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jkauzlar writes "Popular mathematics books don't come along often and when they do, they're only occasionally worth the read. John Derbyshire, a controversy-stirring political propagandist by day, and mathematician-enthusiast by night, has composed what may turn to out to be one of the classics of mathematical literature for the lay-person." Read on for the rest of jkauzlar's review. Prime Obsession: Bernhard Riemann and the Greatest Unsolved Problem in Mathematics author John Derbyshire pages 422 publisher Plume rating 9/10 reviewer jkauzlar ISBN 0452285259 summary History of the attempt to prove the Riemann Hypothesis

Bernhard Riemann came to the University of Goettingen in 1846 at the age of 19, originally to study theology. The University, however, was home to Carl Friedrich Gauss, "the greatest mathematician of his age and possibly of any age," and the impressionable young Riemann, succumbing to the privilege of Gauss's presence and following his already blossoming interest in mathematics, refocused his studies on the area in which he would soon attain distinct immortality. As early as 1851 he was impressing even Gauss with the results of his doctoral dissertation and in 1859 was appointed a corresponding member of the Berlin Academy. To this honor, Riemann responded with his most famous paper, entitled "On the number of prime numbers less than a given quantity," containing therein what became known as the Riemann Hypothesis.

At the heart of the RH is the Zeta function which, in its basic form, looks like this: Z(s)=1 + 1/2^s + 1/3^s + 1/4^s + ... and which, through some simple algebraic manipulation as demonstrated by the mathematically gifted journalist Derbyshire, can be given in the form (1 - 2^-s)^-1 * (1 - 3^-s)^-1 * (1 - 5^-s)^-1 * (1 - 7^-s)^-1 * ... And it is in this second form which Derbyshire calls "The Golden Key" where the non-mathematician gets the first glimpse of the Zeta function's relationship with prime numbers.

But where this Golden Key appears as this "novel's" turning point--its central conflict-- it is not until Prime Obsession's climax when the Key is at last turned and the Zeta function's true relationship to the prime counting function pi(x)--the number of primes less than a given x--is at last made clear. Along the way, from the introduction of the Zeta function to the final explanation of its relevance to prime numbers (the turning of the Key), Derbyshire enlightens us with clear, mostly English language descriptions of the mathematics involved, as well as plentiful anecdotes that give readers a sense of the life and work of the major figures in the history surrounding the RH from Euler, Gauss and Dedekind in the late 18th century through Riemann's 1859 paper, and from 1859 onward to recent advancements in the '80s and '90s.

The Riemann Hypothesis states that "all nontrivial zeros of the Zeta function have real part one-half." Understanding the statement of the hypothesis is Derbyshire's first mission for the reader. In short, most functions with a dependent variable, say f(x)=x^2-2x+1, have a value for which if you replace x with this value, the function returns zero. In the example given, it is at the value x=1 where f(x)=0. The Zeta function has an infinite number of these zeroes and an infinite number of these is "non-trivial." The non-trivial zeroes come from complex number values. Riemann's guess, his hypothesis, is that the real part of each of these non-trivial zeroes is equal to one-half. The imaginary part can be anything.

Derbyshire explains all of the mathematics in very readable language. It's unlikely that anyone who did well in high school mathematics will not be able to follow Derbyshire's mathematics (and it's unlikely that those who didn't do well will pick up a 400-page book on this topic). The Zeta function is explored from a number of angles--numerically, graphically, algebraically, statistically, and there's even a link between the non-trivial zeroes of the Zeta function and quantum physics! By a larger margin, however, Prime Obsession's intrigue lies in Derbyshire's expositions on Riemann, Hilbert, Turing, Gauss, et al, as well as those modern mathematicians he's interviewed personally. The line between the mathematical half of the book and the historical is clearly defined; the odd-numbered chapters are devoted to the former, the even to the latter.

Those fans and foes of Derbyshire's most public line of work as a journalist/editorial writer for National Review will be comforted to know all political polemics have been set aside. John Derbyshire gives a virtuoso performance as an informed journalist and maintains his stance as a personable and careful guide through a sometimes difficult terrain. Anyone with some interest in the topic will find it hard to put down Derbyshire's book once begun. If we are lucky (hint, hint, JD) perhaps Derbyshire's next book will cover the newly-proven Poincare Conjecture ...

