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A Strange Streak Imaged in Australia

Koyaanisqatsi writes "Today's Astronomy Picture of the Day presents a challenge worthy of a large audience: as it says, "Meteor experts don't think it's a meteor. Atmospheric scientists don't think it's lightning". An intriguing dark streak and bright flash that defies explanation showed up on some cloud monitoring pictures. The forumsetup to discuss it is currently hosed, so perhaps fellow slashdotters can shed some light over the mystery?"

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  1. It's old news... by CodeWanker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    but when this pic surfaced the first time, people speculated that the flat trajectory meant it had to be a tiny meteorite, with the flash resulting from the rock hitting a street light. a 1 in a billion photo, I imagine.

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    1. Re:It's old news... by CyberGarp · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've got a photo at home of a statue of Sophia. The camera caught a lens flare off the top of her head going towards heaven. I thought it was a wonderful lens effect I couldn't have made if I tried. I think it's either an unusual lens flare, or as another poster mentioned, an insect flying near the lens out of the focal range. Shawn

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  2. That streak is awful straight by Lonesome+Squash · · Score: 4, Interesting

    for any sort of natural phenomenon. It suggests a photographic artifact of some sort. Is the flash definitely related? It certainly appears to be coming from the end of what the APoD caption identifies as a light pole, which is not working. Could it have failed with a sudden flash? Could it coincidentally have occurred at the same time as the streak artifact?

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  3. Re:My view by interiot · · Score: 4, Informative

    Except that camera was periodically taking pictures, and the picture right before and the picture right after don't show any problems on the lens.

  4. Re:Streak? by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 4, Funny

    Weird! I could see the streak until I wiped my screen with a Kleenex and the streak vanished!

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  5. Sorry, everyone! by fireboy1919 · · Score: 5, Funny

    That was me.

    I was trying out my new death-ray. I had it miscalibrated so that you could see it.

    Don't worry about it. When death comes and strikes from the heavens for real, it'll be completely invisible.

    -Ming the Merciless

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  6. What a clear photo! by Hatechall · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What I don't understand is how the "flash" at the end of the streak is so clean of an image. Even with crazy f/stop settings and an ISO equiv of 400 - I would imagine a picture in that light would have to have a shutter speed of at most 1/30th of a second, more than enough time to cause blur even to a slowly moving object. Am I off base here?

  7. Re:UFO? by dark_panda · · Score: 4, Funny

    There was no alien. The flash of light you saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.

    Nothing to see here, move along folks.

    J

  8. Re:Um, flaw in the film? by suso · · Score: 5, Informative

    Um, film? It was a digital picture to begin with. Check out this in the header of the image:

    uExif
    Canon
    Canon PowerShot G3
    ACD Systems Digital Imaging
    2004:11:25 15:20:49
    0220
    0100
    2004:11:22 18:52:52
    2004:11:22 18:52:52
    IMG:PowerShot G3 JPEG
    Firmware Version 1.02

  9. Re:Solution posted by 00Sovereign · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's not the solution to this image. However, it is the solution to the APOD from September 13th which can be seen at: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040913.html

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  10. No way by PhysicsGenius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's clearly an artifact. If the flash at the end of the streak was something "out there", it would have to have either hit the water or the light. The after pic shows no waves and the pole is unharmed--there's no even any "smoke" left. It's hard to judge how much time has passed, but it can't have been more than a few seconds. (On the far right is a speeding motorboat and he only gets a little ways between each frame.) With no fragments or smoke just a moment later, it has to be an artifact of some kind.

    1. Re:No way by dangermouse · · Score: 5, Funny
      It's clearly an artifact.

      Yes, an ancient, alien artifact, pregnant with long-dormant, world-ravaging evil, which will no doubt unleash terrible plague and death and destruction the world over, consuming the entire human race in an unimaginable apocalypse, only possibly averted by some unlikely everyman hero who has heretofore been overlooked by society but who will, no doubt, be immortalized by his deeds on the day the evil is returned to this artifact and banished forever.

      Clear as day. It's right there in the photo.

    2. Re:No way by ultrasound · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, additional analysis here shows a slightly more energetic explosion than the original image suggests.

    3. Re:No way by Hrdina · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think that one came from the George Lucas expanded edition of the original.

  11. My solution by troon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    OK, here's my solution. The light levels are fairly low: the EXIF data from the big image reveals that the Powershot G3 used 1/20s exposure at f/5.6.

    I reckon the streak and the blur are very, very close to the camera, and that the intersection with the streetlamp is conincidence.

    I believe that the mystery object is an insect flying "north-west" (i.e. towards the top left of the camera). The EXIF data tells us that the flash was fired, although goodness knows why any decent photographer would use a flash for that shot.

