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Envisioning the Desktop Fabricator

mkl writes "Yesterday I fantasized about a generator of matter. Not a laser plotter for carving 3d objects, but a device that will assemble any given object from its base, out of atoms. I was thinking about a device that can find its place under the roofs of all the people working on PCs all over the world. So I fantasize about it at work and what do I see in the Wired News newsletter? 'Any product, any shape, any size -- manufactured on your desktop! The future is the fabricator.' Heh."

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  1. Re:Wouldn't such a thing... by Viol8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1750 somewhere in northern england:

    Peasent 1: "These new fangled factories , they can be made to produce anything! They'll make our hand made goods valueless! They could even use it to build parts for other factories!"

    Peasent 2: "You're right Mr Ludd. Lets burn em all down!"

  2. Think deeper. Economics is dead at that point. by brunes69 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ah - but, how would such an economy work? Think about it.

    What service would you possibly sell? And what are the people paying you with, and why do you want it? You don't have to buy anything anymore, you can make it with your fab. Food, water, shelter, entertainment. all are costless. So why would you bother providing services to anyone in exchange for something?

    Such a revolution could only lead to one of two inevitable systems:

    1) The world becomes a Star-Trek like Utopia. poverty, hunger, and want are all eliminated almost overnight. People spend their daily lives pursuing things that challenge them intellectually , or work to further the species as a whole.

    2) The world descends into utter chaos. Since everything is free, no one has any power over anyone any longer. Governments are thrown into disarray. Wars erupt. The whole species is nearly anniahlated in thermonuclear holocost.

    1. Re:Think deeper. Economics is dead at that point. by kaitou · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd say 1 is somewhat likelier, and not because I'm a rose-glasses wearing optimist. I feel that we as a species (not neccesarily as individuals) will always choose the path of least resistance, and when all you want is provided, who can be bothered with a revolt? And people tend to be a lot more agreeable, when they have less to worry about.

    2. Re:Think deeper. Economics is dead at that point. by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thank you for some really good, really practical questions. Off the top of my head, here's some brainstormin':

      What service would you possibly sell?

      Sex. Live music. Any one-off art object guaranteed never to have been scanned for replication. Any human performance, like a stage play or an athletic contest. Conversation. Competition. Tutoring. Religion. Experiences. Health care expertise. Any living thing - plants, pets livestock. Any illegal thing. Insurance. Legal services. Bodyguard services. Gimme an hour and I could list a hundred things.

      ...what are the people paying you with, and why do you want it?

      You can be paid with any of the items above via barter. You can join a co-op where extremely complex bartering scenarios can conveniently be worked out where you can get anything you want from the list above as long as you're willing to provide something from the list above. There would be some accounting involved and equivalencies would have to be decided, but that can be done. We already do it every day via monetary exchange. Also, depending on the ability of the fabs to produce pure things, you may be able to pay with hard money, i.e. precious metals.

      Food, water, shelter, entertainment. all are costless.

      Not true. Entertainment is not just free DVDs. Good entertainment often involves watching other people do things, in real time, right in front of you. A free CD is cool, but going to the symphony is even better and worth paying for. Anything that involves human interaction, human experience, or learning won't be cost-free even if replicators become real.

      So why would you bother providing services to anyone in exchange for something?

      For the same reason I do now - because I want something they have and I'm willing to do some work to get them to give it to me. If you're a great violinist and I'm a doctor, I'd be happy to diagnose your illness if you'll play for me. Or I'm a plumber and you've got a leak; you're a photographer and I'm about to get married. Think we can arrange a trade? The opportunities are limitless.

      Such a revolution could only lead to one of two inevitable systems:

      I disagree. I think both would happen at the same time. Chaos would happen in some places but others would embrace, well, not Utopia, but a radically altered economic landscape.

      This thing could work. It could also be really, really brutal. The untalented, the incompetent, the physically or mentally challenged would have a much harder time in a world where people pay for the quality of your work. You're not going to be able to trade your violin-playing services to me for anything if you're a lousy violinist. While a meritocracy is a good thing in theory, I don't think people should starve just because they aren't good at much of anything.