You can purchase Prime Obsession: Bernhard Riemann and the Greatest Unsolved Problem in Mathematics from bn.com. Slashdot welcomes readers' book reviews -- to see your own review here, carefully read the book review guidelines, then visit the submission page.

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  1. This is long overdue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who isn't obsessed with the leader of the Autobots, Optimus Prime?

    1. Re:This is long overdue by JackBurtonLives · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't think MegaTron was too obsessed with Optimus Prime. If he was, maybe he would have won a battle or two. After all a gun should stop a truck

  2. lay person? by dAzED1 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...may turn to out to be one of the classics of mathematical literature for the lay-person

    Ummm...what would its peers be? Just how many "classic" math books does the lay-person have now?

    Could it be that the lay-person wouldn't be interested in any book about math, no matter how well written?

    I dunnnoooo...almost sounds completely probable.

    1. Re:lay person? by Shimmer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What a sad, sad assumption: That lay-people have no interest in math.

      Martin Gardner's series of Mathematical Games books certainly qualifies as classic.

      I would put some of Douglas Hofstadter's books in there too. Certainly _Godel, Escher, Bach_ is highly (though not entirely) mathematical.

      Richard Smullyan also has a number of very good math/puzzle books.

      There are others, too, but you get the idea. I don't think you need to be professional mathematician to enjoy any of these.

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    2. Re:lay person? by RazorJ_2000 · · Score: 2, Funny

      It should become a classic, alongside with this book: Everyday Math For Dummies http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesTitle/produ ctCd-1568842481.html

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    3. Re:lay person? by Mr.+Flibble · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I consider myself a lay person. I always did poory in mathematics because I did not care about it. The reason I did not care, is that throughout high school no one could show me a use for it. Granted, certain function such as compounded interest held me with a grand fascination - but the rest bored me to no end.

      I am always looking for "laypersons" math books, because after reading Richard Feynmans (non-math) works, I want to understand his Physics Lectures.

      As a helpful AC http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131989&cid=110 23946 pointed out to me in a post, "Calculus Made Easy" has been helping immensely.

      I fully admit that I don't know calc, and that in this regard I am a layperson. I however, don't wish to remain a layperson forever.

      So who is this book for?

      I would say it is for someone like me.

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    4. Re:lay person? by Pacifix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you're being cruel. Lots of laypersons have intellectual curiosity that may not have been fed either because they were too poor to go on to higher education, there were family problems, whatever. Not everyone who ends up without an education is dumb and uninterested. Lots of people are interested in space travel, chemistry, astronomy - why not math? I have a lady at work who is always asking me questions about some math thing or another she heard about and I've been looking for a good book like this to give her. Although I think I'll start with "The Myster of the Aleph" on Kantor and Infinity - that was a rocking read!

    5. Re:lay person? by thomas.galvin · · Score: 2, Funny

      If we continue to marginalize "dorks" who read math books, then we're going to be in big trouble down the road.

      I for one welcome our new, math-knowing, Finnish overloards!

      And our math-knowing Korean overloards.

      And our math-knowing... eh, forget it. At least we beat Portugal.

    6. Re:lay person? by Shimmer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I just checked and the first five pages of GEB are about Bach. Nothing complex.

      One of the great things about GEB is that it completely obliterates the standard humanities vs. sciences distinction.

      I find the anti-science attitude particularly irritating because I've heard it a lot from otherwise intelligent "Liberal Arts" people.

      Tell me, do you think the average lay person could understand the first five pages of _Moby Dick_, or a Shakespeare play, or an Emily Dickinson poem? I think not -- yet I don't hear anyone dissuading them from trying.

      What's the practical benefit of, say, reading Jane Austen in high school? None. Yet the main complaint you hear is that "I don't want to learn algebra because I'll never use it in my real life".

      Why are "average" people discourgaged from learning about science and math?

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    7. Re:lay person? by |/|/||| · · Score: 2, Funny

      Mr. Tortise says that the average lay person could not understand the first five pages of Godel, Escher, Bach if their life depended on it.

      Achilles says, 'I think you mean "couldn't be bothered to" rather than "could not." In my experience most people are guilty of lack or interest rather than actual stupidity.'

