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Microsoft Releases Toolbar Suite

Philipp Lenssen writes "Microsoft today released the MSN Toolbar Suite Beta. This brings true desktop search to Windows (for those who don't have Google Desktop Search or similar software running already) and also includes features like search term highlighting in web pages, auto-completing of forms, and a pop-up blocker."

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  1. Re:Google toolbar for Firefox by zachtib · · Score: 3, Informative

    There is a toolbar for firefox: check here: http://www.firefoxtoolbar.com/

  2. Re:Google toolbar for Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here's another link: http://googlebar.mozdev.org/

  3. Misc. notes by IO+ERROR · · Score: 5, Informative
    Requires Internet Explorer and Windows 2000 or XP.

    May conflict with other pop-up blockers and cause you to not be able to click on anything at all.

    The toolbar has to be on-screen for pop-up blocking to work.

    Needs administrator privileges to install.

    Includes a plugin to search PDF files.

    Includes desktop search.

    Currently supports U.S. English only. Don't try to install it on a non-U.S. English version of Windows.

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  4. Well this is slashdot by Dominatus · · Score: 4, Informative

    For the last time, Microsoft promised features found in Google Desktop and Spotlight, years ago as part of Longhorn. There are *plenty* of cases where MS steals ideas, but in this case Google and Apple got to the market first with a product MS promised about prior.

    Yeah, I'm aware MS didn't invent the idea, but they certainly didn't steal it from Google or Apple.

  5. Paul Thurrott's review by DavidLeblond · · Score: 5, Informative
    I just checked out Paul Thurrott's review. I love reading his stuff... first he says that Apple copied Spotlight from Microsoft (because Microsoft said that they were gonna improve search before Apple introduce Spotlight), then he shows off MSN Search which looks suspiciously like Spotlight. And if thats not funny enough, he gives us this little gem:

    And then consider that competitors such as Apple and Google tried to preempt Microsoft by announcing similar features, and yet were both unable to deliver final versions before Microsoft simply shipped the MSN Toolbar Suite.


    Thats funny... isn't MSN Search a... beta? So "final version" = "beta"? Explains a lot!
  6. 'desktop search' functionality? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 3, Informative

    I just downloaded and installed this thing. 4.some megs for what appears to be an IE plugin. There doesn't seem to be the option to make the 'search' bar integrate with the taskbar at all (which was what my initial pre-install impression was).

    I will say that I'd half expected for there to be a minimalist appearance. Nay, there's about 10 different buttons on the bar that gets installed in IE, and I was initially pestered with 2 desktop bar-specific nags. Additionally, the damn thing defaults to searching the web, not the desktop.

    So I've been sitting here for about 10 minutes waiting for the thing to build an index. The Google Destop Search tool has about 40Mb of files on this machine, and I honestly don't think I've got much more than (if even) 1Gb of files on it. I've run a search for a couple files within the "My Documents" directory, and nothing turned up. There's no indication that the index is being built, or when it might be done, etc.

    There also doesn't appear to be must customization ability for the actual search tool, either. Just build, or rebuild the index. No "exclude directory" type stuff.

    The additional pop-ups look useful, though, for an IE user. It's all standard fare for a Firefox user, of course. Considering that most people that would likely use such a tool from MS are likely already using Firefox, I'd say chacnes are slim this sees much fanfare.

    Can't say I'm impressed. It's got the same intrusive feel of Clippy, with the nice interface of MSN Search. Not impressed in the least.

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    1. Re:'desktop search' functionality? by g0qi · · Score: 5, Informative

      I can't believe there isn't a proper response to this. Only in Slashdot will people walk right past this silently.

      I just downloaded and installed this thing. 4.some megs for what appears to be an IE plugin. There doesn't seem to be the option to make the 'search' bar integrate with the taskbar at all (which was what my initial pre-install impression was).
      You know it's more than an IE plugin. Did you even attempt to look around? Right-click your taskbar, select toobars and you'll see MSN Deskbar there. It actually integrates very nicely with the OS.

      I will say that I'd half expected for there to be a minimalist appearance. Nay, there's about 10 different buttons on the bar that gets installed in IE, and I was initially pestered with 2 desktop bar-specific nags. Additionally, the damn thing defaults to searching the web, not the desktop.

      What are you smoking? The deskbar defaults to searching the desktop by default, and so does that IE page.

      So I've been sitting here for about 10 minutes waiting for the thing to build an index. The Google Destop Search tool has about 40Mb of files on this machine, and I honestly don't think I've got much more than (if even) 1Gb of files on it. I've run a search for a couple files within the "My Documents" directory, and nothing turned up. There's no indication that the index is being built, or when it might be done, etc.

