses. If you chose the right profile, you can continue building the system with gcc 2.95. Although the packages are not well tested with it, and no one wants to specifically check and mask each package with older profiles.
I'm sure you know it's source based by the dozens of +5 Funny's..
What's good? The package system is transparent and extremely hackable. If you don't touch it, it works just like apt or yum. But if you want to make a change, its extremely easy to pop the ebuild in vim and change it, or fork your own version. Also very easy to produce a "package" for any specific version you like, often as simple as renaming a file.
What's bad? Initial installation takes a while (I can get a useable box in ~ 3 hours. Gnome & co take the longest). Not recommended for slow computers (anything made in the last four years ought to be fine) due to frequent code compilation. Portage moves very very fast. Lots of new versions released every week.
I run it everywhere, including this here Toshiba Tecra S-1 notebook.
I would argue that the few times I have installed gentoo made me much more familiar with linux than playing with Fedora for any period of time would have.
First off, I had submitted Slashdot an official press release which was much more verbose and gave a nice list of reasons for the release and things changed since the last release, but since the editors are a bunch of tools and don't pay attention to what they're adding to the site, it all got lost.
Anyway, for the x86 platform, the primary reason for the getting a newer release is improved hardware support. The newer LiveCD for x86 supports the new Dell EM64T machines and also has vastly improved SATA support over previous releases. This is also the first release where all of the arch teams worked very closely together throughout the entire release process. This is also our first official PPC64 release. The submitter of this story also completely missed the fact that we have a new Alpha release under/experimental, and you can also find embedded stages for arm, mips, ppc, and x86 under/experimental.
Slashdot Mirror
That this is just a new version of the LiveCD. No need to reinstall the core system.
Buckethead
emerge sync, then emerge --update world done. no need to download a new iso.
these are only the versions of the live CD. Your actual Gentoo install has no version number because its always the latest. So regardless if you used 2004.0 or 2004.3 to install - you ultimately have the same version after you've completely installed.
Whoever dies with the most toys wins.
Before all the dumb jokes start, here's what this means:
If you want to install Gentoo for the first time, you can download a bunch of precompiled packages and complete an installation in a few hours or so, probably less.
If you already have Gentoo on your system, this won't mean much since you can update the everything by with the command(s) "#emerge sync; emerge -uDp world"
This does not mean everyone with Gentoo is going to be compiling for days. You're still stuck with us for a while.
emerge sync && emerge -uD world
There was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of a bus to never-ever land.
For those who think `emerge sync && emerge -uD world` will update your system:
/etc/make.profile link after an `emerge sync`. The sync will place the new profile in /usr/portage/profiles. From the Gentoo Upgrading Guide:
/etc/make.profile ../usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/$arch/2004.3 /etc/make.profile
Don't forget to update the
substitute $arch with your arch
# rm
# ln -s
http://www.masturbateforpeace.com/
Yes, just read the docs here on how to make the switch:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml
Try this new flash game... It's a strange blend of Dungeon Dice and Pac-Man.
Chomp Dice
USE flags are very powerful - if and only if - you set them on a per package basis. If you just leave it to setting them globally like they suggest to you in the manual, you will forget/not realize something, screw it up and cause problems.
/usr/portage/profiles/use.desc" to get a description of most of them.
The USE flags are pretty straight forward when looking at them in the context of a particular package. Pass the -pv ([p]retend to not install the package yet, and [v]erbose to see what USE flags the package will do) option to emerge. Say you do emerge -pv kde. You will probably see that samba support is off by default! Big issues there if you need access to Windows network shares.
If you don't get what a USE flag means, you can always do a "less
Too time consuming? Granted the initial setup may take a bit longer than RedHat or Debian but maintenance takes so much less time.
I don't have to worry about security holes anymore. I have a firewall setup and I emerge -q sync and emerge -up world every night and look at it whenever there is something for me to update. And when it does update I don't have to worry about other programs not using the most up to date versions of libraries, it does it all for me.
