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Ariane 5 Deploys French Spy Satellite

Rolo Tomasi writes "An Ariane 5 rocket successfully put the French satellite Helios 2A into orbit today. The 4.2 ton spacecraft, which cost about one billion euros, will be used for surveillance by France and other European countries."

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  1. Options standard: by TeleoMan · · Score: 1, Troll

    Includes one (1) white flag permanently affixed to outside of vehicle.

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    1. Re:Options standard: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude. Subtlety.

  2. Bad article by JaxWeb · · Score: 5, Informative

    I didn't think the article was too good. The following two are better:

    Swiss Info

    Reuters

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  3. ....hmmm... by roseblood · · Score: 0, Troll

    A spy satelite? So the French have a greater lead time in their surrender preperations?

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    1. Re:....hmmm... by Alarash · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      French satellites are better than US'. In Afghanistan, US Army used the French satellites for recon. So shut up and be original for once.

  4. Don't show your ignorance by mabu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Quoted from elsewhere but worthy of paraphrasing as a "pre-emptive strike" against the inevitable French-bashing that morons will engage in related to this article:

    It is so unbecoming of a country which proclaims itself as the unchallenged leader of contemporary "civilized nations" and so unthankful of a nation that punctiliously celebrates Thanksgiving every year to forget the critical role that France played in the making of the United States of America.

    For those Americans who are unaware of their history but have seen the painting of Lord Cornwallis surrendering to Gen. George Washington somewhere, sometime or viewed Mel Gibson's box office hit Patriot, both the painted masterpiece and the climax of the film resurrect the defeat and surrender of the British at the fateful Battle of Yorktown which led to the making of the United States of America.

    As it happens, in the months preceding this battle the British under Lord Cornwallis and Gen. Howe with their "death squads" had almost vanquished Gen. Washington and his motley crowd of "patriots" and subdued the two Carolinas and Virginia. Having done that, Lord Cornwallis, camped in the peninsula of Yorktown, and Gen. Howe in New York prepared for the final showdown with Gen. Washington, who was waiting on the banks of Hudson River. Gen. Rochambeau, who was with Gen. Washington, offered to march down to Virginia with his 10,000 French regulars to fight Lord Cornwallis, which they did on foot; a long and hazardous trip, to say the least. Rochambeau also sent an urgent request to the 33-vessel-strong French Fleet in the West Indies under the command of Admiral de Grasse to join the forthcoming battle in Virginia, which he did. Soon the French were blockading the entrance to Chesapeake Bay, preventing the British Fleet sent by Gen. Howe from joining this battle.

    Once he saw that defeat was inevitable, Lord Cornwallis sent one of his generals to the French General, Rochambeau, proposing surrender. Not to Gen. Washington, but to the French, because it was the French who had defeated the British. As expected, Rochambeau declined the offer and asked the British to surrender to Gen. Washington. After much negotiation Lord Cornwallis agreed and sent his sword to Washington and surrendered to the Americans.

    The Americans had finally won their Independence, but with military assistance from France, without which there would not have been a United States of America. The French did not exact any price from America for this assistance, they did it all on the principles of liberty, equality and fraternity. Two centuries later America would repay this historical debt by liberating France from Nazi Germany. In between, there was the French gift to the United States of America of the majestic Statue of Liberty.

    Fifty-seven years later Americans are demanding their pound of flesh from the French with the incumbent George Bush's "You are either with us or against us." Other princes of darkness - and there are many in America -- are crediting the President of France with dozens of qualities and the French with more character traits, all negative.

    Outside the United States there is a universal cry of vive la France! Stand up for the universal principles of liberty, equality and fraternity. These shall prevail, sooner than later.

    1. Re:Don't show your ignorance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      So.. you admit the French gave material support to a terrorist organization? Kill the French!!!

    2. Re:Don't show your ignorance by helix400 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Fifty-seven years later Americans are demanding their pound of flesh from the French with the incumbent George Bush's "You are either with us or against us." Other princes of darkness - and there are many in America -- are crediting the President of France with dozens of qualities and the French with more character traits, all negative.

      So you countered French leader bashing with America leader bashing.

    3. Re:Don't show your ignorance by ralphclark · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well said. Though the spiteful anti-French sentiments mandated by the Party are, I believe, parroted only by the Proles. Most people here are faily well educated, surely, and above such jingoistic nonsense.