    The flash on most cameras fires at the beginning of the exposure time, and the insect is captured in flight and out of focus near the middle of the frame. It then continues flying for the rest of the 1/20s exposure causing the black streak.

    Where do I go to collect my prize?

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    1. Re:My solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting


      You guys have such wonderful imaginations. The fellow who described it as a photographic artifact is as close as any of you get.

      Note that a line inscribed from the sun to the flash at the postition of the light pole is at right angles too the black streak.

      This is whats commonly known as a ''sun dog'', or lens flare, though it is produced in this case from the reflection rather than the sun itself.

      I reached this conclusion after using photoshop CS with the Genuine Fractals scaling plugin on a G4 powermac to enlarge the picture over 500%. Though there was some lossiness as the reflection area was blown up nearly to screen size, it is clearly a reflection off of the light fixture at the top of the pole.

      Gimme back my prize :P

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    2. Re:My solution by jridley · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is whats commonly known as a ''sun dog'', or lens flare

      Careful, sun dogs and lens flares are two completely different things. Lens flares are caused by internal reflections inside the lens. Sun dogs are caused by the sun's light hitting ice crystals in the atmosphere and are visible to the eye.

    3. Re:My solution by stuffman64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Definately. Check out this image of a bug, though in somewhat more focus. Notice the characteristic black streak as in the "meteor photo?" The "mystery" object is nothing more than a bug which just happens to be flying in the right place at the right time.

      Also, I did some Photoshop work (inspired by a previous post), and despite the arguement that it is a perfectly straight line, I tend to disagree. IMHO, here is definately some deviation to it, as the parallel lines in my image show (though it's not very good). See it here.

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  12. Timestamps on the images by suso · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually, here is something revealing, it seems that his before and after images are reversed:

    $ strings strangebefore_pryde_big.jpg | head
    uExif
    Canon
    Canon PowerShot G3
    ACD Systems Digital Imaging
    2004:11:25 15:23:11
    0220
    0100
    2004:11:22 18:53:07
    2004:11:22 18:53:07
    IMG:PowerShot G3 JPEG
    $ strings strange_pryde_big.jpg | head
    uExif
    Canon
    Canon PowerShot G3
    ACD Systems Digital Imaging
    2004:11:25 15:20:49
    0220
    0100
    2004:11:22 18:52:52
    2004:11:22 18:52:52
    IMG:PowerShot G3 JPEG
    $ strings strangeafter_pryde_big.jpg | head
    uExif
    Canon
    Canon PowerShot G3
    ACD Systems Digital Imaging
    2004:11:25 15:22:47
    0220
    0100
    2004:11:22 18:52:37
    2004:11:22 18:52:37
    IMG:PowerShot G3 JPEG
    $

    1. Re:Timestamps on the images by bcattwoo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ah, but this was in Australia. In the Southern Hemisphere clocks run counter-clockwise (well, still clockwise to them), so time runs opposite of what it does in the Northern Hemisphere.

  13. Lots of Meteorites hit Australia yesterday by Shanes · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Se here for some reports.

  14. Re:Um, flaw in the film? by pdh11 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Canon PowerShot G3

    My guess is a very bright event (the failure of the streetlight, probably) causing CCD overexposure and subsequent temporary ill effects on the rest of the CCD scan line. Any Canon geeks in the house who know about the CCD scanning direction of a Powershot G3 and can compare it with the streak "trajectory" angle?

    Peter

  15. My Questions by ErroneousBee · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1. Is the trajectory staight, or does it drop slightly. Putting a ruler up against my screen indicates it drops slightly, but that doesnt mean anything.

    2. Is it a flash, or is it a steady bright light (like what a meteor head would be). Need to know the exposure time for that info.

    3. Is there any sign of the trail in the after photo.

    4. How long is it before the after photo was taken?

    5. It the flash infront of, behind, or exactly congruent with the pole top.

    6. Is the trail wider at the top than the bottom. If it is, is this dispersion of smoke or paralax and the object was moving away.

    7. Is the image film or digital.

    8. What is the white stuff? Shock front? Something disintegrating? Why is it that funny shape?

    9. Was the light working previously? When was it last known to be working? There may be pictures of it from the night before.

    Well, thats my questions. I think its a meteor.

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  16. Re:Um, flaw in the film? by pslam · · Score: 5, Interesting
    My guess is a very bright event (the failure of the streetlight, probably) causing CCD overexposure and subsequent temporary ill effects on the rest of the CCD scan line. Any Canon geeks in the house who know about the CCD scanning direction of a Powershot G3 and can compare it with the streak "trajectory" angle?

