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DoCoMo to Use Linux on Phones

highwaytohell writes "News.com.au has an announcement that NTT DoCoMo in collaboration with NEC and Panasonic have developed a Linux based software platform for third generation cell phones. 'The main advantage of the new platform will be easy integration of advanced multi-media applications and efficient use of software,' NEC spokeswoman Akiko Shikimori said." This was first reported about a year ago, but the platform looks to be mostly done by now, and a new press release timed to remind us of its impending release.

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  1. Multimedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The main advantage of the new platform will be easy integration of advanced multi-media applications

    I also want this on my Linux desktop.

  2. 3g? by Folmer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well.. For now i just stick with my 2g telephone, and uses my laptop and wifi for grapping pr0n :)
    Also 3g is way outdated.. Docomo is enrolling 4g in 2006, and they are already experimenting with 5g coorporating with my university.
    The best use i can see for this is when you connect the phone to a computer, so you can get broadband wherever you are.. (but thats what WiMax was developed for)

  3. So just like current phones. But with Linux? by Kenja · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I see nothing here that my current Nokia cant do. Is Linux realy that much better a choice then Symbian? Windows and PlamOS I'll grant you due to the whole stylus problem.

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  4. 'The Main Advantage' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the main advantage will be that when NTT stops supporting these phones, the community can.

    Assuming they're down with the GPL.

  5. Yes but... by dfn5 · · Score: 2, Funny
    Does it support Ogg Vorbis?

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  6. Pine? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about a project that emulates PalmOS on Linux? A Linux phone that runs PalmOS apps could eat the lunch of both Palm AND Windows smartphones. Not only would the phone add that many more apps to its offerings to consumers (interesting more of them), but lots of those apps are a lot more friendly to users than Linux apps, as they were developed for small mobile devices. Rather than let PalmOS get crushed by the Windows phone onslaught, let's sacrifice it to the greater glory. Everyone wins but Microsoft. If we're already running Wine, and GBA, how hard could a PalmOS API port be?

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    1. Re:Pine? by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Interesting
      You mean like this?

      That thing's been around forever. That's the nice thing about Linux -- you think "Gee wouldn't it be nice if FOO" and when you look, FOO has been around forever.

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    2. Re:Pine? by Eric+Giguere · · Score: 2, Informative

      I suspect that he means make a version of the Emulator (or the newer Simulator) that is more tightly integrated with the system I don't think you'd necessarily want a Palm device to suddenly appear on your screen, I think you'd want Palm applications to work seamlessly with the other applications on the system. Interesting thought, for sure, and definitely a challenge. The main obstacle would be a legal one, not a technical one -- getting the ROM images to install in the emulator/simulator. Doubt PalmSource would let you do it without actually licensing the OS.

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  7. So much for Ballmer by RealAlaskan · · Score: 4, Interesting
    So much for Ballmer's threats. Maybe Microsoft will be the next litigious bastards?

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    A: They keep rearranging the deck chairs, and reassuring us that the ship is too big to sink.

  8. Multi-media apps? by PMJ2kx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I use my phone for making phone calls, not watching movies. How many people do YOU know who need "multi-media applications" on a phone? Not trying to be a troll hree, but seriously, is it a practical application of technology, or a mere technology/fashon fad? Someone please convince me (Joe Schmoe) why I need it.

    1. Re:Multi-media apps? by BrookHarty · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I use my phone for making phone calls, not watching movies. How many people do YOU know who need "multi-media applications" on a phone?

      Humm, I was watching real-tv news on my phone at lunch while I waited for my meal, also watched the news in a waiting room this week.

      During my boss's meeting I was browsing CNN news and local news.

      I did it, because I could. I also have SMS pages, and email pictures I take on the phone.

      Connect via Bluetooth for my wireless headset.

      Depends on your job, but the phone also has video conferencing so I can see servers and cable wiring remotely, comes in handy when we have smart hands (techs working on misc hardware).

      I use it, most people at my work use it. OF course I work for a telco, and we have lots of cool phones. ;)

    2. Re:Multi-media apps? by el_munkie · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not trolling either here, but I know of at least one person who got some use out of a multimedia phone. This girl I went out with once had an pointlessly expensive phone that was video-capable. She had video of herself blowing some dude on her phone. This was more of a turn-off to me than anything else (I didn't go out with her again), but documenting sexual escapades would certainly qualify as a use for multimedia apps.

    3. Re:Multi-media apps? by maggard · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I'm not gonna try and convince you, I'm not entirely convinced myself.
      On the other hand I'm addicted to using my PocketPC to read books, especially in bed or en route. I've got a half dozen on it at any time (right now I'm halfway through Ben Bova's so-so "Moonbase 1" potboiler.)

      And to listen to audio books (Jon Stewart's "America", up to Ch. 11.)

      And podcasts (none today.)

      And yes, I've usually got a movie or TV show stored on it to watch - decent quality and great for filling wait time (from last night it's "UFO", episode 5.)