    4. Re:Don't show your ignorance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummmm. Why don't you ask Green Peace about the universal cry? Morroco maybe? Viet Nam? Egypt?
      And it was two wars that the US came and baled out France. One the US helped them win the other time the US along with England and Canada handed them back there country after they totaly lost it. Oh and did I mention how many Jew the French just handed over to the Nazis?
      Frankly I do not care if France launches a spy sat. I think spy sats help keep the peace.

    5. Re:Don't show your ignorance by RandomCoil · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I understand your interest in fighting French bashing, but that particular bit of cut and paste isn't all that great. Of primary importance, France's goals in aiding the colonists in the US's War of Independence was based as much on "good will" as was the US's invasion of Iraq. A better summary of the reasons for the intervention is given here http://xenophongroup.com/mcjoynt/allianc2.htm and goes as follows:

      # There was certainly a significant desire for 'revenge' -- to see the British lose in North America, where the largest French real estate had been lost in recent war that ended in 1763.
      # There were broader French 'policy goals'. One goal was to improve French world-wide economic advantages. More broadly framed, the goal was to weaken Britain [France's main rival] and redress 'the balance of power' which had shifted in Britain's favor following the Seven Years' War.
      # France sought to improve the security of her fishing areas off Newfoundland, and the lucrative trading islands in the West Indies. Both were vulnerable to possible conquest by the North American colonists, assisted by the British navy. Separating the colonists from Britain had a very distinct, defensive advantage for the French. Contrary to American perceptions at the time, and carelessly asserted in many history articles, the French foreign minister was not interested in regaining Canada. This had been 'written off' French objectives when they transferred their Louisiana territory to Spain in 1762. The French did anticipate an opportunity to possibly acquire more islands in the West Indies, at the expense of the British.
      # Some sympathy for the American revolt was held by a few of the French intellectual elite [Philosophes] who idealistically favored the principles of democracy, and to a lesser degree of republicanism. Many envisioned a half-measure, with democracy applied under an enlightened monarchy being conceivable. Such feelings were also shared by a small group of English intellectuals. While the words of such intellectuals would often be quoted in association with the Franco-American Alliance, such individuals did not have the power to effect political or military actions.
      # There was a growing population of 'unemployed' military officers looking for employment. The French military reforms led to a reduction of active officer positions -- at least in contrast to the prior war years. A 'streamlining' of the army units was concurrent with material improvements ['force modernization'] being undertaken with infantry muskets, artillery pieces, etc., as well as an expanding naval ship inventory.
      # There were some cautionary arguments against French involvement in a possible American rebellion. The French Controller General Turgot feared the financial strain of another war with England. Louis XVI was also not enthusiastic about supporting a rebellion against a monarch.

      It's also worth noting that "liberty, equality and fraternity" was the motto of the French revolution... in 1789, a few years after the War of Independence. And finally, the US came to the aid of France in WWII _and_ in WWI.

      All that said, as an American, I do appreciate that Statue of Liberty, forcing Cornwallis to surrender to Washington, and the really great deal we got on the Louisiana Purchase. The wine's good too.
    6. Re:Don't show your ignorance by skahshah · · Score: 1

      It is interesting to see so many Americans expose how selfish France was in reality whith its participation in the US's war of independence then explain how the USA helped France in WWII, forgetting how reluctantly they did it (they even thought Roosevelt had purposedly let the Japanese raid Pearl Harbor to drag the US in the war), more than 2 years after the beginning of the war, and only after being themselves attacked, and after Germany had declared war on them.

      Given the long history of "unselfish" American interventions, I have some doubts about their help in WWI.

    7. Re:Don't show your ignorance by dvdeug · · Score: 1

      The French did not exact any price from America for this assistance, they did it all on the principles of liberty, equality and fraternity.

      The French did it to exact payment from Britian for the French-Indian war and various other disputes over the years. The principles of liberty, equality, and fraternity were held by the opponents of the rulers of France who cut off the ruler's heads a few years later.

      Outside the United States there is a universal cry of vive la France! Stand up for the universal principles of liberty, equality and fraternity.

