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Musicians on Internet & Filesharing

reverseengineer writes "A Pew Internet & American Life survey asked (large PDF) 809 artists and 2,755 musicians, songwriters, and publishers about how they use the Internet, and whether it has been beneficial or detrimental to their success. Results (larger PDF) are quite interesting, with near 50-50 splits on a variety of questions involving fair use and filesharing. A quote from Pew's summary: 'Across the board, artists and musicians are more likely to say that the internet has made it possible for them to make more money from their art than they are to say it has made it harder to protect their work from piracy or unlawful use.' Here is the NY Times summary [ Free registration blah blah ] of the survey."

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  1. Yes and no. by Kenja · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes the internet is a great way to distribute music. However this does not mean its OK to download music without the creators permission. It is their choice where and how their creation is made available, not yours.

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    1. Re:Yes and no. by NardofDoom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I thought the problem was uploading music without the creator's permission.

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    2. Re:Yes and no. by superpulpsicle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Dude, it was never the artist's choice. How and who gets distributed and marketed was always the record company's choice. Can't tell you how many great artists I discovered thru iTunes alone.

      Record companies like to make it easy and market the same group of artists, and milk their talents. Look at Eminem, he's got a new album every freaking month. Do you think that was his choice? Kurt Cobain was stressed out as hell. The list goes on...

    3. Re:Yes and no. by Kenja · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "Dude, it was never the artist's choice. How and who gets distributed and marketed was always the record company's choice."

      It was their choice to sign over the copyright, and that is a choice that not all musicians make. For what its worth, in my option copyright should only be transferable on a contractual baises. In other words, the record companies should be working for the artists and not the other way around.

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    4. Re:Yes and no. by freqres · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Explain something to me... why is it copyrights currently last for what.. about 100 years after the creator's death, but patents lose their sole production status in about 10% of that time?

      Because Disney doesn't have a patent on Mickey Mouse.

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  2. Results not surprising... by Sefert · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The artists that lose big are the big artists - but most artists are struggling. The big challenge for 98% of artists isn't combating theft, but rather getting their name and work known enough to be in demand. Personally, I believe that any artist looking to get recognized would be wise to put their work out on the peer-to-peer network, with links to their websites in the filename info. Unfortunately, people like the RIAA (who represent the other 2%) who are making this kind of thing difficult.

    1. Re:Results not surprising... by lopingrhondo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wow, you are so wrong I can't believe it. Rare and independant music thrives on *many* p2p networks. There are whole torrent sites devoted to it.

  3. Title by Kipsaysso · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Its legality cannot be discussed as long as it is always refered to first and formost as ILLEGAL filesharing.

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  4. It's a fame thing by bigtallmofo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think you can reasonably accurately predict (with some exceptions of course) where an artist falls on the "Internet Good" or "Internet Bad" debate based on how famous they are.

    Those that are already famous want to wring every cent out of the fame they've worked hard to get and therefore loathe the Internet's ease of file sharing.

    Those looking to become famous love the Internet's ease of file sharing because it enables more people to be more easily exposed to their music.

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    1. Re:It's a fame thing by Orgazmus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When you care more for the money then the music, you are not a real artist anymore.

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  5. But are they right? by venicebeach · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So this is a little bit about what the artists believe the effect of filesharing has been on them, but I'm sure it's hard for anyone to really know. This doesn't tell us too much about what the actual effect of filesharing is on the artist. So many factors change over time how could you attribute your increased/decreased success to any one factor confidently?

  6. The real question by bonch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The real question is if idealogue file-swappers will respect the wishes of those who DON'T want their material being swapped around on P2P networks.

    If you don't respect the wishes of those people, you violate the idea that this is for the artists. That includes Metallica, even if you hate Lars Ulrich. You can't pick and choose your moralities.

    I don't get why copyrights don't matter in P2P articles but they matter in "GPL source code theft" articles.

