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Math Skills Survey Shows U.S. Lags Behind

3l1za writes "The New York Times reports that the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development has released its results (pdf) for a test of mathematical skills given to 15 year olds in 40 different countries. A few apparent anomalies: The US kids rated 28th of 40 (so in the bottom third) while the Czech Republic, which spends in education 1/3 of what the US spends, ranked in the top 10. Further, only about 1/3 of US kids reported that they did not feel as though they were good at math, whereas about 2/3 of Koreans reported this--and the Koreans ranked in the top three. 'Mr. Schleicher said that students in countries that emphasized theorems and rote learning tended not to do as well as those that emphasized the more practical aspects of mathematics.'"

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  1. First Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now someone is going to tell me that I can't eve count to one!

    1. Re:First Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      Oh, shit. My first FP, and I was so afraid I'd fail it that I posted AC. It's like getting a hole in one on the day you called in sick to work.
      At least then you'd have proof of being able to count to one ;)
    2. Re:First Post by Overzeetop · · Score: 2, Funny

      Chalk the "even" up to trying to type too freakin' fast. It's the same suggestion I get all the time, "slow down and take longer strokes." ;-)

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    3. Re:First Post by gmknobl · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, but you can prove that zero and one exist!

  2. Laziness by moronicidiot · · Score: 4, Funny

    We = Lazy. Leave us alone and quit picking on us :)

    1. Re:Laziness by bigpat · · Score: 4, Funny

      " Laziness is the mother of invention."

      Or maybe I should have said.... Laziness is the father of invention.

    2. Re:Laziness by buht · · Score: 2, Funny

      you left out fat too :)

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  3. Could you display results in a USA Today graph? by geoffrobinson · · Score: 5, Funny

    All those numbers in the post are hurting my head.

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  4. Yabbut... by russotto · · Score: 4, Funny

    Our American Football programs are still tops!

    1. Re:Yabbut... by Overzeetop · · Score: 3, Funny

      But the folks who choose who plays for the national championship still can't count higher than two. (Though, in their defense, they seem to grasp numbers in the billions, as long as there's a dollar sign in front of the first number)

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  5. Barbie said it best by cephyn · · Score: 5, Funny

    Math is hard.

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    1. Re:Barbie said it best by Pxtl · · Score: 5, Funny

      Einstein sent this reply, along with a page full of diagrams, to a 15-year-old girl who had written for help on a homework assignment: "Do not worry about your difficulties in mathematics; I can assure you that mine are much greater."

      My wife's studying to be a math teacher - she loves that one.

    2. Re:Barbie said it best by chialea · · Score: 3, Funny

      Let me tell you, shopping is much harder. Let's do cryptography!

      Lea

    3. Re:Barbie said it best by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 2, Funny
      Einstein had an assistant (name?)

      Liebchen

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  6. With Bush in office its no surprise by fanboy19 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Rarely is the question asked, "Is our children learned"."

    1. Re:With Bush in office its no surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      So you're blaming Bush for your language and memory deficiencies?

      Corrected Subject: With Bush in office it's no surprise.

      Corrected Text: "Rarely is the question asked, 'Is our children learning?'"

  7. Re:It's COOL to suck at math by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 4, Funny
    "In this country, there's a huge stigma attached to being good at math. If you are good at math, you're a nerd, where as all the cool kids suck at math, and are proud of that fact. Change the perceptions, and you'll go a long way toward improving the scores."

    Bart Simpson is clearly to blame for this.

  8. Toddler math by saddino · · Score: 4, Funny

    The New York Times reports that the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development has released its results (pdf) for a test of mathematical skills given to 15 year olds in 40 different countries

    Um, according to these figures the average age of these "children" in each country was barely five months old (15/40 = .375 years old). Something's fishy here.

  9. Re:Statistically invalid samples by Orgazmus · · Score: 5, Funny

    You didn't win? They MUST have cheated!

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  10. No child left behind by Dark+Bard · · Score: 3, Funny

    He doesn't appear to be missing many. They seem to be failing in unison. At least Bush got them working together.

  11. If you're not part of the solution... by billster0808 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I was looking at the countires that are ahead of us, and i saw Latvia. I thought to myself "Latvia? How the crap did we get beat by Latvia? I don't even know where Latvia is!!". I don't think i could possibly be helping us get better in our standings....

  12. Something fishy. by Atragon · · Score: 2, Funny
    Um, according to these figures the average age of these "children" in each country was barely five months old (15/40 = .375 years old). Something's fishy here.

    Only your math skills.

  13. Don't worry about it. by 2names · · Score: 5, Funny
    How can we possibly trust a statistical study that was conducted by Americans anyway?

    *ducks*

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    1. Re:Don't worry about it. by formfeed · · Score: 2, Funny

      "The US kids rated 28th of 40 (so in the bottom third)"

      Bunch of liberal propaganda, 40 doesn't even divide by three.