      You mean the people who armed the cruel dictator Hussein? France was the third largest seller of weapons to Iraq that enabled it to attack Iranians, Kurds and Kwaitis. (After Russian and China; the US, who gets blamed for arming Hussein, is quite a way's down the list. And the fact that Hussein was a cruel dictator is a fact, and is independent of how you feel about the war in Iraq.)

      I'm also quite sure that the Algerians are crying "Viva la France!" How about the rest of France's colonial empire?

      It's easy to make the issues black and white, but that's absurd. It only encourages the pro-America chauvanists to start ranting about how America is completely evil and France is great.

    8. Re:Don't show your ignorance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "biggest hippocrits"
      Fuck. That's a pretty bad misspelling there. A big hippo, huh? Do you know it's spelled HYPOCRITE?

    9. Re:Don't show your ignorance by TheKidWho · · Score: 1

      Ohh yeah, the military officers at Pearl Harbor were just waiting for the Japense to come and bomb them. Yeah they just wanted their fellow soldiers to die.

      Get a clue! Thats like saying GWB purposely let 9/11 happen.

    10. Re:Don't show your ignorance by TheKidWho · · Score: 1

      What, you didnt know?

      Language evolves

      Hippocrits is the "in" right now!

    11. Re:Don't show your ignorance by RandomCoil · · Score: 1

      I make no claim that the US's actions were any more or less self-serving than those of France. I was simply pointing out that WWI was another time when American and French interests coincided and resulted in the protection of the French homeland.

      Your comments regarding Roosevelt and Pearl Harbor are exceedingly controversial and have not been proven.

    12. Re:Don't show your ignorance by Alarash · · Score: 1

      And the US helped *the Europe* (not just the France, mind you) out of pure generosity? It's been said that they refused to engage the Nazi before Pearl Harbor, which is true, but the fact that they were among the only country to have had their lands uninvaded allowed them to become the strongest economy in the world at that time - with the Marshall's Plan. And more important, if the US didn't come to Europe, Nazi would have come to them later on. Not to mention, what would they have looked like if they just watched the whole planet burn without doing anything? So thank you for helping us, but don't try to sell me the bullshit that it was a sacrifice you were not compelled to do anyway.

    13. Re:Don't show your ignorance by lakin · · Score: 1

      And more important, if the US didn't come to Europe, Nazi would have come to them later on.

      Im not so sure that is true. While the Americans played a major part in defeating the Nazis, the Soviets too were making a major push through Europe. So if the Americans had not helped, they would not have had to face Nazis later on, but a massive Soviet Europe.

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    14. Re:Don't show your ignorance by skahshah · · Score: 1

      "Your comments regarding Roosevelt and Pearl Harbor are exceedingly controversial and have not been proven.

      Never said it was true. Just that there were people to think so. IIRC, there even was an investigation, and yes, it couldn't prove anything wrong, which is enough for me.

    15. Re:Don't show your ignorance by skahshah · · Score: 1

      Exactly. It's a crazy idea, but there was people to think so, as there is people now to think so about 9/11. And I don't need to get a clue for acknowledging their existence.

    16. Re:Don't show your ignorance by skahshah · · Score: 1

      "Apparently they don't need UN authority to invade African countries of their choice and none of the leftists say anything."

      I'm curious to know what you're talking about?

    17. Re:Don't show your ignorance by Eevee · · Score: 1

      Conservative version: I think the Ivory Coast is the country in question.

      Liberal version: I think the Ivory Coast is the country in question.

    18. Re:Don't show your ignorance by Bastard+of+Subhumani · · Score: 0
      Yeah they just wanted their fellow soldiers to die.
      Huh? You mean the soldiers with blue & white uniforms? On ships?
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    19. Re:Don't show your ignorance by Bastard+of+Subhumani · · Score: 0

      No blood for chocolate!

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    20. Re:Don't show your ignorance by skahshah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Conservative version: uninformed drivel from Free Republic, a site known to be a reliable, fair and balanced source of news, especially about France.

      Liberal version: could eventually be more critical of France, but at least cares about the facts and their chronology.

    21. Re:Don't show your ignorance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The French acted, as do all nations, in what they perceived as their own self-interest. The colonists were fighting the enemy of France, England.

      To think that the French acted in some form of sloganistic idealism is truly ignorant.