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    8. Re:lay person? by fermion · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The average person owns few, if any, books. In the US one can often expect the home to have a bible, and perhaps a couple other books, but most people have read very little. They read what they were forced to read in school, the sports section, and perhaps a few magazines written at the 5th grade level. And lest people get pissed about me dissing the sport section, let me state here that we owe a lot to sport section, as it is often written at above a 5th grade level and is likely responsible for the minimum level of literacy of the common man.

      Now, most educated people will point to the number of books they have read and own. They will expect others to stand in awe at their collection of books and the factoids they can pull up from their vast reading. They are intelligent because intelligent people read books. And there may be some truth in this. There is certainly a relationship between the number of books a child has read and some measures of intelligence.

      But then we start discussing certain types of book and the intelligentsia consesus on books starts to fall apart. Oh, I would never read those kind of books. Those books are only for the fanatic, or only for those who read books for the vilest of pleasure. Or those books contain nothing but dry facts, and are not suitable for those us who read to learn about truth and beauty. At some point, it seems, people who fancy themselves intelligent have to defend thier chosen status by denigrating the activities in which they do not wish to take part. After all, intelligent people treasure a wide variety of experiences, and know they should take part in any experience that will make us more intelligent. Therefore, if we choose not to take part in an experience, it must be because that experience has no intellectual basis. To wit, math books are of no interest to the average person, and therefore the fact that I could never even begin to comprehend one has nothing to do with my status as a smart person.

      And so it is that the act of getting children to read is doomed to failure because everyone is more concerned about making sure their preferred reading material is considered the best and only path to intellectual bliss, while all others are deemed as junk or porn or pulp.

      Or, to put more bluntly, if I hear one more person tell my kids that math is hard and no one really understands it, I will likely go on a mad rage.

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    9. Re:lay person? by Mr.+Flibble · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hey buddy - got six quarters for a dollar?
      Consider yourself "shown".


      I am not speaking of general math - rather I am speaking of the esoteric stuff such as "new math" stuff that has no "purpose" other than to be a neat trick.

      I was deeply impressed by Richard Feynmans chapter on his reviewing high school math books. He was livid that a number of things being taught were useless. He wanted the books to teach the students not only what they were learning, but why. One example has him in an uproar because there was a question about taking the average tempurature of a number of stars. This made Feynman angry because there is no reason to get an average star tempurature for a number of stars, it is just not something that you do. Feynman called it "a trick to get the students to add".

      Furthermore, he was furious at a physics problem in one book, that had wrong answers, and in fact, Feynman actually performed the experiment listed in the book, and found out the "observed" results were wrong. The author did not even take the time to DO the experiment listed.

      Again, this made him furious because he felt that teaching students math in a deceptive manner would never give them a feeling as to where the math can take you in fields in the sciences. I agree.

      So, I don't want to learn fluff. I was at a disadvantage because I was just told "learn this" and in answer to the question of "why?" I was only given "so you can pass the exams."

      In high school I deeply wanted the answers to some questions in Physics, that were available with mathematics, but I was not shown these, and I developed an unfortunate disgust with mathematics because of this.

      So many people here on slashdot can take me to task for being bad at math - and I know I am. I don't know if you would have been so interested in it either if it was drilled into you in a dull manner, and a feeling that it lacked a purpose.

      Am I learning math now? Yes, but then I understand much more about the why, the how, and the history now than I did then. I don't know about the rest of you but I detest rote learning. So take me to task on my math skills if you wish (or my typing :) ) but I can see enough in myself that I want to change, and I am making the effort. Not all people can say the same of themselves.

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  3. Douglas Adams by MalaclypseTheYounger · · Score: 5, Funny

    Superior mathematician.

    The answer? 42.

    The question? What is 6 times 9.

    The part he didn't tell you is that the question/answer machine was devised by a group of aliens that had 13 fingers. They wouldn't count in base 10, they would count in base 13, naturally.

    6 x 9 does in fact equal 42. In base 13.

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    1. Re:Douglas Adams by nebaz · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually the question is
      "What do you get when you multiply six by nine?"