  14. More money is not the answer... by digitalamish · · Score: 4, Funny

    The answer is to outsource our math tests to an offshore company. There we can not only raise the averages, but do it at a fraction of the cost (which they will be able to calculate for us).
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  15. Quiz of the day: a third of fourty is.... by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Funny

    Way to be down on the US man, except you forgot one thing - 28th out of fourty just doesn't work out to being in the bottom third, no matter what country you are from!

    And you would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those damn SlashDot readers!

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  16. Sample Word Problem by boatboy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Johnny has 5 apples. Suzie has 3 apples. Bob gives one of Johnny's apples to Suzie. How do you think Johnny feels?

  17. Holy shit, they're right by computational+super · · Score: 5, Funny
    change chanting "2 times 2 equals 4"

    Damn, dude - you should know by know that it's two plus two that equals four... no wonder we're behind in math, with this sort of disinformation wandering the internet...

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    1. Re:Holy shit, they're right by Traa · · Score: 2, Funny
      2 + 2 = 5


      for very large values of 2!

    2. Re:Holy shit, they're right by Rei · · Score: 2, Funny

      Inchworm, inchworm, measuring the marigolds...

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    3. Re:Holy shit, they're right by UserGoogol · · Score: 5, Funny

      Pfft. I don't know what sort of half-baked school you went to, but I learned that 2^2 = 4

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    4. Re:Holy shit, they're right by ArcticCelt · · Score: 2, Funny

      M4ths 4r n0t s0 imp0rt4nt wh3n y0u c0pens4te with my l33t sk1llz in l4nguage 4nd cultur3!!!!

      lol

      :(

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    5. Re:Holy shit, they're right by step0130 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I thought 2+2=5. I love you Big Brother.

    6. Re:Holy shit, they're right by AuMatar · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sorry. ANything xored with itself is 0.

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  18. Re:Ditch those funky calculators!!! by AlexeiMachine · · Score: 2, Funny

    No problem. Diebold has agreed to supply all students with new "counting-machines" based on their highly precise voting machines.

    To ensure success next year, they've also volunteered to tabulate the scores from all countries.

    So don't worry, starting next year, the US should occupy the top three positions, followed by its closest allies. France, China and Russia will be lucky if they make it in front of Iraq.

  19. Statistical Error by The_Real_Nire · · Score: 2, Funny

    So this just means that if this survey was performed by americans, then the results could be way off.

    Think about that one without making your head explode.

  20. I have a .375 year old... by BubbaTheBarbarian · · Score: 2, Funny

    And he is GREAT at math. He knows that 1 cry + 1 poop = 1 diaper change and 2 boobies = 1 lunch

  21. Reasons... by SharpFang · · Score: 2, Funny



    A tap broke in the flat of a professor of maths. He called a plumber. The plumber arrived, in 15 replaced a pipe and charged the professor 1/4 his monthly salary.
    "My god! So much? But it didn't look difficult at all! You must earn quite a bit more than I do!"
    "Sure, just become a plumber and you'll earn as much as me. No, seriously, there is demand, and the job isn't really hard..."
    So the professor became a plumber. He started repairing leaking taps etc, earning a lot of money for very little work. And it lasted until one day when the union decided all the plumbers need to know at least basics of maths, so there will be a training...
    So, the training starts, the maths is extremely simple, just like for kids. And then the teacher calls our professor to the blackboard and asks him to write the formula for the field of circle.
    And professor, in terror realizes, he forgot.
    "Okay, no panic. I'm a math professor, I don't remember the formula but I can derive it."
    So he starts calculating the formula, splitting the circle into infinitely many pieces, filling whole blackboard with calculations, integrals, derivatives... finally comes up with minus pi r squared.
    "No, that's wrong. Field can't be negative. There must be a mistake somewhere." So he checks his calculations once, twice, can't find the error. And whisper arises in the classroom filled with a crowd of plumbers. Finally he starts recognising the words in the whisper, and everyone in the room whispers "Exchange limits of the integral! Exchange limits of the integral!"

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  22. ...and it's stupid to be cool.... by abb3w · · Score: 2, Funny
    The rest of the world will eat our lunch.

    And steal our milk money, too.

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  23. Re:Yeah, but how fast does Linux boot? by quamaretto · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yes, I did indeed manage to post this in the wrong thread entirely. XD Oh well. I lose at slashdot.

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  24. What do you call... by generalphilips · · Score: 2, Funny

    an American with PhD's in Math and Physics? Stupid American. -South Park

  25. Re:Very Telling Indeed by MourningBlade · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think the most useful thing would be to test schools and group them regardless of country so we can try to figure out the common elements among them. Insisting that all the educations in the United States are as similar as all the educations in Monaco is ludicrous.

    This is a superset of your idea, which I think is a good one.

  26. Re:I know the exact moment math became by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, since I didn't have access to a computer in 1975 it would have been kind of hard to write a program.

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