  7. I'm not convinced.. by Prophetic_Truth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The concept of trying to poll certain musicians to reflect what all musicians as a whole think about the internet seems flawed. Considering how many genres music spans, how could you get an accurate reflection? How many punk bands made it into this poll?

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  8. Movies and Music are different by yorkpaddy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Movies are a different animal than music and it seems reasonable to protect them. Movies require huge investments by the studios compared to music. Movies also are the only product of actors. I can see recorded music serving primarily as an advertisement for musicians live shows. Movies aren't performed live, the movie is the only product (excluding merchandising). If people started sharing video recordings of plays, I would see no problem with that. With plays, the main product is still the performance in the theatre.

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  9. no big surprise by gargonia · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Most musicians make their money from show attendance. They usually only make pennies on the dollar from album sales. Quite a few artists report that filesharing actually improves their bottom line! After all, more people listening increases the chance that more people will come to the show.

    Music "piracy" usually only hurts the suits at the recording companies. I have a hard time feeling too sorry for them. They're making their living by charging artists for advertising and distributing their work, and the internet makes that very low cost or free. The business model has changed, and the recording industry has not changed with it. A band can now make a very professional recording all on their own, advertise it, and distribute it for next to nothing. The suits just haven't realized it yet.

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  10. Re:Why do musicians go for recording contracts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Simple: for the promotion.

    Recording labels' job is to promote and get the music distributed.

    Now go turn on the radio. Find some music. Who's playing? Score one for the record labels.

    Many bands feel it's easier to let the big boys promote them while the band gets a big paycheck, rather than do all the dirty work themselves and possibly not reach as big an audience thereby getting a (much) smaller and less reliable paycheck.

  11. Irrelevant in most cases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The vast majority of these artists have signed over control of their IP to a second party - ones whose opinion of the Internet and filesharing are well-known by now. Talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words. The artists' opinions for a poll/survey are one thing, but that is not generally reflected in the contractual agreements they voluntarily execute.

  12. Its a leveling effect by LordZardoz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I suspect that over the long term, rather then having 1 megastar for every 1000 aspiring artists, you will have many different niche artists of middling fame, known to their fans though not beyond.

    Those that are currently struggling anyway really have nothing to lose from filesharing, and plenty to gain.

    But the mega star types will have an eroded fan base as the fans find music more directly in line with their personal tastes. And artists who peaked early will not be able to coast on their old glories for nearly as long. Songs that would have made them hit big will not sustain them as long as people will just buy one copy when they hear it the first time, and probably just grab copies after that. Or just rip their original to new mediums as the medium changes.

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  13. Re:Why do musicians go for recording contracts? by confusednoise · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Record companies give musicians much help -- there are so many things that are hard for an independent musician to do that a big company already has 900 lbs of existing gorilla weight to do.

    Like promotion. I can get on the phone to radio stations and maybe one by one convince them to give my music a listen. Maybe some of them will even play it on the air (once or twice). A big record company gives a push to their artists that can actually get something on the playlist.

    Or touring. Yeah, small bands can tour a lot and do all right. But what if, god forbid, they want to get *off* the road for a little while? Road life is hard - give a listen to the big established acts about the rigors of the road then imagine doing it without the fancy tour bus, without hotel rooms (sleeping on people's floors).

    And booking. Booking even a short tour (1 - 2 weeks) is hard. You need to call each club over and over to finally book the gig. A booking agent makes that so much easier.

    Bottom line is that it can be done without any of that support structure, but it's hard as hell which is why so many people are willing to sell their souls to big record labels in return for the exposure and some of the perks.

  14. Sonny Bono owns you by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The artists are given temporary control

    To anybody who participates in the creation of a recording or other work of authorship, how is life plus 70 years "temporary"? It sounds more like a prison sentence for a double murder than an acceptable bargain to promote the progress of science and useful arts.

  15. about holding p2p services liable by Bontux · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If p2p application makers are held responsible for illegal file-swapping, should not gun makers be held responsible for the illegal use of their products?

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