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Valve Cracks Down on 20,000 Users

An anonymous reader writes "Valve have disabled 20,000 steam user accounts belonging to users who have been caught using a pirated version of the game, or have attempted to use a cdkey to bypass the securom protection found on the retail version of the game. The Steam Forums have been swamped with people now claiming they are unable to play, many claiming they have had their accounts disabled for no reason. A Valve spokesman says, 'The number of people who actually had bought HL2 and used the CD key cheat was VERY small. VERY small. Most people just tried to rip off the game and not bother buying it.'" People are discovering that when you buy any product that is subject to "activation", you haven't really bought anything.

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  1. CD hack? by Izago909 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Is there a way to disable the "feature" that forces me to load the CD every time I want to play the game? And will doing so get me banned? Why can't steam disable this annoying problem after we activate our game and prove to them that we bought it? At least there is a hack for Doom 3 and other newer games that disable the CD check without getting you banned from the network.

    1. Re:CD hack? by RomSteady · · Score: 5, Informative

      From what I understand, if you uninstall Half-Life 2 after activating it on Steam, then install off of Steam, you won't have to use your media anymore.

      Admittedly, you'll have to download quite a bit of data and it's a pain in the rump and it might not work after their next patch, but that's what's been going around the message boards.

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    2. Re:CD hack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
      Too bad PC users don't also have this [disc images]option


      Actually, PC people do have this option using software such as Alcohol or Daemon Tools (which is free for private use). This is why the newer CD checks refuse to allow you to run if you have these programs installed. In fact, I've heard of cases where the game refuses to run if you have Nero, a very popular CD/DVD burning package and rumors of games which won't work if you have a burner attached. If the Mac ever takes off, you can kiss your disc images goodbye or find a www.MacGameCopyWorld.com.

    3. Re:CD hack? by hyphz · · Score: 4, Informative

      > But instead, people have the attitude that
      > they have the RIGHT to have something that
      > they have not paid for.

      Let me clarify something here.

      I bought HL2 via Steam. I now have a copy of activated, legal HL2 on my machine. It doesn't need a CD to run (which is good, because since I bought via Steam, I don't have one)

      Now those people who went and bought the CD had to do the Steam activation *and* put the CD in the drive.

      Arguing that they're "stealing" and "ripping off Valve" by CD-cracking the retail version ignores the fact that Valve are quite happy for people to play with the online activation only, since Steam purchasers are doing just that.

  2. No lemon law in Minnesota by shuz · · Score: 4, Informative

    In Minnesota you have 3 days to return any item, in it original purchased condition, to the place of purchase and recieve a 100% refund. One exception to this rule that I know of opened software cannot be returned in Minnesota under any circumstances.

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    1. Re:No lemon law in Minnesota by -kertrats- · · Score: 5, Informative

      I live in Minnesota, and you actually can return opened software here, but you must trade it in for a new copy of the same product; no cash refunds.

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  3. Re:You're wrong. by realdpk · · Score: 5, Informative

    "And yes, the box DOES state that you have to have a working account on their Steam network."

    This is a lie. It says you have to have an Internet connection.

  4. Re:Sorry, but it doesn't work that way by Eric+Savage · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can't just dictate whatever terms you want to people. They'd like ot pretend you have a contract with them. No, sorry, it's not. A contract requires an exchange of things (goods, money, whatever) and requires both parties to agree and sign. Saying "You agree by opening the box" isn't valid. Also contracts must be open to negoation. If you are leasing an apartment and disagree with a clause in the lease, you can strike it out, inital the change, and send it back to the management company. They are not required to accept these changes, but they have to negotiate it.

    IANAL, but one of the first things taught in Business Law 101 is how basic contracts work. There is no requirement to offer, accept, or negotiate a contract. If I make an offer, you are certainly allowed to make a counter-offer (what I assume you mean by negotiating) but now my original offer is void. Also signing is not required for contracts, only certain types of contracts.

    If you buy a piece of software, and it says that you agree to whatever terms by opening it (and purchasing it, which you have already done), then the deal is complete when you open it. If the terms are not available before you open it, obviously nothing is binding. These days its more often done as part of the installation. If you change the terms of a lease and send it back, you are correct that they do not have to accept it, but they also don't have to ever talk to you again (or accept a subsequent unmodified lease that you send them, since its now void).

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  5. Re:You're wrong. by SScorpio · · Score: 4, Informative
    That isn't how Steam works, there won't be stolen cd keys like what happened with the original half-life.

    Half-life 2 uses a MMO style activation where you create an account and enter your key. One account, one key. Once a key is registered to an account is cannot be used on any other accounts. The only thing that could possibly happen people getting their steam accounts hacked.