      People have argued that since Arthur Dent got this by picking letters out of his homemade scrabble set at random, that this is impossbile, as there are not 4 Y's in a standard Scrabble set.

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    2. Re:Douglas Adams by BaldGhoti · · Score: 5, Informative

      Douglas Adams went on record saying that that was a pure coincidence. "I may be a pretty sad person, but I don't make jokes in base 13."

      Sorry to burst the bubble.

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  4. Offtopic...rant... by nebaz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why is it, that if you have studied math that people get you these books for Christmas, etc. People say, "Wow, he's into math, I'm sure he'd like that", when books like this are written for the lay person, as a fun introduction to the subject. People don't get Literature majors "Shakespeare for Dummies".

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    1. Re:Offtopic...rant... by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People get those gifts because they try. They don't understand math at all, but they know that you do "something mathy".

      I get the same thing all the time. Last year, my mother-in-law got me a put-it-together kinetic flashlight kit for kids. (I'm an Electrical Engineer.) She tried.

      This book might be an interesting read. That's probably what they thought.

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    2. Re:Offtopic...rant... by Ev0lution · · Score: 5, Insightful
      People don't get Literature majors "Shakespeare for Dummies".

      The problem is that a lack mathematical understanding verging on innumeracy is socially acceptable, cool even. Imagine boasting that you couldn't "do reading", and found books aimed at ten-year-olds too much of a challenge. If that was true, then you wouldn't admit it - but go out to eat with half a dozen friends or workmates, and when it comes to the bill people will cheerfully admit that they're rubbish at Maths and can't divide the total by six. I had one colleague who was impressed that I could divide £45 between seven people...

      Now, if you've ever shown any ability to do any Maths, however basic, from their point of view you're forever "good at Maths". They don't know this book from Landau & Lifshitz, but you're "good at Maths" so you'll like it. Won't you?

    3. Re:Offtopic...rant... by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because it's Christmas, and there is all this pressure to buy SOMETHING for you, even if they have no farging idea what you would like.. they just have to buy something... anything.

      PRESSURE PRESSURE PRESSURE! BUY BUY BUY! STUFF STUFF STUFF!

      Jesus who?

  5. Propaganda by TrollBridge · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One man's propaganda is another man's editorial opinion.

    Why must we use such slanted terms to describe the views of people we disagree with?

    perhaps I just answered my own question.

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    1. Re:Propaganda by LibertyLovesCompany · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's the same reason that anytime you express a conservative opinion you're modded Troll.

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    2. Re:Propaganda by jmorris42 · · Score: 2, Funny

      > One man's propaganda is another man's editorial opinion.

      Kinda sad actually. If some frothing deaniac at the NYT or somewhere had written a totally non-political book the editors wouldn't have even found it worth mentioning the 'day' job of the author.

      But then what do I know... I read Derbyshire's NRO columns so I'm irredeemably wicked in the eyes of the /. editors.

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  6. If you are interested in solving math puzzles by suso · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You might check out my current MD5hash Challenge. Some people have told me that it is impossible to solve, some have said that mathematically it is solveable.

    Not quite related to primes, but close and can certainly create an obsession. Also, look behind the scenes for something simpler to solve.

    1. Re:If you are interested in solving math puzzles by julesh · · Score: 2

      You might check out my current MD5hash Challenge. Some people have told me that it is impossible to solve, some have said that mathematically it is solveable.

      They're both right. It might be possible to solve, but will certainly require some developments in cryptography that have yet to be made.

      Failing that, a brute force search of all 128 bit inputs would do the job. I wouldn't expect it to finish quickly though.

      All in all, I'd wager that your money's safe for at least the next ten years.

    2. Re:If you are interested in solving math puzzles by Kjella · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Failing that, a brute force search of all 128 bit inputs would do the job. I wouldn't expect it to finish quickly though.

      Actually, it is possible that the problem is unsolvable. You have 2^160 (not 128) inputs, 2^160 outputs. If there is a strict one-to-one mapping, it might not hold true for any pair. Personally, I think I'd be willing to give $50 for a proof that a solution exists at all. A lot more for a proof that a solution didn't exist.

      To demonstrate, I'll use a silly 2 bit "hash" function.