    I've had all sorts of annoying artifacts like this on my image capture setup at home, but generally overloading the CCD produces horizontal and vertical streaks only, which would follow the layout of the CCD (rows and columns?) The image could still be explained by either:

    • The CCD being deliberately mounted at an angle in the G3 (perhaps to reduce aliasing effects).
    • The bright spot caused lens flaring towards the top level just before the shot, with nearby pixels being dimmed in the image taken very shortly after.

    My theory is the bright flash is actually sunlight reflected off the lamp and either overloading the CCD or causing a lens flare just before the image, resulting in this artifact. I get that a lot with cars going by my camera setup at home, especially at sunrise and sunset. The only difference I get is that they're all perfectly horizontal and/or vertical.

  17. Those pictures have got to be in the wrong order! by PhilHibbs · · Score: 4, Informative

    Take a look at the way the clouds are moving - I've never seen clouds billowing inwards.
    before
    "the" picture
    after

  18. Re:It looks like... by LnxAddct · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am in no way an expert at this stuff, but judgin from the color, streak, projectory, and location (Australia), it look to me like a burning hot piece of some very durable metal that was falling through the atmosphere. A lost satellite best fits that description.
    Regards,
    Steve

  19. Re:Those pictures have got to be in the wrong orde by jace78 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, those pictures are out of order. Check the time stamp on the pictures.

  20. OMG the sky is falling!!! by gosand · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Meteor experts don't think it's a meteor. Atmospheric scientists don't think it's lightning

    Paleontologists don't think it is a dinosaur, NASA doesn't think it is a spacecraft, financial experts don't think it will have an adverse effect on the economy, lawyers could be preparing a lawsuit on behalf of Bigfoot for IP infringement, the FDA has said it could have adverse side effect, the White House has declined to comment. Currently the photo is on sale at eBay with the high bid at $785.

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  21. Re:Um, flaw in the film? by jridley · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nope, CCD blooming happens primarily vertically, sometimes horizontally. Never on an angle. That flash isn't bright enough to cause that massive of an overexposure, and blooming causes the overexposure to bleed into the rest of the column/row, so it would be brighter, not darker. Also, blooming is typically symmetrical from the event, this image has the line going out only in one direction.

  22. Some numbers by Shillo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ok, I did some work on this...

    First, EXIF fields in the photos... something you should look at first.

    Camera: Canon PowerShot G3
    Date and Time (original): 2004:11:22 18:52:52
    Exposure Time: 1/19 sec.
    Aperture: f/5.6

    And for the photo After:
    Date and Time (original): 2004:11:22 18:52:37

    So the photos were taken with 1/19 sec. exposure, every 15 seconds.

    I took the two images into GIMP, substracted them, brightened the result a lot (using Levels) and ran it through despecle. First, the lamps do look perfectly identical between the photos (or there'd be a spot around the lamp where it changed shape). In fact, the only bright bits that remain (apart from the sea reflections) are the flash and the streak.

    The streak looks conical, at 1-1.5 degrees (I measured roughly using GIMP). It ends before the edge of the picture. It's about 1200 pixels long, in fact. The street lamps are 60 pixels long... Assuming that a street lamp would be on the order of 5-10 metres high, you get about 100-200 metres streak.

    The cloud is VERY visible on the difference image; it has yellow-orange central spot and 2 pure-white spots to the sides; this seems consistent with a central fire and a smoke circle.

    Now I substracted the before and after image and brightened them the same way. I *think* there is a visible dark spot at the place where the white cloud was; however, the image is so noisy that it could just be my imagination.

    I think that the flash and the cloud were from the blown lamp. They dissipated rapidly, but there could be traces left... I'd have to do much better image processing to be able to tell.

    I have no idea whatsoever what the dark streak could be. It doesn't look like a CCD sensor problem - overloaded CCDs leak brightness straight up, as far as I know. I also don't know of any lens flare that can darken the photo. It could be smoke, in which case something would be hitting the street lamp. But that would've caused lots of visible damage.

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  23. This is an very common phenomenon by Thagg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You can see this dark streak almost every day in southern california, or almost anyplace that has contrails visible in the sky. When the contrail goes between you and the sun, you can see a dark band coming down from it. Watch for it!

    Basically, what you are seeing is the equivalent of a sunbeam, except that it's a shadow-beam. A sunbeam occurs when there is a small hole in the cloud, and the light going through the hole illuminates the dust particles and water droples in the air along the path of the light. If the light is strong and the background relatively dark, it is easy to see these sunbeams (or God rays.)

    Shadows through the sky are somewhat harder to see, because the contrast is not as great. When they are dramatic, as in this picture, you have to have the fortuitous situation of looking through a long, well defined slab of shadowed air, with well-lit air on either side. Airplane contrails are the perfect shadow source for this.

