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Studios Face Off in Next-Gen DVD Format War

WaZiX writes "After yesterday's HD-DVD strike, the Blu-Ray Disc format received support from Disney (and its Buena Vista Home Entertainment unit) as reported by ZDNET. As predicted, the format war has only just begun."

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  1. Is this really news? by Tetsugaku-San · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As before, there will be a short 'format war', maybe even shorter this time, say 6 months - and low and behold every product will sudenly start supporting every format - just like they did when DVD burners became popular.

    Time to comoditisation of products get's shorter every month :D

    1. Re:Is this really news? by OECD · · Score: 4, Insightful

      and low and behold every product will sudenly start supporting every format

      No doubt. The real 'war' here is settling which format groups will be able to collect licensing fees from which manufacturers.

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    2. Re:Is this really news? by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 5, Insightful
      "As before, there will be a short 'format war', maybe even shorter this time, say 6 months - and low and behold every product will sudenly start supporting every format - just like they did when DVD burners became popular."

      Except that HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are a lot more dissimilar than DVD+R and DVD-R. (Note: Some people think that + and - are identical after being recorded, but this is false. There are differences in the optics and signal processing techniques.)

      My understanding is that the HD and Blu-Ray formats have notably different data storage sizes and manufacturing processes. The discs are tangibly and physically different in design.

      Compare that to DVD+R and DVD-R. Their designs are almost identical. Even the ancient Panasonic DVD player from four years ago we have in the living room plays both formats even though it was invented before recordable DVD. That's how similar they are.

      Will a first gen HD player read Blu Ray discs? Probably not. I'm not saying that dual format HD/Blu-Ray devices won't come out. I am saying that it will be a longer wait than with +R/-R readers.

  2. Disney's Closed Universe of Advertising by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "Yippee! Even more room to store lengthy commercials for other "limited edition gold/platinum" DVDs of re-released animated movies from 40+ years ago. "

    Heh, you beat me to it. That was my first thought too. Disney is amazing in its ability to force-feed cross-marketing material at their consumers. I have a couple of young nieces who watch Disney full time, and when I'm over at their house (and thus seeing what's on the Disney channel), I'm always amazed that they exist in a closed universe of Disney material.

    The Disney TV show is interrupted by a commercial advertising another upcoming Disney TV show, followed by a "behind the scenes" look at the filming of the latest Disney movie, interrupted with an "insider's access pass" to the music from the latest Disney DVD, along with ads for Disney theme parks, Radio Disney, and now back to our Disney TV show, but first let's meet the backup singers from the new Disney movie.

    After that I just want to retch in technicolor...

    1. Re:Disney's Closed Universe of Advertising by Yartrebo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I beg to differ.

      Trix, Lucky Charms, and Twizzlers are to kids as cigarettes, alchohol, and caffiene are to adults. They're addictive and harmful substances that should not be consumed by anyone.

      While I wouldn't suggest banning them, they sure aren't "kid friendly". I would, however, favor a ban on advertising such junk food to people of any age.

  3. I'm curious by geeber · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As predicted, the format war has only just begun.

    How exactly does one claim success here?

    1. Re:I'm curious by rossi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Whichever format the porno industry "jumps" for... :-P

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  4. Oh joy, another upgrade treadmill by Aim+Here · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Huh? What's wrong with the DVDs I have now? Will the picture be so sharp and crystal clear and picture-perfect that I simply must upgrade? Will the sound on these things really be so good that if I close my eyes I really will think that Will Smith or Keanu Reeves or Sigourney Weaver or whoever massacred an entire clan of godless communist bug eyed alien monsters on my living room carpet? Is it really possible for these things to be as much of an improvement over DVD as DVD was over VHS? Doesn't the law of diminishing returns have something to say about this?

    Oh yeah, I forgot. Someone worked a way round the bogus encryption and region coding and DVD-player vendor lockout last time round, so we've all got to dump our perfectly good DVDs and our DVD players and throw more money at film studio execs and consumer hardware manufacturers. Silly me.

    1. Re:Oh joy, another upgrade treadmill by garcia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh yeah, I forgot. Someone worked a way round the bogus encryption and region coding and DVD-player vendor lockout last time round, so we've all got to dump our perfectly good DVDs and our DVD players and throw more money at film studio execs and consumer hardware manufacturers. Silly me.

      Nice. I didn't even think of that. Problem here is that the DVD format is so popular that I really have little expectations for people to immediately upgrade to the latest and greatest thing.

      Most people I know have been slowly amassing a large collection of DVDs mostly because they are inexpensive and there are a TON of titles out there.

      Like I mentioned before in this topic I just can't see Blu-ray discs being as inexpensive and as widely available as DVD. Most people just aren't going to be interested in the small quality upgrade for more money.

  5. Too Soon? by ytsejammer · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Personally, I still think it is too soon. I can understand the usefulness for next-gen gaming machines, but I don't see the average consumer wanting to buy into a new format so soon after upgrading an aging VHS collection to DVD.

    I know this technology is still a ways off before it hits the shelves en masse, but I just can't see it getting a great response.

    In the end, it probably won't even matter which format which companies support. Just like Betamax, Laserdisc, and Minidisc, if the consumer doesn't support it (no matter what the quality increase is) it will fall by the wayside.

    I may be completely wrong, but thankfully, I'm sure you'll tell me if that's true.

  6. I'm with Blu-Ray, as well by Corellon+Larethian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Simply for it's increased storage. 25 GB (Blu-Ray) vs. 15 GB (HD-DVD). The disparity is far too great, and people buy DVD's by the truck load simply for the larger storage space.