      00->01
      00->10
      10->11
      11->00

      There is no pair a,b so that hash(a) == b && a == hash(b). There's a strict one-to-one map. The same could be true of MD5 sums.

      Kjella

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  7. Evens and odds in GEB by kzinti · · Score: 2, Informative

    The line between the mathematical half of the book and the historical is clearly defined; the odd-numbered chapters are devoted to the former, the even to the latter.

    It's been a long time since I read Douglas Hofstadter's "Godel, Escher, Bach", but didn't it use the same kind of formula, alternating between dialogs and discussion chapters? I really loved that book. I've heard a lot of criticism of it from mathematicians and musicians, but that noise always sounded like so much professional nitpicking to me.

  8. ISBN not prime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ISBN 0452285259 = 3 * 1009 * 149417

    The author must be sad.

  9. Examples of Math books for lay people by thegameiam · · Score: 5, Informative

    Try Mathematics for the Million by Hogben - it's fantastic, and the most coherent Calculus explanation I've ever encountered.

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    1. Re:Examples of Math books for lay people by photon317 · · Score: 2, Insightful


      I second this - Mathematics for the Million is truly a classic that belongs in this category that the story author referred to. It should be handed out to every child at a reasonable age, so that they can use it as an extra-curricular guide as they learn their way through the horrors of school-taught math.

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    2. Re:Examples of Math books for lay people by thegameiam · · Score: 2, Informative

      For that matter, I forgot Flatland by Albee and Godel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid by Hofstadter...

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  10. Motivation by Juiblex · · Score: 2, Informative

    Let serve as motivation the fact that anyone who can actually proof (but not disproof) the Riemann Hipothesis will won a prize of US$ 1E6 (i.e, US$ 1000000.00)!

    1. Re:Motivation by multiplexo · · Score: 2, Funny
      Let serve as motivation the fact that anyone who can actually proof (but not disproof) the Riemann Hipothesis will won a prize of US$ 1E6 (i.e, US$ 1000000.00)!

      Plus chicks will dig you. Yessiree, I'm telling you. If you prove the Riemann Hyphothesis you'll be getting into some prime poontang. If you know what I mean.

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  11. Re:What is bad about him? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    *gasp* He's a conservative! Run for the hills!

    It's entirely people's prerogative to mix politics and pleasure, but my God, what a silly prerogative to exercise.

  12. Don't come along often? by JackBuckley · · Score: 5, Informative
    It's a minor point, but I have to take issue with the poster's statement that popular math books don't come along often. How about:

    Mathematics And Sex (2004)

    Pi: A Biography of the World's Most Mysterious Number (2004)

    Chance: A Guide to Gambling, Love, the Stock Market and Just About Everything Else (2004)

    Entanglement: The Unlikely Story of How Scientists, Mathematicians, and Philosphers Proved Einstein's Spookiest Theory (2003)

    The Mathematical Century : The 30 Greatest Problems of the Last 100 Years (2003)

    The Golden Ratio : The Story of PHI, the World's Most Astonishing Number (2003)

    When Least Is Best : How Mathematicians Discovered Many Clever Ways to Make Things as Small (or as Large) as Possible (2003)

    The Honors Class: Hilbert's Problems and Their Solvers (2001)

    An Imaginary Tale (1998)

    e: The Story of a Number (1998)

    Just to pick some recent examples (i.e. not including the masterpieces of Martin Gardner and other recreational mathematicians in the 1960s and 70s, and apologies if I left off your favorite). I would agree, however, that good pop-math books are a great deal more rare.

    1. Re:Don't come along often? by littlem · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not to forget N. Bourbaki, "Elements de Mathematique".

  13. Review: Review: Prime Obsession by daVinci1980 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ... f(x)=x^2-2x+1... x=1 where f(x)=0

    It's called white space. Look into it. Humans parse on it much faster then they parse on operators.
    ... f(x) = x^2 - 2x + 1... x = 1 where f(x) = 0
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  14. Majored in math, away from it for a year by HeaththeGreat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    After working at Initech for a year and not using any of my math skills, this was a welcome dip in the math kiddie pool.

    I would probably need to do a few laps before I could go playing around near the high-dive again or anything. I don't think this speaks to my grasp of the subject or my intelligence, but to my complete abandonment of study for a long period.

