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Is Some Software Meant to be Secret?

Tim writes "Tim Bray and Microsoft's Joe Marini are doing a back-and forth on Open Source. Tim serves (open everything), Joe returns (secret-source is good business) and Tim volleys (the closed-source niche is shrinking)."

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  1. FP for Puffy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Caint nobody make first post
    Caint nobody mod me down
    Oh no
    I got to keep on postin

  2. Judging from the IIS error page in the second link by Temporal · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think we have a winner.

  3. ahhh by nomadic · · Score: 3, Funny

    Come on, that summary doesn't tell us anything. You want us to have to read the article or something?!

  4. Yes by killmenow · · Score: 5, Funny

    My code is meant to be secret. If anyone ever saw it, I'd be ridiculed for my terrible coding style and lack of programming prowess. I don't think I could survive the shame.

    1. Re:Yes by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 2, Funny
      My code is meant to be secret. If anyone ever saw it, I'd be ridiculed for my terrible coding style and lack of programming prowess. I don't think I could survive the shame.

      Is that you, Mister Gates?

    2. Re:Yes by matrix0f8h · · Score: 2, Funny

      Heh. You think that people with CS Degrees know how to code? How cute...

    3. Re:Yes by legirons · · Score: 2, Funny

      "My code is meant to be secret. If anyone ever saw it, I'd be ridiculed for my terrible coding style and lack of programming prowess. I don't think I could survive the shame.
      -- Is that you, Mister Gates?"

      No, he said that he created some software...

  5. I think the point has been made. . . by Betelgeuse · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ha! Tim's page (the open-source advocate) is easily reachable, and is having no problems, but Joe's page seems to be experiencing a sounds slashdoting.

    Excellent.

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    1. Re:I think the point has been made. . . by imess · · Score: 3, Funny

      because it's supposed to be "closed."

    2. Re:I think the point has been made. . . by BitwiseX · · Score: 1, Funny

      The point that open source = more bandwidth and better servers? Slashdot effect. Proof positive that open source is better!

    3. Re:I think the point has been made. . . by killmenow · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, that's it! I bet the routers moving those packets between you and Tim's web site are all XORP. And all those routers between you and Joe's site are Cisco...That proves it!

    4. Re:I think the point has been made. . . by wildwood · · Score: 3, Funny

      "All right, where is the answer? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you click and we both serve pages, and find out who is right, and who is slashdotted."

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    5. Re:I think the point has been made. . . by ad0gg · · Score: 4, Funny

      Its not getting a slashdotting. He's running win2K workstation instead of server and is only allowed 5 connections on IIS. Thats why IIS error message is very responsive and says forbidden and not a Server 500 error.

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  6. Is Some Software Meant to be Secret? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I would tell you, bet then I'd have to kill you.

    1. Re:Is Some Software Meant to be Secret? by radish · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hmm. So +1 again for CuSeeme :)

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  7. Some secrets are counter productive... by DeVilla · · Score: 4, Funny

    Take Joe's web page. It's so secret that I can't even read it. To many people are trying to veiw it right now. Of course, the secret would be better served if he had been more selective about who he let's in, instead of just setting a number of people who would be in on what he had to say.

    More seriously, if a company can't beat a competing product by releasing open source, then I would assume the microsoft web server would be better and more popular than any open source web server. However, that doesn't seem to hold. Perhaps Joe has a response to that on his page. I'll have to wait until his (closed source) web server recovers to see.

  8. Uh... was it wise to say this to Microsoft? by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 2, Funny

    (The point about incompatible architecture is right, by the way; by analogy, if the OpenOffice guys could download all of the Microsoft Office source code tomorrow, it would probably slow them down more than help them.)

    You heard it here first folks, Office 2k4 source code leak on Kazaa tomorrow from 'unknown source'...

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  9. Re:Judging from the IIS error page in the second l by BrynM · · Score: 2, Funny
    Right, because we know both websites are hosted on hardware with equal processing power and available bandwidth.
    <sarcasm>Maybe he just needs to buy more client licenses...</sarcasm>
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  10. Software or Code? by Barumpus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Should code be secret? That is debatable and, in my opinion, would fall to an individual per code basis.

    As for software. Yes, some of that should have been kept secret. WinME, Daikatana, and the Deer Hunter series all come to mind in this case.

  11. Re:Nothing new by Minwee · · Score: 2, Funny

    Shhh... You're thinking too hard.

    That kind of thing will only cause discontent.

  12. Re:Beautyfull... by Moofie · · Score: 2, Funny

    linkg

    BALEETED.

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  13. We can only hope... by DaveAtFraud · · Score: 2, Funny

    That Microsoft keeps the source code for some of their products secret:

    1) Visual Basic
    2) Access
    3) Bob
    4) Outlook Express
    5) IIS
    6) Internet Explorer

    Preferably, they would keep the source code a secret by destroying *ALL* copies and starting over again.

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