    Imagine a 3D volume of a shadow cast by a contrail. It is a long thin slab of shadowed air. If you are within that slab, and looking along it, all the air in that direction is shadowed, for many miles, so the contrast between the shadowed air and the surrounding air is strong.

    A good bit of the light around the shadow beam is not light scattered by dust or water droplets, but is just the same Raliegh-scattered light that makes the sky blue. The dark streak through the sky will be noticably darker and especially less blue than the surrounding air.

    As you can tell, this is one of my favorite (of many!) atmospheric optical phenomena. Once you start to look for them, they are quite easy to see. Occasionally you can see them from natual cloud formations or even topographical or architechural features when the conditions are just right.

    Thad Beier

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  24. photoshopped image... by zebruh · · Score: 5, Informative

    Maybe this will shed some light. It's a Photoshop "difference" between the before image and the mystery image, with a bit of levels adjustment to make it more obvious. http://img119.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img119&image=x2fst rangeprydebigdi.jpg

    1. Re:photoshopped image... by d3cr33p · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey, near the flash...I...am I the only one that can see a faint outline of....ELVIS! The king HAS returned!

  25. It's not an artifact: Proof by Drexus · · Score: 3, Informative

    I analysed the images and found that there is reflected light on the water that places the flash very close to the street light. Try this: - Load all three images into Photoshop. - Convert each image to Multichannel mode. - Select the yellow channel only in each image (channels window) - Bring up your curves window "Cmd+M":mac, "Ctrl+M":PC - Set the highlights: input 40% output 0% and the shadows: input 62% output 100% Do this for each image on the yellow channel only (save the curve and reuse it for each image for accuracy) Once each yellow channel is adjusted. (make sure you are not viewing channels in the the channel colour - view yellow as black) Tab through (cycle) each image to see the highlight in the water appear. (zoom out from each image with your keyboard - PS will place them all at the same position on your screen for a still animation). The light reflection you see will be a similar effect produced by lights on the waters edge from a NYC skyline at night - Tall and defused. It's not a bug. There is no smoke. That is a flash near the street light. No camera flash was used, and there is no sun beams present in the scene. I have no other explanation at this time. All I can say is the dark line is not smoke.

  26. Re:My view by Magic5Ball · · Score: 3, Interesting

    EXIF data says the photo was shot at 1/20 at f5.6. The before, during, after photos were taken at 15s intervals.

    Assuming that the distance between the bulldozer and the surface anomoly site is 100m, if this were a projectile, it would be moving at about 2 kilometres per second.

    Note that the flight path appears slightly parabolic (bulges up), indicating that some non-gravity acceleration is involved.

    Also, why are we assuming that this projectile originated from the sky and not from under the water?

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  27. Re:Um, flaw in the film? by pdh11 · · Score: 4, Informative

    the streak "trajectory" angle

    The streak angle, BTW, is exactly arctan(2/3) -- the streak goes two pixels up for every three across. (It goes 652 pixels up and 978 across, which is less than 1% different from 2/3, smaller than the error of me pointing at things in the Gimp.) To me this makes it very likely to be an artifact.

    Peter

  28. Bad Science from "The Bad Astronomer" by mike18xx · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Bad Science from "The Bad Astronomer" -- On the Bad Astronomy page (which I am unable, for some reason, to create an account on due to the "robot" rejecting a correct letter/number verifier.), "Bad Astronomer" (henceforth, "BA") wrote:
    If this were a meteor hitting the lamp, then the center of the streak should hit the lamp-- if we are to believe the image shows the lamp exploding upon impact, the trail should not have had time to drift. Since the streak misses the lamppost, I assume that this picture does not show a meteor.
    Why are "we to believe the image shows the lamp exploding"? Wouldn't it be an easier assumption that the lamp is simply in the foreground and the bright object is either the incandescent meteor itself or its splash & steam-cloud in the water behind the post?
    Also, a small meteor would have long since slowed to free fall by the time it hit the ground, so the angle of attack would be vertical, not at the 33 degree angle in the picture.
    Bullets traveling less than one-tenth the speed of a meteorite are easily able to miles of atmosphere without slowing to free-fall. A reasonably aerodynamic iron/nickel meteorite could easily slam straight in at an oblique slant angle at still supersonic speed. (The small white arc which is just to the right of the flash/splash is, I maintain, slight condensation attending the atmospheric shock-wave which is visible only from a vantage point along the plane of the shove-wave.) I believe the image shows the impact of a dime-to-quarter-sized meteorite traveling slightly under the speed of sound at splash-down. Not only does it satisfy Occam's Razor with only a single item explaining all features on the image (dark trail, white arc, bright flash), but also represents a phenomena which actually isn't that unusual, and which have been recorded on film on more than one instance before.