      I've also got an album or two of mp3s on it (today K. D. Lang's "Hymns of the 49th Parallel".)

      I've also got pix of recent trips & good friends to share. (From a dinner conversation last weekend: "Which Stéphane? You know, Big Stéphane. No, that's Fuzzy Stéphane, I mean b-i-g Stephane... Oh heck,[click][tap][tap] This Stéphane! Yeah.")

      Plus an RSS reader full of interesting things to keep up with.

      All of these could just as well be done on a phone.

      Indeed on any hunk of modern portable technology with a decent screen and enough storage, some reasonable amount of processing power, would suffice. The point is lots of folks already carry cell phones around with 'em so why not go that extra 20% and build this functionality into 'em?

      Sure you may not want it. Or you may not realize you want it. Or you may never have any need for these features.

      But consumer demand appears strong, this appears to be a profitable direction to the carriers & cell phone manufacturers, so where's the huhu? We can still buy (heck, at this point they're about free) a simple no-frills phone so no loss there.

      But yeah, at least for me, I'm interested in someday moving to a feature-phone. For now I'll stick with my ancient super-reliable StarTac and last-generation PocketPC but in a year or two, with a bit more maturing, I could see morphing 'em into a unified package of tele-conferencing/multimedia entertainment/handy-dandy reference source with Web/IM/RSS/GPS (m-o-u-s-e-!)

      Heck, with 2 GB SD cards coming down in price so fast I'm tempted to get one just to have a portable copy of Wikipedia on hand.

      So Joe Schmoe - there may not be a compelling reason. 'Course, could say the same thing about an iPod too. Or camera phones. Or text messaging. Or a computer in every house. Or high-speed internet.

      Guess we'll find out.

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  9. rather Linux + phone by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1> No licensing fees to Symbian
    2> More existing apps, most of them networked, run on Linux
    3> Giant developer community, free dev tools, lots of them
    4> Buzzword compliance

    This is good for Linux (the OS, not just the community), especially. They'll add stylus features that we can use on our desktops (and supercomputers, too, if that's your bent). Though we need not use them, just as we can use Linux with CLI or GUI. Personally, I'd prefer to repalce my mouse (trackball, really) with a stylus (my finger, really), using my keyboard only for fast data entry and email, or just when I feel like it. Linux is the OS that can be that flexible. I'd love to plug the phone into my x86 Linux box USB and use it with the bigger form factor of the bigger box and its peripherals.

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    1. Re:rather Linux + phone by hkultala · · Score: 2, Insightful

      .. and
      5> much better developement tools
      6> easier API's and libraries
      7> better documentation

      Symbian is really pain in the ass for developers.

      Build system documentation tells how to compile hello world but there is no documentation that helps to understand it if you want to do more things than just compile C/C++ files during your build process.

      And the build tools are bunch of windows .cmd scripts and perl scripts wrapped together, and a few symbian's own exe files doing some binary conversion things. total mess.

      All API's are done very differently than on all other platforms. For example there are things like 7 different string classes for more efficient memory usage.
      And even "hello world" program requires 4 classes.

  10. Scriptable phones by RedFireGuy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Emacs jokes aside, what would be really nice is to have some scripting language backing these phones so I could have the phone be a little smarter about fr'instance when to interrupt me.

    (def ring-loud-p (caller)
    "Checks whether the phone should ring LOUD"
    (if (and (eq 'girlfriend caller)
    (> 10 (getAmbientNoiseLevel))
    t
    nil)) )
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    1. Re:Scriptable phones by razasis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is a little off topic, but related to your post. Does anyone know if there are any phones that change the order of words you get using predictive text input based on how often you use them? For example, "home" and "good" are both 4663 - if I use "home" a lot more than "good", I want it to come up with "home" first.

      Does such a thing exist?

      Would anyone like to implement it, patent it and give me free phones for life?

  11. Why not? by F'Nok · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The phone is becoming the portable 'thing' you have with you. I know I like to watch some TV on train, take a photo or video snap and send it to a mate (especially helpful when giving directions), and lets face it... Without a dose of neopets while in the doctors waiting room, I'd get much more irritated than I do. :)

    Are they useful?
    For some, probably not the majority.

    But it's still a good thing. :)

    The worst that can happen is you don't use the features, or buy a vanilla phone. No harm.

  12. The advantage to linux on phones by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny

    I hear the DoCoMos will give you a command line that can be activated by voice. So when you call your friend you can really mess with their heads by saying "arr emmm arrr efff star"

  13. Linux - secure telephony? by mwilliamson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ok, this is the PERFECT opportunity to introduce and deploy SSL to the telephony world. OpenSSL could first be used to secure (and authenticate) mobile to mobile traffic, then mobile to wireline and even wireline to wireline via inexpensive linux-based SSL "adapters" that could go between your POTS jack and telephone(s). The telephony world could use a good dose of end-user-empowering crypto.