      Wait a minute...the fabs could make the bare necessities for anyone who's not sharp enough to succeed on their own merits. No one would starve.

      Ultimately, is that a good thing or a bad thing?

    3. Re:Think deeper. Economics is dead at that point. by Chyeld · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And where do the plans/material/power for the solar cells come from? And where do the plans/material/power for the garbage disposal/atomizer come from?

      You'd need the egg before you can hatch the chicken. And that's assuming you can produce enough power with your "do-it-yourself" power plant to actually accomplish anything. It's also assuming the majority of what you make will be possible to make off of your garbage.

      The Internet? What incentive is there for the people who have those plans to share, knowing that they will only get one shot at making their mark before the plans are stolen and spread around?

      Who would trust plans pulled from the Internet? Really. If I found plans to make my very own ANYTHING on the net, I'd wait for the first 40 people to come back and say the plans didn't actually cause their town to go up in a mushroom cloud before I even considered using them.

      Open Source? That works great when the developers get something back in return. What do you have to offer them? Trade your plans for theirs? That works great for the first set of plans you want. What happens when you are out of things you know how to create because someone else has shared all your plans with everyone else?

    4. Re:Think deeper. Economics is dead at that point. by fyngyrz · · Score: 2, Insightful
      And where do the plans/material/power for the solar cells come from?

      Come on. We have power now. This is not any kind of a serious issue.

      And where do the plans/material/power for the garbage disposal/atomizer come from?

      Almost certainly from the manufacturer of the replicator, along with your first bag of "manu-dust"(tm) - it'd be the first thing any user of such a device should make, no matter what purpose they're using it for.

      The Internet? What incentive is there for the people who have those plans to share, knowing that they will only get one shot at making their mark before the plans are stolen and spread around?

      What, have you not been paying attention? Open Office? The Gimp? PostgreSQL? Linux? What are those people getting in return for their efforts other than (very little) fame? Do you really think no one will step up to this particular plate??? I can't beleive you even said that.

      Who would trust plans pulled from the Internet? Really. If I found plans to make my very own ANYTHING on the net, I'd wait for the first 40 people to come back and say the plans didn't actually cause their town to go up in a mushroom cloud before I even considered using them.

      Fine. That'd take about ten minutes, then you could enter the plans with your trembling little fingers. Not a problem.

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  3. Re:Wouldn't such a thing... by bitkari · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In a world of *magic fabricators* and the free flow of ideas, our traditional economy would be thrown in to chaos. A good chaos I suspect. Releasing the means of production to the people will be an incredibly amazing thing.

    The only problem is if these means are NOT released to the people, but controlled by companies. If we decend in to a world of DRM trousers, closed-source bicycles, patented turkey sandwiches, we are going to be an even more unhappy bunch of people.

    The development of these technologies makes the pursuit of open and free exchange of ideas ever more pressing.

  4. Software a natural and not common there by Sai+Babu · · Score: 2, Insightful



    Desktop fabrication in a specific area, say software, is still pretty uncommon. Nevermind that program generators for cobal have been around for ages. A buddy who has been in IT since the only computers around were made of vacuum tubes has coupled his cobol generators with some program conversion utilities he wrote and now generates java programs based by specifying what they are supposed to do, rather than coding in java. One would think this sort of thing would be much more common in software.

    An earlier /. article World's First Ultra-Thin Multilayer Circuit Board talked about 'printing' multi-layer circuit baords. Coupling this with a little bit of hardware and the actual circuits might be printed. Some /. respondents cought on right away. 1, 2, go read for more.

    There have also been articles on hydroforming, foam in place construction, etc.

    As for rapid prototype '3-D' printers, the articles author seems to miss two major uses of this technology. Form and fit prototypes, and most common, rapid pattern making for casting.

    Yes, it's happening within specific industries, big time, but the general purpose desktop fab is far in the future.