    I suspect the people complaining fall into one of two catagories. They purchased the retail game and got pissed that they had to insert the CD everytime they started it while people who bought it over Steam don't so they downloaded a nocd crack.

    Somebody bought it retail and also installed it at their friends house and had their friend login with their Steam account and used a nocd crack to allow their friend to also play.

    In the first case it sucks to be them as they got screwed over by Vivendi in needing to use authenicate with a CD, and felt screwed over that online purchases didn't need this.

    For the second case they were committing piracy, and well it really sucks to be them, but they were pirating something with activation. They took the risk and lost.

  6. Re:TurboTax by peragrin · · Score: 4, Informative

    Save yourself now.
    Either purchase or steal the full version of Adobe Acrobat, or any other software that allows you to print PDF's.

    All of my tax returns get printed to PDF's then to paper as nessecary. I don't normally keep the paper copies around for more than a year, but it's easy to keep an encrypted zip file contianing those precious documents.

    People laugh at PDF's but they are really convient, and can be read over long periods of time without dealing with MSFT's change the format per minor version games.

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  7. Re:Michael's whining is irrelevant by Billly+Gates · · Score: 4, Informative

    As much as Microsoft and the other big software companies would like you to believe, EULA's are non legally binding documents so in essence you did purchase the product.

    You need a notary to witness you sign it or a laywer present for a real contract document.

    Unless you specifically sign the document in writing with a notary or Lawyer present as a witness its non valid.

    No one has ever took a software company to court over this its currently a gray area.

    Big businesses who buy corporate licenses actually have lawyers and notaries present so the licenses there are valid.

    Just because the CD is copyrighted does not mean you own your purchase.

    Most places like CompUSA will charge you a 15% restocking fee or will refuse to let you return it since the package is opened.

    You may want to read the news with retailers refusing returns if you return items frequently. That is another penalty that will happen as a result.

  8. Re:You're wrong. by Bullet-Dodger · · Score: 4, Informative
    No, you're wrong and you don't understand what the GPL is. Copyright doesn't come into it until you copy something. You don't need to agree to a license to read a book you bought, or listen to a CD. First sale doctrine.

    And for the last time you do not have to agree to the GPL to use GPLed software. The GPL is a license to distribute the software. It gives you something over and above the rights you already have with copyright, as opposed to EULAs, which take some away.

    If the GPL were invalid SCO would still have every right to use the software themselves, just not to distribute it.

  9. Geeze, at least TRY and read the online docs by spoco2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Did you even try and look for these answers? I had exactly the same ones and found them out VERY QUICKLY:

    "If I download the game and my hard drive crashes, can I reinstall it via Steam to a different hard drive?"
    Yes: I want to move my Steam installation to a different disk or computer, how can I do this?

    "Can I install it to more than one computer if I only play one at a time (ie my desktop machine and my laptop)?"
    Yes: Can I use my Steam account on other computers?

    "Does it cost anything to have a Steam account other than the initial cost of the game?"
    No: " Is Steam really free?

    At least try and find these things before bitching the information is not available... that took me longer to cut and past the hrefs than it did to find those answers....

    All you had to do was go to Support and type your question. I've had no problem with downloading all the Steam content onto my computer, then copying it over to my brothers (he only has dial up)... and that was it. He now has and is playing HL2, and when he is done with it, I just fire up Steam and away I go... it's already there for me to play. Excellent stuff!

  10. Re: You're wrong. by Frobnicator · · Score: 4, Informative
    Have you (legally) bought any software that wasn't licensed? Companies don't sell software; they never have. They sell the license to use their software. You don't own Windows, or Half-Life, or any other copyrighted software; you're bound by the license agreement, and all you own is what that agreement gives you.
    No. You own a copy of the software, exactly the same as if you own a copy of a book. You don't have to believe me or anyone else on the matter. Check out for yourself how the appeals court for Valve's area has ruled that software purchase it is a sale, not a licence, even with the EULA.

    Specifically, from their court ruling,

    Because we look to the economic realities of the agreement, the fact that the agreement labels itself a "license" and calls the payments "royalties," both terms that arguably imply periodic payment for the use rather than sale of technology, does not control our analysis. .... Other courts have reached the same conclusion: software is sold and not licensed. .... In particular, the following factors require a finding that distributing software under licenses transfers individual copy ownership: temporally unlimited possession, absence of time limits on copy possession, pricing and payment schemes that are unitary not serial, licenses under which subsequent transfer is neither prohibited nor conditioned on obtaining the licensor's prior approval (only subject to a prohibition against rental and a requirement that any transfer be of the entity), and licenses under which the use restrictions principal purpose is to protect intangible copyrightable subject matter, and not to preserve property interests in individual program copies.

    So unless Valve lawyers are going to try to challenge the district appeals court, The individual own that copy. I can smell the lawsuits in the works.

    frob

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