  14. DoCoMo Money! Mo Money! by blueZhift · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's a sweet lookin phone, but I think DoCoMo's primary motivation is to keep the cost of the phone down. Using Linux goes a long way towards lowering the cost, which means mo money for DoCoMo! It also means they have a very flexible platform on which to base future phones. If you make your money selling OS licenses for low end devices like cell phones, cameras, and PDAs, Linux is going to make your life a living hell!

  15. Yeah... by midnightblaze · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...but do they run Linux?

  16. No one cares about Palm anymore... by Cryptnotic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Someone's going to think I'm a troll, but PalmOS is really far behind. They developed originally for the low-end hardware systems with slow CPU, no MMU, and very little RAM (e.g., 128kbytes) for OS, applications and user data. This worked well for shoehorning usable applications (datebook, calendar, mail, et cetera) into tiny devices. However, PalmOS is now being asked to do things for which it was never designed.

    Modern devices have fast CPU's (600MHz XScale) lots of RAM (128MB), external storage (e.g. Flash cards), and network access. If you're ever written programs for PalmOS, you'll know that the API's and development is kind of strange (everything is "Execute in Place" for example). New things like sound, network access, file IO, multi-tasking, et cetera were all added in a rather cludgy way. Linux and Windows CE handhelds work much more like "little desktop machines". As a result, they are much easier to develop for.

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  17. Are you on crack? by kryonD · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "When will the Japanese make their phones compatable with the rest of the world?

    People on Slashdot complain about the U.S. being isolationist when it comes to cell phone technology. It's worse in Japan."


    No it's not!! What universe have you been living in? DoCoMo has been trying to get into the American market for years. It's our own fault for pressuring our government to impose high import tarrifs so we can hold our heads high buying 2nd gen crap "made in the USA". Why in God's green Earth would the Japanese want to downgrade their phones to be compatible with "the rest of the world". As it stands, DoCoMo's i-Mode technology is spreading quite well in parts of Europe, China, and Korea.

    Also, I know for a fact that AU (I think Vodafone bought them last year) has a phone that is capable of roaming pretty much anywhere in the northern hemisphere. I'm also fairly certain that DoCoMo offered a phone with those capabilities, but I had no desire to pay the extra mony and just stuck with my D505i which STILL blows away most of the phones here in the US, even though it's 2nd Gen 2G tech in Japan. I plan on returning to Japan in 2 years and I guarantee my first act after finding a place to live will be to re-acquire a real phone.

    Calling Japan isolationist when it comes to cell phones is like calling Italy isolationist when it comes to Lasagna. If you already produce the best in the world, what exactly do you need to import?

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    1. Re:Are you on crack? by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 2, Informative

      Vodafone bought J-Phone which was essentially a second-rate cellphone service over there. With the partnership, though, VOD is pushing some pretty serious upgrades and is adapting the European market to be more like the Japanese keitai market.

      In Europe, you define your phone by the device maker. Nokia, Seimens, etc. They define what the phones will be and how they will function. The operators are along for the ride. Whereas in Japan, the phone is defined by the operator. DoCoMo, Au (KDDI), Vodafone, etc. The operators define at the high level what they expect in a feature set and the device makers (D505 is Mitsubishi, for example) have to design their phone to meet the market level. The DoCoMo 505i level was the last of the Mova 2.5G line and pretty full featured. Every 505i phone was required to have a certain minimum spec.

      Operators in Europe have always been at the whim of the device makers precisely because it is the device makers who are providing the operators with the equipment to run their networks. So Orange buys its tower equipment and software from Nokia and Seimens and spends all its time trying to make sure that things work together. Because of this, moving a phone from one operator to another is pretty easy, just switch out the SIM. However, the functionality between two different devices is very different. The operators are not capable of specifying to Nokia (for example) a common set of baseline requirements for that operator's phones. Nokia markets its phones for a wide range of operators and can't really be bothered to bow to the demands of one.

      This is where the VOD thing comes in. Taking a cue from the Japanese market, VOD has made itself huge. It is currently the #1 cell phone operator in the world, about triple the customer base of DoCoMo. With this power, it is finally demanding that device makers design to their spec rather than delivering whatever they'd like. This has always been the case in Japan where the operators have been the dominant power and device makers have been anxious to be accepted by the operators. It also means the end of operator switching, unfortunately, but considering that the price of a new cell phone in Japan is 1 yen (free with rebate), the future looks bright for the European market.

      The American market is a huge clusterfuck, of course, just like how it is with every other worldwide standard-led technology. American's are happy with their Zack Morris phones which are workable for calls but nothing else. So the world leaves them alone. But, like as in the past, eventually they will come on board and pick up the best of the winning technologies and be up to par with the rest of the world.

  18. Python for S60 by ultrabot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Emacs jokes aside, what would be really nice is to have some scripting language backing these phones so I could have the phone be a little smarter about fr'instance when to interrupt me.

    Future S60 phones might ship with Python out-of-the-box; Now it's still in beta phase.

    See, the Symbian world isn't as closed as some people think. It's also not as open as some people (managers) think, but that's a different story...

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