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Gaming Naysayers Have Little Context for Criticism

Buzzcut.com has a nice piece on the lack of context video game critics have in making their arguments. It should be noted he is not referring to today's report card, but a list of Top Ten most violent games put out by the Interfaith Center on Corporate Responsibility. From the article: "I followed up with a simple question, "Who on this panel has played which of the games?" Burke answered first, "I haven't played any of them." She backed up her willful ignorance of the games by suggesting that she didn't need to play Soldier of Fortune to know that she was opposed to its glorification of killing. "I think it's an irrelevant question," she concluded."

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  1. Top Ten most violent books of the Bible by ixtapolapoquetl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe someone should condemn reading the Bible, and put out a list of their own Top Ten most violent books of the Bible.

    I'd then like to respond to the question "Why do you condemn these books of the Bible?" with "I haven't read any of them."

    I'd continue, "I don't have to read the chapters about God slaughtering a bunch of people to know that I'm opposed to the Bible's glorification of killing. I think that's an irrelevant question."

    1. Re:Top Ten most violent books of the Bible by Schemat1c · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, the Major point of the New Testment is this.
      That Jesus came to die for your sins, and by believes in him (as the Christ) would not perish but have eternal life.

      People who do not wish to believe in Jesus as the Christ, prefer to reduce him to the role of being a great "Teacher".

      The Bible claims that Jesus is the son of God, not just a teacher.

      This leave you with 3 choices.
      1. You believe Jesus was smoking crack, but had some good things to say.
      2. You belive Jesus is the son of God, and that it is through him you must be saved.
      3. You don't believe there was a Jesus.


      One of the major problems with christianity, and there are many, is that the entire system is based on the fact that the bible is the perfect word of god. It is well known that the bible is simply a collection of books put together by the Counsel of Nicaea in 325AD. They chose only the books which agreed with their interpretation of what christianity should be. It's interesting that out of all the gospels written, and there were many, they only choose 4 that were written by people who weren't even alive when Jesus walked the earth. Many contemporaries of Jesus wrote gospels and were excluded from the 'word of god'. Since I believe this makes the bible bunk, and since christianity depends on the bible being perfect, this makes christianity bunk.

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  2. One wonders by wowbagger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One wonders how many respondants to this story will have read the article before they click Submit....

    (and yes, I DID read the article before posting this.)

    This, unfortunately, is an all-too-common theme - a bunch of People With Too Damn Much Free Time Who Have Decided They Are The Guardians Of The Public Morals seeking to "protect" us from ourselves.

    In addition to the question of "How many of you have played any of these games" I would add another - "How many of you have spent any time at all with your children today?"

    Funny how these folks have plenty of time to have these meetings - they must REALLY spend a lot of time with their kids.

    Just remember - whenever you have the chance to attend something like this - ask them "And how many games have your played with your children in the past month?"

    It's much more statisfying that saying STFU.

  3. Is the blurp saying... by lobsterGun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is the blurb saying that you can't criticize something unless you have tried it first?

    Does that mean that I have to become a Heroin addict before I can say, "Heroin use is bad". Do I have to kill someone before I can come out against murder?

    This doesn't sound like a good way to confront these zealots. How about a more direct approach - ridicule.

    Laugh in their face.

    When they walk away from a conversation with you, they should know that you think:

    1 - that not only is their cause based on junk science (or no science),
    2 - but the leaders of their cause are the worst kind of charlatans motivated only by personial enrichment,
    3 - and that they are fools for being so easily taken in.

    1. Re:Is the blurp saying... by ChaosDiscord · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Does that mean that I have to become a Heroin addict before I can say, "Heroin use is bad". Do I have to kill someone before I can come out against murder?

      Murder's not really up for debate; there isn't a sizable group of people arguing for legalization of murder. So it's a silly comparison.

      Durgs, however, are a better comparision. Illegal drug use is rampant, there are people calling to make them legal. In such an environment a simple "Heroin use is bad" from someone unable to provide context is useless. To be able to honestly say that drugs are bad you need good information about the drugs. Doing drugs would be one unattractive option. Speaking with drug users would be another. Reading and evaluating research on drug use would be another. But haven't heard word of mouth that heroin is bad and using it as a basis for a national campaign against heroin would be a foolish.

      Thus, it's reasonable to ask that someone condeming specific games be familiar with those games. Maybe they didn't play them, but they should be able to give concrete examples of issues found in the games. That they misspelled many of the games is telling; it suggests that they didn't do their research. Without supporting evidence from them I can reasonably disregard their claims.

      All that said, it may not be an effect debating tactic...

  4. Madden 2005 by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Odd how that's a non-violent choice.. Seeing as how football involves people more or less throwing each other around.. trying to knock each other down.. and lots of mean words *sad face*.

    I am a football fan and play Madden, but come on: Football = Violent

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  5. Re:for these people it is an irrelevant question by cephyn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    but its not like that. games tell a story, or at the very least are entertainment. if you protest a movie you havent seen, or attempt to ban a book you haven't read, that's just willful ignorance. The only thing more dangerous than an uninformed opinion is a cause based on said opinion.

    Yes the games are clearly about killing -- but context is important. You cannot make a qualitative statement that they "glorify killing" without having experienced the context of the killing. Otherwise, we should opposed Saving Private Ryan, The Passion of the Christ and countless other movies or works literature where someone gets killed. It is the context of the killing that matters.

    So while they might be so myopic as to not understand this, and to declare all games shooting guns bad, that does not mean "have you played the game?" is an irrelevant question -- it IS relevant to any logical person, and it just goes to show how ridiculous the group is. Just because they're myopic doesn't mean they get a free pass on the bigger issues.

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  6. These are the same type of people... by DAldredge · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These are the same type of people who think that D&D is satanic because some of the characters in the game can cast magic spells. The fact that you roll a dice to see what happens doesn't matter to them and when asked about that little issue they just ignore it.

  7. what's being overlooked by fireduck · · Score: 3, Insightful

    is that most, if not all of these games, have an M rating; meaning kids shouldn't be playing them in the first place unless a parent agrees. Yes, these games are violent, have blood, contribute to negative stereotypes, etc, whatever. However, they are clearly labeled as something not fit for a kid. Rather than get in a fit over content, this group really should get in a fit over how lax the enforcement of ESRB rating is. The system is in place, and working in so far as stating that these games are for mature audiences. It's the next step, retail distribution, where the biggest failing is.

  8. Oh, Christ. by Zenikase · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Ironically, my urge to go on a homocidal rampage isn't provoked while playing Doom 3, but rather while reading the consistent bullshit propagated by these ignorant, self-righteous soccer moms.

    I can see Postal as a valid entry, since the whole premise of the game is rooted solely in bad taste. What was the result? Mediocre reviews and lukewarm reception from the crowd. I don't think anyone above the age of 13 played the game for more than ten minutes at a time.

    Does Halo even involve shooting at any humans? And what the hell is some imported anime-based game doing there?

    I'm just glad that my precious Metal Gear Solid 3 passed under their radars, what with its new "close quarters combat (CQC)" feature that lets you knock out a sentry with an anesthetic-soaked rag, use him as a human shield against other sentries, and then slit his throat once his usefulness has been exhausted. Not to mention Snake's smoking habit that Kojima has been quite open about since the first MSX title.

  9. Re:Good list. by Pxtl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Bull. Halo 2 doesn't belong on that list. The game is by far one of the cleaner FPS games out there.