    22. Re:Don't show your ignorance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recall learning about the US arming the Nazis, supplying them through a particularly nasty terrorist group that has been known to conduct raids on first world terroritory for much of the 20th century... seems to me that pretty much EVERYBODY has something to be ashamed of. I know my own country has abused others in it's short existance.

      By the way, I notice a "Oh, we sold weapons too, but we aren't evil in the way the French were, because they sold MORE." That's an interesting statement... I'm sure that'll exonerate you in the eyes of the world.

    23. Re:Don't show your ignorance by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 1
      Not at all, there is indeed some evidence that some US diplomats^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hspies knew what was going to happen, but surely not the scope, and probably not the exact date and time.

      While it is definitely untrue that Roosevelt purposedly let the Japanese raid Pearl Harbor, it is also untrue that it was a complete surprise.

      Welcome to the real world. The Iraqi invasion of Kuwait wasn't a complete surprise either, nor was Argentina's invasion of the Falklands, and those are just a couple of cases that spring to mind.

    24. Re:Don't show your ignorance by Xybot · · Score: 1

      Not only that but two French Agents were caught blowing up the Greenpeace ship "Rainbow Warrior" in New Zealand, resulting in the death of a Norwegian foreign National. Don't worry though because these two French Terrorists were summarily sentenced to relax in New Caledonia for several years, or until one of them became pregnant forcing them both to return to France.

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    25. Re:Don't show your ignorance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for that history lesson. For many right-wingers, history starts with the election of W Bush; what a bunch! Vive la France, is what I say.

    26. Re:Don't show your ignorance by JJ · · Score: 1

      You are showing your ignorance. While the American Revolution could not have succeeded without French intervention, the allies of the French were hardly a bunch of buffoons as you portray them. Rochambeau was far from the French best officer. To credit him with the victory at Yorktown is laughable. De Grasse's fleet's intervention was essential, but the British fleet he defeated was not the main British squadron in the Americas. Howe certainly did not have Washington 'almost vanquished'. Cornwallis's campaign in the Carolina's and Virginia had been too costly and achieved virtually nothing strategicly. His forces were at Yorktown to be evacuated.
      As for the current round of "Vive la France!" perhaps you should ask for your $300. Saadam Hussein poured $20 billion into France in a campaign to buy French popular opinion. That's more than $300 per French citizen, so in the spirit of equality and fraternity perhaps you should a share from your nearest French citizen.

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    27. Re:Don't show your ignorance by JJ · · Score: 1

      Whomever moderated this to flamebait should be prepared to be bashed by the meta-moderaters. Just because someone disagrees with you or posts an unpopular opinion does not make a post flamebait.

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  5. Better yet - with tech detail by tqft · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Jonathon's space report (Next issue)
    http:planet4589.org/space/jsr/latest.html

    "together with four Essaim
    (`Swarm') French experimental electronic intelligence satellites."

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  6. Sorry but France was still a Monarchy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's main interest was going against the Red Coats and maintaining it's Nouvelle France.

    France had it's revolution in 1789 and this is when trouble started for them as the idea of getting rid of monarchy had made the rest of Europe an ennemy of France, most of the anti French sayings heard in the UK (which you probably inherited) come from those days. Napoleon made things even worse as he had abolished the class system in both France and the territories conquered (eg: a big chunk of modern Germany) this is why he had local support in many palces and got the monarchs of Europe united against him... until of course he himself proclaimed to be an emperor.

    France went into a restauration period where "at last" monarchy was reinstaured and the prolls put back where they bellonged (in the gutter) and the republic would be instaured much later when everyone else in Europe would have one.

    So in other words, the case of using France as a defender of the republic in 1776 is blow out of the water. But the rest of it's history is quite interesting.

    It's constitution has one interesting article that is very similar to something you must know.

    Article 1: Every man is born equal in rights, rights that cannot be taken away..yada yada yada..

    See it says "born equal in rights" not "just born equal". That, much later on, would have to have a serious impact on some issues on race for instance. Napoleon had a black officer, a metisse wife and that officer is no one less than Alexandre Dumas's father... you know, the writer.

    It's just too bad that all those things ended. The pendulum swung the other way in the century to come and you ended up with things like the Dreyfuss affair where it was clear that err.. not "everyone is born equal" in right apparently.

    All this to prove that it's the people that make the country, not the dates, or the scriptures. France ot the US can both show marvels or horrors, if it's people want it.