      Actually I think there's too much indication. First when it starts off it says it's starting. Then when there's too much processor use, it says it's going to wait a while so you can get done what you want to get done. When it's actually indexing, you get a nice blinking maginfying glass. And finally when it's all done, it says it's done with a messenger like popup icon. All through this process, at any time when you hover over that icon, it tells you what the hell it's doing.

      There also doesn't appear to be must customization ability for the actual search tool, either. Just build, or rebuild the index. No "exclude directory" type stuff. Come on man. Right-click that damn thing and select Internet Options...

      Not impressed in the least.
      You have an IQ of a peanut. I don't think they're going to care if you're impressed or not. Who modded you up +4?

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  7. Re:Bundled Soon? by Martin+Blank · · Score: 4, Informative

    Unlikely, as even Microsoft wouldn't consider this a critical update, which is the only thing that AutoUpdate downloads. If they tried that, they'd have thousands of large corporate customers ticked off that this had been dropped onto their systems without their consent.

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  8. Re:Bundled Soon? by slonkak · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, most corporations use an internal SUS server to distribute Windows Updates. Using SUS, the administrator must first approve the critical updates before they get pushed to the clients. That is, unless some assclown configured the SUS server and makes it auto-approve anything...

  9. Re:Microsoft is doomed. by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 3, Informative

    You misunderstand. It became market leader due in part to being a purely reactive organization.

    One might argue that Microsoft cannot innovate to save itself, or you could say that Microsoft fills a huge gap by taking best-of-breed IT concepts and working them into a viable solution for customers.

    Depends on who the spin doctors are.

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  10. Re:MSN toolbar hides and disables the Google toolb by Dr.+Sp0ng · · Score: 3, Informative

    Didn't do that for me, Google toolbar (and Google Desktop) is still there and working fine.

  11. Re:nice job guys by liangzai · · Score: 3, Informative
    File extensions

    File extensions have been used on the Mac since the first Macs were rolled out. It is just that they haven't been mandatory, and furthermore not limited to three characters. Currently, a file's content can be determined by a) extension, b) magic number, and c) resource fork information. Needless to say, there's no evil_knivel.exe.doc problems on the Mac. Furthermore, file extensions is not a Microsoft invention (Microsoft doesn't invent). IIRC CP/M and predecessors used file extensions, and Billy Boy just copied this method of recognizing file content.

    zip files in Finder

    I didn't know this. What's the point? ZIP has limited use on a Mac, since it needs special attention to preserve forks. It is used primarily for raw data, and has so many alternate compression schemes (b2zip, gzip and so on). The Finder is not supposed to do everything.

    Video conferencing

    It is an old feature on the Mac, as is speech recognition, text-to-speech and other technologies.

    Fast user switching

    Right, just that it didn't make sense before Mac OS X, since Mac OS 9 wasn't a multi-user OS.

  12. Re:Bundled Soon? by Trepalium · · Score: 5, Informative
    Microsoft - first microcomputer software company
    I don't know who was 'first', but Microsoft was founded in 1975. Gary Kildall's CP/M dates back to 1973 or 1974. Digital Research Inc., the company that was founded to sell CP/M was also founded in 1975.

    AOL - one of the original online services
    CompuServe predates AOL by quite a bit. CompuServe was founded in 1969. The company ("The Source") that would eventually become AOL was founded in 1978.

    Intel - first microprocessor company
    Sony - first widespread transistor radio company
    Texas Instuments was probably the first to develop both these technologies. The microprocessor situation is fuzzy at best. TI's transistor radio predates Sony's by about three years (and Robert Denk's radio may have predated that by another 6 years). Sony's wasn't even first-to-market. That honor belonged to I.D.E.A's Regency TR-1.

    Frankly, I don't think there's any 'first mover advantage' in these examples at all. On the other hand, there's a very real ability for the dominant companies to use their marketing muscle to 'rewrite' history in their favor. Few people question the 'fact' that Microsoft was the first software company, or that Intel invented the microprocessor, or that AOL was the first online service.

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  13. Re:Bundled Soon? by 1u3hr · · Score: 3, Informative
    in fact it was mainly your knee-jerk reaction and lack of any real information that made me go look these up.

    Sorry, I had an appointment. But I knew most of those, certainly Microsoft (ever heard of CP/M from Digital Research?) and Intel, were in no way the first movers, so that's what jerked my knee.

    The original poster is vindicated.

    Your own post shows that none of the companies, except perhaps Xerox, was the "first mover". So who is vindicated? Changing the qualification to "first popularizer" is a different question altogether.