  5. let them eat cake...and see what happens! by rhettoric · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This would throw the world economy into chaos since any industry based on the manufacture of goods would suddenly be SOL.

    Of course, corporations would try to "fix" this situation with DRM-encoded recipes. Anyone can make a shoe (with the help of open source), but if you want the new spectacular Nike shoe recipe you have to spend money...the recipe components are downloaded to your nanofactory and boom, you have the "cool" shoe.

    What this would do would be to make branding more important that it already is. Emphasis will be placed on quality and style of the product instead of usability (which will be possible to gain for practically nothing). Stephenson thought that this would give rise to a whole new artisan class of the economy which I agree is possible.

    There will be economic restabilization, and that's going to mean a lot of death and suffering for a lot of people. Since people kill each other over resources anything that creates a massive alteration in how resources (and thus people) are controlled will result in war, whether they can produce the weapons from nanofacotries or not . But you just wait, this is only a precursor to the real suffering.

    The real danger of this, at least for me, isn't economic restabilization, but population control. With such a device food will be possible to create even more easily. No need for crops, cattle or any other "source" of food. All food can be manufactured for the simple cost of energy needed to combine the appropriate atoms.

    Any ecologist will tell you that the one thing that limits a population is food. (lots of people debate this and say humans are different. That we control our population at will, however since the "invention" of agriculture the world's human population has done nothing but go up. When the world's population starts decreasing because of self-imposed limits, then I'll listening to how we determine our own carrying capacity). World hunger is a constant issue now, but if everyone in the world can eat, I assure you that the world's next generation will be even bigger. And if all of them can eat...well you see where I'm going.

    The only thing limiting (and I use that word loosely) global population is the manufacture and distribution of food. If those limitations are taking away the world is soon going to be a very cramped and unlivable place.

  6. Re:Heh, by ElBorba · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And someone inserts a few strings in the instructions that generate a bubble of Cyanide gas around the object...

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    "The Borba"
  7. Re:ST Replicator != Molecular Manufacturing by ikkonoishi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And what happens when the local dictator seizes control of all the replicators to make weapons and food for his soldiers, and his friends?

    Or the local religion declares them to be the tools of the devil?

    Or the complexity of recreating a replicator causes the pattern to be corrupted?

    Oh wait I forgot this is magic technology.
    It never malfunctions and is always availible to anyone anywhere even if they are in such a back-assward place that hasn't even invented toothbrushes yet.

  8. if people take ideas from SciFi... by jeif1k · · Score: 2, Insightful

    at least they should give credit. The idea of individual automated object fabrication has been around for several decades at least and was part of a series of influential science fiction stories. The stories even describe the different levels of technology: macroscopic automated manufacturing in the earlier versions, microscopic and atomic in later.

    People at MIT didn't come up with the idea. In fact, they didn't come up with the hardware either: they took a bunch of off-the-shelf components (laser cutters, 3D scanner), put them together in the obvious and known way, and apparently are saying "look how smart we are". That is more a testament to the size of their bank account than to their smarts. Most people don't build those kinds of systems yet because they don't make economic sense yet. Once laser cutters and 3D scanners come down in price to the point of printers and digital cameras, then those combinations will be widely deployed.

    When that happens, just be sure to give credit where credit is due: the original visionaries, and the people who created the technology that made it work: the engineers developing the laser cutters and the inventors coming up with organic semiconductors used in the ink jet printers used for custom electronics manufacturing.

  9. Resources by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Many here are claiming that this would be the end of money, and that the economy would be throw in the crapper.

    Well, I'm sure there would be SERIOUS economic changes, but in order for this thing to function, it would need resources, which countries control.

    This would either lead to war over resources, and a desire for people to control those resources. Think about that and what it leads to.

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  10. Buta ctualyl fabriating anything will... by the_womble · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ....be a breach of someone's IP rights - on investions wuch as a "wheel manufatured using fabricating process".

    You will be able to use a fabricator only after taking legal advice, that is until they are banned as "devices designed to faciliate IP theft".