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Microsoft Sues Spammers

mclearn writes "Microsoft has filed seven more lawsuits against spammers, this time targeting those who violate the 'brown-paper wrapper' provision of the CAN-SPAM law, which sets rules for sexually oriented e-mail solicitations. Apparently these are a small part of over 120 spam-related cases Microsoft is currently litigating. With Microsoft's deep pockets, can they effectively send a resounding message to spammers?"

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  1. Makes Me Wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Out of curiosity, why is Microsoft bothering to litigate?

    Surely, the amount of money they spend doing this outweighs the "brownie points" they'll be winning.

    And, why wouldn't they just focus on writing anti-spam filtering software, and then _sell_ it as a solution to the spam problem? (In that light, shouldn't they be _encouraging_ more spammers so that they can sell more anti-spam software, or perhaps better convince people to switch to an "enhanced" Outlook 200x?)

    1. Re:Makes Me Wonder by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Probably a direct order from He Who Is Most Spammed, Mr. Bill G.

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    2. Re:Makes Me Wonder by thogard · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Out of curiosity, why is Microsoft bothering to litigate?

      One reason is that if they don't stop the spam from zombie windows boxes, they can get sued by others for engineering negligence combined with innocent third party issues. At this point they have no option but to show they are doing their best to go after the spamers and deal with a technical solution or else they are going to end up on the wrong end of a class action suit.

      The case to sue MS for the spam issue is getting stronger every day and one of these days they are going to wish they had done something sooner.

      Once the spam zombies are gone, the stupid hosters will be a much easier problem.

  2. Small dent in Hotmail Viagra Sales... by rzebram · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Of course, no matter how much they spend, we'll probably always be seeing viagra spam in our hotmail boxes. Perhaps in addition to this set of lawsuits (which benefit everybody, don't get me wrong), they should throw in a campaign to work on giving the Hotmail spam filters an overhaul. It might help the community a great deal if Microsoft were to push some of their development over to spam filtering, as well as integrating some of the better email authentication systems into Hotmail, Outlook and the like.

    Are there any published studies about how much spam could be reduced if Microsoft could place more effective anti-spam features into the OS itself

    Don't get me wrong, I think this is a great step forward, but I think (supposing spammers aren't a little more intimidated) that we might see a better reduction in spam if better precautions were to be taken. Sorry if I've missed any big features mixed in with Windows that might help with this, I don't pay much attention to the patching that goes in as far as email is concerned.

    Ryan

    1. Re:Small dent in Hotmail Viagra Sales... by Suburbanpride · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Are there any published studies about how much spam could be reduced if Microsoft could place more effective anti-spam features into the OS itself

      I certainly wouldn't want spam features built into the OS. Isn't the reason why we all hate microsoft that they put too much stuff into their os?

      Thunderbird does an ok job of filtering spam for me, although I'm very careful about where my email adress goes.

      the biggest thing that could help stop spam is if no one bought anything. sapm costs basicly nothing to send, so if 1 person out of a billion buys viagra or whatever, the spamer makes a profit.

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  3. I don't know who to root for! by GFLPraxis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't know who to root for! I don't want Microsoft to win money from spammers, but I want to spammers to burn and die (and go broke in the process). Who should I root for? I'm so confused...

  4. But what about the harmful stuff? by Ticklemonster · · Score: 5, Interesting
    My 10 year old son apparently registered at a gaming site that sells email addresses, because for a long time, he was getting pron emails. This has finally stopped, so I think either they gave up, or perhaps Moft is doing some good.

    But what I wonder, is why isn't Moft going after the spyware and all that put stuff on your machine that, if you remove it, it makes your machine act funky? Isn't that damaging their product, IE?, or sometimes even Windblows itself is messed up.

    Spam is a nuisance, but the adware and spyware are, imho, what are the biggest threat to people's computers. Of course, far be it from me to complain, because I make a liiiiittle on the side cleaning up machines over and over and over a freaking gain, but really, I think Moft should go out and start nailing some of these folks hard.

    (btw, Moft means Microsoft)

    That's my two cents, I expect no one to pay any attention to it, lol.

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  5. What are the punishments? by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Are there damages? Can suing spammers actually be a revenue stream for MS?

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  6. Re:The spammers will just move overseas by Indy1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    let the spammers flee to south america, asia, etc. Unless you need mail from such and such a country, firewall the HELL out of it. Koreans are already learning the hard way what it means to be so heavily blocked that no one accepts their mail traffic.

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  7. Re:I've had it by NuclearDog · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Because of you anti spam whacko zealots who dont know how to delete an email message .. people's civil liberties are going down the tube and the govt. is hunting down people who are just trying to make a living .. freaking DEAL WITH THE GODDAMN INCONVENIENCE.

    People dont mind rapists and murderes getting away .. but they want to skin alive anyone who causes them 1 second of delay. And yes an individual email only takes up one second of your time. I understand you get lots of spam from different sources .. but how can you punish someone who's doing what a lot of others are doing .. The punishments that the spammers receive is assymetrical revenge considering that the particular individual actually only cause one or two seconds of inconvenience per victim."


    Let's assume you're correct in saying it only takes 2 seconds per message, although I think it takes a bit more.

    If we assume 1 million copies of the message are sent out and reach someone's inbox, that's 2000000 seconds, or about 555.5 hours, collectively taken by that spammer.

    If we assume that all these people were making a mere $8 an hour, that's now $4444.00 that spammer has cost.

    That's not very realistic, though. Let's assume that 5 million messages found their way into some inboxes, and all the people were paid $25/hour and it took them 5 seconds to delete.

    5000000*5/60/60*25 == $173611.12

    Now, with about 100 messages a day finding their way into the average inbox (wild guess), that's $17,361,112.00 it has cost.

    Still think it's a minor inconvenience?

    "I understand you get lots of spam from different sources .. but how can you punish someone who's doing what a lot of others are doing .."

    So because Hitler killed a shit-load of jews (yes I know, some law about the longer a usenet thread continues, the more likely a comparison to Hitler & Nazis is...) and was never punished for it (he killed himself before anyone else got to him), we should let other people attempt to kill off a race without punishing them as long as they kill themselves once they're done?

    Come on, that's just weak.

    ND

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