I wouldn't run Gentoo on a slow box but it works wonders on my P4 2Ghz.
But then its always a matter of choice. And if the only reason of you not using gentoo is compiling everything from source, then its the wrong reason.
My Aurora : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o91ZsGwJYyg
FB : https://www.facebook.com/TanveersPhotography
The big question... does it actually work and take care of everything?
Yes. The only other thing you might want to do (though its usually not necessary) is to update the profile. After an emerge -u world, everything will be current. With gentoo version numbers mean next to nothing. New versions are usually just updates to the installer livecd itself to fix bugs and support more hardware. The packages are updated constantly, not just when new gentoo releases come out.
Gentoo often refers to itself as a "meta distribution." In many cases it's like an automated Linux From Scratch. Point is, I use Portage and its tools to roll my own stuff on a local server and create binary packages on the server and all my client machines install from there. I don't rice out with stupid optimisations, but it is nice that all my packages are compiled the way I want them. (By that I mean since no one here runs Gnome, I have no Gnome support compiled in, etc.)
/etc and /home and you're set. I keep some common configurations stored on my server as well. This took me a lot of initial work, but it doesn't take me much longer to do an install of Gentoo than any other OS anymore.
A couple of my friends and I use Gentoo as do our servers. With one central server the setup works well and keeps us all up to date with minimal compiling. From my "real world" standpoint it works very, very well. I even keep my mom's laptop up to date this way without having to physically touch the thing.
Plus, once a machine is customized, just keep your
I have to hear the cracks around here about compile times all the time... but seriously, who cares? Do you really need the latest KDE the second the ebuild is ready? Start your updates and go to bed. it's very rare that anything isn't complete by the time I get up in the morning.
It's not for everyone, but as should be stated over and over, no distro is nor should every distro be. All I'm saying is that "real world" is a very relative term and for my real world Gentoo is my choice and besides... I think it's fun. I used to be a Slackware fiend so maybe that explains my problem.
To add to this, there are two modes of masking:
the hard mask -- which means that the package maintainer does not deem the package to be safe at all.
the ~ mask -- which is the unstable package. You can tell the emerge system that you wish to have the unstable system, in which case it will ignore the ~ mask.
Also, there is such a thing as profiles. They have things such as the version of gcc and glibc that your system uses. If you chose the right profile, you can continue building the system with gcc 2.95. Although the packages are not well tested with it, and no one wants to specifically check and mask each package with older profiles.
badness 10000
I'm sure you know it's source based by the dozens of +5 Funny's..
What's good? The package system is transparent and extremely hackable. If you don't touch it, it works just like apt or yum. But if you want to make a change, its extremely easy to pop the ebuild in vim and change it, or fork your own version. Also very easy to produce a "package" for any specific version you like, often as simple as renaming a file.
What's bad? Initial installation takes a while (I can get a useable box in ~ 3 hours. Gnome & co take the longest). Not recommended for slow computers (anything made in the last four years ought to be fine) due to frequent code compilation. Portage moves very very fast. Lots of new versions released every week.
I run it everywhere, including this here Toshiba Tecra S-1 notebook.
No, I did not read the f***ing article!
I would argue that the few times I have installed gentoo made me much more familiar with linux than playing with Fedora for any period of time would have.
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BTW, this is probably why you should do it per hand
First off, I had submitted Slashdot an official press release which was much more verbose and gave a nice list of reasons for the release and things changed since the last release, but since the editors are a bunch of tools and don't pay attention to what they're adding to the site, it all got lost.
Anyway, for the x86 platform, the primary reason for the getting a newer release is improved hardware support. The newer LiveCD for x86 supports the new Dell EM64T machines and also has vastly improved SATA support over previous releases. This is also the first release where all of the arch teams worked very closely together throughout the entire release process. This is also our first official PPC64 release. The submitter of this story also completely missed the fact that we have a new Alpha release under /experimental, and you can also find embedded stages for arm, mips, ppc, and x86 under /experimental.