  7. Re:Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With your childish rant of the day out of the way, you can now go back to your day job of selling Freedom Fries.

  8. Russia won the war - US helped by gnuman99 · · Score: 1
    So true. If Hitler did not invade the Soviet Union, he would have won the war. 7 out of 8 German soldiers that died in WWII died in the campaign against the Soviets. Britan was not invaded just because Hitler wanted to take our Russia.

    Oh, and the Soviets had 50% of ALL the causulties in the war. Something like 20-25+ million Russians people died fighting Nazis. By the time US got involved, the war already turned against Hilter in Russia, it was just a mater of time.

    It might be interresting to think how would the Russians do if Stalin was not in control of Russia, but Trotzky was (as Lenin wanted in his wil - Lenin said that Stalin was too brutal and paranoid to govern)

    PS. Japan would still be defeated. As soon as they attached the US, the game was over for them. They did not have the natural or economic resources to beat the US.

    1. Re:Russia won the war - US helped by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 1
      Hmm, I'm not sure that is true either. Hitler only invated Russia when he did becuase he thought the Western front was just a matter of time and he was bored fighting there. That was a bad misjudgement, but if, for example, he had won the battle of Britain and invaded England, freeing up a whole theatre of troops, then surely it would have been just a matter of time before the Soviets fell.

      The Soviets won mostly because they were prepared to sacrifice astronomical numbers of people. A unified Europe under Hitler could have done the same if necessary.

      Japan attacked the USA because they misjudged, and only expected a limited response. If Germany had won Britain, then the remaining British troops in exile in South-East Asia + the Australians and other commonwealth forces would not have been enough to prevent the Japanese from taking Australia. Plenty of resources there (including as much uranium as you would ever need), but it would have taken some time to develop.

      And don't forget the German navy. Not terribly useful in a land battle against the Soviets. If the German navy was free to support Japan against the USA, would have changed the balance quite considerably.

      Something I've always wanted to know though, how long would Hitler have gone before he declared war on Japan himself? I find it hard to believe he would have settled for peaceful coexistence.

  9. Re:Hmmm... by CodeWanker · · Score: 1

    Awww... Thanks, Precious!

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  10. Of course they'll watch Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >>...not enought time watching the training camps and madrassas that produce the Islamic terrorists that are now pounding continental Europe

    Of course they'll watch the madrassas... it's called "knowing your customer." Those French interdiction jets (built & sold *after* implementation of the UN-imposed "oil-for-food" programme) buried in the Iraq desert didn't just fly there on their own. And most of the RPG being fired at US military are Russian, a large number having recent-production serial numbers/manuf. dates. etc. etc. etc.

    France will be an Islamic state in less than 50 years if France's current Muslim immigration/population numbers are to be believed. Who do they think will rescue them, then? c'est la vie!

    1. Re:Of course they'll watch Europe! by Ahruman · · Score: 1
      France will be an Islamic state in less than 50 years if France's current Muslim immigration/population numbers are to be believed.
      So your hypothesis is that the only muslims who emigrate are rabid islamist extremists?
    2. Re:Of course they'll watch Europe! by CodeWanker · · Score: 1

      Nope, but only migrant muslims will fly jetliners into buildings to kill thousands of innocent men, women, and children. The ones who stay at home in Riyadh will just donate money to brainwash the migrants into these kinds of things.

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  11. Anybody know the specs? Spectral/Spatial res? by HSI_Guy · · Score: 1

    I know its a spy satellite but there has to be someone or some group that can speculate on the capabilities of the sensor(s) onboard the satellite. I'd be curious to know the spectral range and resolution along with the spatial resolution.

    1. Re:Anybody know the specs? Spectral/Spatial res? by mattj452 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      According to this http://www.home.alcatel.com/vpr/vpr.nsf/DateKey/28 072004_1uk/ the manufacturer of the HiRes camera is Alcatel. It seems that they have similar equipment on spot 5 (http://www.spotimage.fr/html/_167_238_.php?group= 0104/). However, It might be a if you want 1m satellite images!) Sorry for the formatting...

  12. French by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am not against to critize the french however the past is the past. If it wasn't for us, France would be a part of Germany. The plain and basic truth is the US and Russia are responsible for the space technology the world uses. History is to learn mistakes, not to relive and or live by past occurances.