    This wouldn't be a book to get someone that works in a heavily mathematical field, but its a great choice for the coder in your live that likes math but has to write boring code all day to pay the bills.

    1. Re:Majored in math, away from it for a year by operagost · · Score: 2, Funny

      Initech, eh? So did you ever get those TPS reports worked out?

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    2. Re:Majored in math, away from it for a year by GuyMannDude · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This wouldn't be a book to get someone that works in a heavily mathematical field...

      Why not? I have a Ph.D. in math from one of the top scientific institutions in the world and I think the book sounds interesting. Quoting from the above review:

      By a larger margin, however, Prime Obsession's intrigue lies in Derbyshire's expositions on Riemann, Hilbert, Turing, Gauss, et al, as well as those modern mathematicians he's interviewed personally. The line between the mathematical half of the book and the historical is clearly defined; the odd-numbered chapters are devoted to the former, the even to the latter.

      This book is not a "dip in the math kiddie pool" like you suggest; it's an examination of the personalities behind the equations. I know quite a bit of math but very little about the people who developed the theories and the trials they had to go through. I suspect that most people who work in "heavily mathematical field" are in the same boat. And these stories can be very interesting. Ever read the account (or see the PBS special) about Andrew Wiles's proof of Fermat's Last Theorem? Fascinating stuff!

      I think this idea that popular math books appeal only to those who know something about math is unfortunate. It prevent the public at large from understanding and appreciating mathematics. Carl Sagan did wonders for astronomy with his Cosmos series (although the isn't too tough to do because, as my astronomer friend Nicole says, "astronomy is a 'sexy' science") but we don't have any real champion for other fields of science. I think books like this should appeal to a large audience: mathematicians and the math-phobic alike.

      GMD

  15. My favorite. by standards · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My favorite book on math is The Mathematical Tourist by Ivars Peterson.

    It's very readable, and has chapters on interesting stuff like knot theory, cellular automata and primes.

    I highly recommend it. It isn't going to turn anyone into a math professor, but it is very interesting reading.

  16. Re:What is bad about him? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Could be worse -- he might've been *gasp* a liberal!

    Besides, in the field of mathematics, being conservative is not a bad thing as long as the Earth is still round. ;)

  17. Of Course by Icephreak1 · · Score: 2, Interesting


    I've heard a lot of criticism of [Hofstadter's "Godel, Escher and Bach"] from mathematicians and musicians..

    Of course mathematicians and musicians will criticize the book. It challenges the very logical foundations upon which their theories are based. Perhaps the most dogmatic disciplines outside of Christian fundamentalism are the sciences. It's the age old case of man believing his logic is impenetrable, where in reality it amounts to nothing more than the finger pointing to the moon. The sciences may have theory-this and theory-that, but they will never in an infinite amount of lifetimes be able to run the full course of reality with their tools. And that's a fact that mathematics itself asserts.

    I once ran into an old friend of mine I knew back in middle school. He has a twin brother that, over ten years since he left highschool is still in university plugging away at some mathematics doctorate. I silently asked myself. What are his aims, his purpose? To solve the universe? It was clear he was always a brilliant student; I'm sure his I.Q. is off the chart, but ambitious mathematicians have to learn to let go. All their combined knowledge amounts to one drop in the Pacific ocean of reality.

    If you take a liking to esoterics and esoteric knowledge, you will notice there's a smooth transition between scientists and esoterics; that is, there is the complete scientist who deems it worthless to search for truth in the unseen and the non-constant -- that the only universe worth pursuing is the visible and measurable universe. Then you have the transition scientists (Godel, Heisenberg) who through experiments of their own come to the realization that the sciences are not adequately equipped to be able to completely ascertain truth and that there must be more -- another form of reasoning perhaps outside the realm of postulation and thought where paradox becomes perfectly logical, but they may at the same time reserve making any definite statement about one or the other, effectively taking up the agnostic position.

