Possible uses for Power over Ethernet

jsailor writes "Power over Ethernet allows devices to draw power from the Ethernet cable they use for networking. Power is provided by the LAN switch (end-span) or an intermediary device (mid-span). The current spec. is 802.3af and was covered on slashdot before. It provides approximately 13W at the end of a 100 m cable and is commonly used for IP phones, wireless access points, and increasingly security cameras. The technology saves costs associated with running power to the odd locations access points find themselves in and allows IP phones to be moved around with out carrying a power brick. The industry is considering a new standard that would provide up to 39W to a network device. Bizarre uses include electric razors. "

Comments

Re:Gigabit ethernet?

[enigmals1]

Yes you can. The power is running on the same wires as the data. This is roughly the same technology as Broadband Over Power. The power is 60Hz but the data is MHz...or in your case, GHz. Little to no crosstalk.

Lower cost per AP

[ccbutler]

earlier this year I converted our warehouse of 250,000 square feet to 802.11b WiFi using Cisco 1200 series AP's. Our cost per AP was 1900.00 (CDN) using power over ethernet. This cost includes contractors, electricians, cat5e, fiber, and even antennas. Im not here to toot any horns for 802.11b or Cisco or anything... but our cost per AP would have been WAY higher if it weren't for power-over-ethernet technology.

Re:Easy enough,

[the pickle]

You do realise that RF is nonionising radiation, right? And that *ionising* radiation is required to cause the mutations in DNA that lead to cancer, right?

Just checking.

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Re:Seems Kinda Weird / Wired

[rcw-work]

In other words, no transformer brick needed for the device.

Transformers are not used to convert AC to DC. Transformers only convert AC to a different voltage AC. The rectifier portion of the average brick (the part that does convert to DC) is very tiny. Often it's only four diodes and a capacitor.

So basically, if you needed a transformer to power a device from AC, you're just completely screwed if you try to power it from DC, unless it was regulated at the right voltage beforehand. Since we're discussing PoE, that would be a giant no.

Switch-mode power supplies are just as efficient with DC as with AC. They are very small and lightweight, and that's what you'll find in most 802.3af-powered devices. However, if you want to keep discussing alternative forms of local power distribution, those transformers also become very small and lightweight if you change the operating frequency from 50/60Hz to, say, 100kHz.

Re:13W could be dangerous...

[ScrewMaster]

60 Hz. was selected as a national standard because Tesla worked out the numbers and George Westinghouse went along with him, and the rest of the country ended up going along with Westinghouse. Westinghouse was concerned about power transmission and 60 Hz. was selected for efficiency with the generator and transformer technology of the day. Remember Tesla's proficiency with those.

Your professor is a bit confused about the electric chair business: it was Thomas Edison who claimed publicly that Westinghouse's 60 Hz. system was much more dangerous than Edison's own direct current power system. This was strictly a marketing ploy: he and Westinghouse were going head-to-head in an all out corporate war and Edison wanted to win, badly. He had no scientific basis for his claims. In other words, he lied, publicly and repeatedly. He even went so far as to have a major correctional institution that was building a new electric chair facility install Westinghouse generators in order to "prove" how dangerous alternating current could be. The reality is that Edison was way off base: direct current is substantially more risky than alternating: for example, if you grip a pipe charged with 120 VAC, you will get a nice shock but will be able to release your hold. The jolt might cause your heart to fibrillate but most likely you'll survive. Grab that same pipe with 120 VDC and your muscles will lock and you won't be able to let go ... your heart will also stop dead if the current happens to pass through it. A lot of lives were spared over the years because we didn't go with Edison on that one. The other reason to rejoice is that a DC power distribution system would have required power plants plastered all over the place since transformer operation (and hence high-voltage landline transmission) would have been impossible. Today we could probably do it with high-powered DC-AC inverters, but that technology was way beyond Westinghouse and Edison.

The only thing that saves us from instant death the first time we walk across a carpeted room in dry weather is our epidermis. That layer of dead tissue makes an excellent electrical insulator. Otherwise, the first static spark you drew touching a doorknob would stop your heart. Remember, the insides of your body are an ionized, highly-conductive mess: a hundred-odd pounds of adulterated salt water. If you stuck a couple of pins in each index finger, and put those pins across a flashlight battery, you would probably die. Your bloodstream would conduct that tiny current flow directly through your heart. But touch those same terminals with the outer layers of your skin intact: no problem.

And I'm not making this up: if you've ever been in a hospital burn unit, you would see that everything in those rooms is heavily grounded, and extreme precautions are taken against static discharge or any other electrical artifact reaching the patient. It's amazing. I worked in a lab at a major teaching hospital / university for a while, and I noticed that there were these odd metal plates with heavy-duty green leads hanging out of them, sticking out of the walls and floors. I asked, and was told that the lab space was a converted burn unit. People that have had significant areas of their skin burned off are fatally susceptible to even minor electrical discharges.