    HD-DVD might win out for players. But I'm betting Blu-Ray dominates the personal computer market.

    Which is larger?

  7. Do consumers really want these? by saddino · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As someone who watched the SACD v. DVD-Audio format war with a keen interest (I'm sold on high-def multichannel music) I eventually invested in a player that supported both formats, thinking I couldn't lose. But - to my amazement - I did end up losing, not because consumers perferred one format over the other, but becuase most consumers had no interest in the new formats. The result? A dearth of SACD and DVD-Audio reissues and releases. High def audio seems to be dead.

    The problem was that remixing old music in multichannel is expensive, so many discs we're simply released in stereo. For most consumers, the audible difference (due to the higher sampling rate) didn't seem quite worth the price (for a new player, for a new disc).

    And now here we see a new format war for a high def video. You might think video is different because high def allows for massive content (at DVD quality). But does anyone really believe the studios are going to do this? It's hard to get a consumer to pay a lot of money for just one disc.

    If the studios instead focus on delivering HDTV quality movies, then the superiority of the format (over DVD) will only be apparent to those who own HDTVs...a scenario which mirrors the problems with high def audio.

    I guess my point (and worry) is: just like high def audio, there will be players that support both formats. And just like high def audio, nobody will care except for videophiles and gadget freaks. So in the end, the "format war" doesn't matter.

    IMHO, high def DVD will more likely make its mark as a huge storage medium for PCs and game consoles.

  8. Disney loves scratches by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unlike HD DVD, Blu-ray has "a reduction in the cover layer from 0.6 mm for DVD to 0.1 mm." Of course Disney would approve, as a reduction in the cover layer makes it easier for a scratch to do real damage and makes it harder for scratch repair products such as Skip Dr to work properly, forcing parents to re-buy copies of animated movies that the kids scratched up.

  9. We, the consumers, can put a stop to this by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What if they held a format war, and no one bought anything?

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  10. Easy solution by Tomahawk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hybrid player

    Most likely, 3rd party hybrid players will appear on the market just as soon as either or both formats start being released. Then, the likes of SONY and Toshiba will start to make hybrid players also.

    From an end user perspective, this makes sense. Then, it won't really matter what format your Disney or MGM title is, as it will just play on your player.

    That's the way:
    - multiregion players have gone;
    - DVD writers have gone (I have a DVD+/-R(W) drive, for example).

    To be honest, the end user doesn't really care about which format wins, or which is better, so long as they can watch the movie, or play the game, or listen to the music.

    T.

  11. Re:Slate Has a Much Better Article by un1xl0ser · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not saying that the research behind this article is biased at all, but at a first glance the title is: HD-DVD Must Die Sony's Blu-ray is the better next-generation DVD.

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  12. It's going to be an exciting war.... by Kjella · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The HiDef DVD market is at first going to be dominated by videophiles and collectors. Here I think Blue-Ray has the quality edge. As it approaches "prosumer" levels with HDTV owners, HD-DVD has the price edge. What can Blue-Ray do in that time window?

    Because seriously, I've watched DVDs, and I've watched some HDTV samples (no, hdtv-lol is not HDTV, that's downscaled rips from a HDTV source) and the difference isn't *that* big. It is certainly superior, but VHS->DVD was like Tape->CD, while this is more like CD->SACD.

    Personally, I suspect the players (and thus format) with best support for playing CD/DVDs with similarly compressed video will win. You can make a helluva impressive *cough*legal home*cough* video with 4.7/8.5 GB of MPEG4-video (4.3/8.0 GiB).

    Kjella

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  13. Re:Slate Has a Much Better Article by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The article indicates that Blu-Ray is a far superior standard

    That's not what I've read:

    the only significant difference is in the coating. Blu-ray disks have a coating that's one-sixth the thickness of the outside layer of a DVD or an HD-DVD. Blu-ray's data layers are thus closer to the surface, allowing the laser in a Blu-ray player to read data that's encoded with smaller markings.

    How would this affect durability in the face of scratched discs?

  14. Re:Hilarious by stupidfoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Which seems more likely:

    1. Blu-Ray will win, simply because of the significant difference in storage capacity.

    2. HD-DVD will win, simply because the hardware is easier to manufacture.

    I'm going with #2, especially with those new DVD/HD-DVD discs they have created. Look at it from a manufacturers perspective: with minimal changes to their production lines they have a product that again has a fairly decent margin (at least for a while).

  15. Death Toll For Blu-Ray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Disney backed DivX (disposable DVD format), Sony continues to create formats that no one uses: Beta, MiniDisk, MemoryStick, Atrac3.

    with these two on board, Blu-Ray is almost certainly doomed :( which is too bad because it seemed like the better of the two.

  16. Time - money - waste - format by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    An extended fight over optical formats will only:
    -prevent market adoption for several years
    -cost the content producers money in lost sales
    -cost the hardware manufacturers money in lost sales
    -keep the product off the market for several years

    The whole dvd-r/dvd+r/dvd-ram fight delayed low cost dvd burners for 3 years and home entertainment room dvd recorders for 3 years.

    All lost time and lost money in this process.

    Sony, Phillips, etc. should just pick a format and set licensing fees at some low value like $0.01 per unit.

  17. No hybrid from Sony? by SimReg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Based on Sony's stance with SACD vs. DVD-Audio, I doubt we'll see any hybrid players from Sony. Sony doesn't produce any DVD-A players (to my knowledge). Only when their high end digital cameras started getting some semi-professional usage did they include a CF slot. And only on their high end cameras.

    Sony likes their (propietary) formats.