    Finally you have the esoteric, who acknowledges science as a method for ascertaining some degree of truth, though a limited portion of it, but through experience is assured that complete truth is to be found outside the dualistic disciplines of science and philosophy. Zen masters, enlightened sufis or Christian mystics might fall into that category. Due to their highly honed awareness, they are able to acertain more in a ten minute period about the laws of life than ten scientists could over the course of a hundred years. These, quite rightfully are higher order human beings. I imagine it's the same sort of higher order, perhaps to a somewhat lesser degree, that allows the idiot savant to blast through hundreds of years of perpetual calendars or calculate ridiculously large numbers in their heads almost instantaneously. Savants appear to have a firm, instinctual understanding of computational causality. They may very well be solving our mathematics from some other conscious plane the rest of humanity haven't yet achieved, a plane that allows them to blaze logical trails in parallel and from a figurative bird's eye view, through our "world." The same thing goes for enlightened men. Though we may plug along attempting to understand the unverse with 4-bit effectiveness, they do it from a conscious vantage point that may exceed a figurative 1024-bits or more. They simply know.

    - IP

  18. Why I believe this book to be of interest. by stromthurman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know very few mathematicians and math students who aren't familiar with the Riemann Hypothesis (largely due to the million dollar prize associated with its proof), so a book exclusively on such a topic probably wouldn't interest too many people. What makes this book interesting, at least to me, is the Math History covered in it. In particular, the author goes into great depth into the personality and character of each of the principle figures in this book: the anecdote regarding Hilbert's torn pants, Gauss's (perhaps justified) arrogance, and Riemann's quiet nature. All of these aspects of the book add a lot more depth to the people behind this problem, and I find that to be far more valuable, as a mathematician, than yet another essay on the Riemann Hypothesis.

    I agree with the reviewer's sentiment that the book is well written, and it is very enjoyable. The author writes in a very audience-centric fashion, even going as far to discuss the "scaffolding" of the book itself (all of the "hard math" stuff is found in odd chapters, the author had debated putting this information in only the "prime" chapters, but then said "there is such a thing as being too cute.")

    Anywho, if you have a math friend you need to buy a gift for, definitely consider this book.

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  19. John Derbyshire by JeffWhitledge · · Score: 2, Informative

    Those interested in his other writings should check out John Derbyshire's homepage.

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  20. Trolls are conservative? by AtariAmarok · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Trolls are conservative? That must explain why the cave troll from Lord of the Rings looked a lot like Alexander Haig.

    I'm in charge in Moria!!

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  21. MOD PARENT UP! by GuyMannDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People get those gifts because they try. They don't understand math at all, but they know that you do "something mathy".

    Exactly right. They are trying to get you something that they think you might like even though they don't know very much about math. Instead of the grandparent getting all hot under the collar that his family and friends dare insult his grant intellect by purchasing him a "Math for Dummies" book (as he seems to think this historical work is), he should feel gratified to know that he family cares enough about him to actually put forth some effort to getting something that attempts to match his interests. There are lots of people who simply buy generic gifts for family like socks or shit like that. Isn't this book a lot better than a gift like that?

    Reading the grandparents rant, I was reminded of an article in The Onion awhile back about some film snob getting all upset because his family -- damn their incompetance! -- dared buy him the widescreen edition of one of the Matrix sequels when he actually wanted the letterboxed edition (opportunity for karma whoring here if someone can link to it). For chrissake, your family and friends are trying their goddamned best and you get your panties in a bunch over details? That's so incredibly childlike, I can hardly believe this above "rant". Christmas isn't really about getting exactly what you want -- at least once you're an adult it's not. Christmas is just an opportunity to get together with loved ones and exchange gifts as a token of affection. It doesn't have to be the "perfect gift"; as long as it's somewhere in the ballpark you should feel happy that your family is at least aware of your interests.

    GMD

  22. Re:What is bad about him? by fenix+down · · Score: 3, Informative

    He had a little bitchy slap-fight with the student body of the University of Michigan a while ago that resulted in this pretty good guide though his profound love of the word "buggery". Seriously, he writes articles where he'll use it like 16 times in a single paragraph.

  23. In his own words by JeffWhitledge · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why not cite his own explaination of his homophobia?

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  24. FREE! by wviperw · · Score: 2, Informative

    Can't believe nobody has mentioned this yet (maybe they have?), but this book (I think it is the same book) can be read for free online at the National Academies Press
    I've started it and it is very good so far. Haven't had time to get past the first few chapters unfortunately.

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