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NYT Reviews Digital Picture Frames

prostoalex writes "New York Times reviews the digital picture frames available commercially: 'Yes, with the ultimate digital camera accessory: the digital picture frame, a flat-panel screen designed exclusively for showing digital photos. A digital frame can do something no ordinary frame can do: change what's in it at the touch of a button, or even treat you to a slide show. Think of it as a screen saver that doesn't tie up your computer.' For those who would rather build the devices themselves - both Linux Toys and Wi-Fi Toys contain the chapters on creating Linux-based digital picture frames out of old laptops. Channel 9 on Microsoft Developer Network also has a step-by-step walk-through of building a Windows-based digital picture frame."

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  1. WHY? by Lotharjade · · Score: 5, Funny

    WHy would I want that if I cant even afford the 21" Flat Screen I so desire? I like my familys photos stuffed away where they can't annoy me.

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  2. Dead market beaten a bit more by brejc8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have seen this idea for ages and seen many implementations (inc. my own) but I still dont understand why people bother. Last thing I need is something stitting on my desk distracting me. Its not as if paper pictures are that inconvenient and sure when you may want to remind your self of what your wife looks like before returing to the wrong home (again) but you have a great big 19 inch screen to look at her with.

    1. Re:Dead market beaten a bit more by Frizzle+Fry · · Score: 2, Insightful

      His point was that this doesn't offer much over normal pictures. Sure, you can pay for a subscription so that a grandmother can get updated pictures in her frame. But she'd probably like it better if you just mailed her some photographs. Or gave them to her, you know, in person.

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  3. Family fights by bugbeak · · Score: 2, Funny

    And if in a fit of rage you get in a fight with your spouse...

  4. Building your own... by martinde · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Building one seems like a neat idea, but using a laptop seems like such overkill to me, in terms of processing power and power requirements.

    Is there some solution like the EtherNut that can also drive a flat panel display? And where to get a decent deal on a flat panel? If I'm builing a picture frame, bigger is better! I guess displays up to 1280x1024 have dropped in price a fair amount, but what about more resolution than that?

    Some ThinkPads have got some nice resolution in a small format screen - anyone have a good source for those? (I know, I know, probably ebay!) I suppose in the end the cheapest solution is going to be a whole laptop from ebay... Perhaps diskless and underclocked to reduce the power consumption and heat generation. Anyone tried that?

    1. Re:Building your own... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Laptop hard drives don't consume much, but I think you can save some power by booting from a flash chip in a PCMCIA adaptor. Good laptops have clock reduction modes to save power. The 125dpi screens are only a couple years old, so that's still spending money. The nicer 150ppi resolution laptop screans have only been available for maybe six months.

      Desktop flat panels seem to consume quite a lot more power, maybe more than an entire laptop.

  5. Can I install Linux on it? by mahesh_gharat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Such devices look very interesting the day they launch but get oudated in six months or so; since there will devices in market with higher resolution at lower price in next six months.
    So unless and untill there is a very unique idea behind it like iPod, it's not worth the money you spend.

    Now my question is, Can I install Linux on it?

    1. Re:Can I install Linux on it? by DoraLives · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Such devices look very interesting the day they launch but get oudated in six months or so

      Concur.

      But a reasonable extrapolation of "outdated" every six months takes us to some pretty interesting country in fairly short order.

      Consider, if you will, a roll of wallpaper with a ribbon cable coming off of one edge. Or perhaps small antennae along the back side, every meter or so. Trimmable, ten feet in width, coming in rolls up into the hundreds of meters in length, they soon colonize interior and exterior wallspace everywhere you look.

      They work just as well for folks interested in proportion and harmony, as they do for large corporations and folks with an agenda.

      We will love our new vistas and will wonder how people got along without them for so long.

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  6. DYI digital picture frames by igrp · · Score: 3, Informative
    I've been toying with the idea of building a digital picture frame myself for some time now. We had a /. article on that very subject earlier this year (it appears the 'Popular Science' article referenced in the story is now gone, but it was all very similar to this step-by-step guide).

    Basically, you take an old discarded laptop and build a picture frame around it.

    I'm pretty sure I can build one for less than $160. Plus, it sounds like a fun project. OTOH, I really like the idea of having a seperate remote like the AV Tech picture frame and similar models have. And having a WiFi picture frame would be neat, I guess (remind me to adjust the firewall rules ;).

  7. It is a sad day... by Paiway · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... when picture frames have their own IP adresses.

    1. Re:It is a sad day... by MmmmAqua · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you kidding me? This is a step in the right direction - I'm looking forward to the day when my *underwear* have an IP address (maybe their own subnet - I have a lot of underwear).

      And, c'mon... don't tell me you wouldn't chuckle, running tcpdump on your underwear... That's not just me, is it? Oh, no.

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  8. portable DVD = picture frame by rakerman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Another option is to get a cheapo portable DVD, in Canada RadioShack has a Nexxtech for C$149. Burn your photos to disc and away you go.

    I have a table comparing various digital picture frames.

  9. Windows based digital frames by Peter+Cooper · · Score: 4, Informative

    There have been some public trials of these already. Very good, if you like blue. :-)

  10. I want one, but... by CrackedButter · · Score: 5, Interesting


    As an amature photographer, I wouldn't mind having one, I would love to keep seeing my work as I pass the digital frame doing my business. At the moment they are in a folder on an external drive just sitting there. No point using them for my desktop either because i'm always doing work.
    On another level however, I wonder if they could be used in waiting rooms, it would certainly add variety in those mind numbing places.
    However, I'd also want as little interaction with the device as possible, just upload the photos, configure how I would want them displayed and leave it. Making it the same 2 steps as with a normal picture frame (nailing it in and then setting up the picture to display). Anything else like useless software is a waste and takes everything away from the point of decorating your room. Just have a simple UI to upload the photos and be done with it, wireless would be nice for the picture uploads and a neat tidy power cable coming out from the wall behind it.

    1. Re:I want one, but... by Feanturi · · Score: 4, Funny

      wireless would be nice for the picture uploads

      Wireless eh? I can see it now, the next big geek sport will be drive-by pr0ning. You'll be having a nice dinner with the family, who are admiring the majestic mountain view you snapped on your last holiday, when suddenly, two very different 'mountains' appear, accompanied by the screech of car tires outside. :)

  11. There's no substitute for... by ControlFreal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... cubic inches (of centimeters), as they say in the automobile industry. Well, in terms of showing photos to family and friends, there's no substitute for resolution.

    Not until we have a standard 13x18 cm (European size, don't know what the US equivalent is) picture frame that's capable of displaying 3 or 4 megapixels (i.e. the entire photo without downsizing), that isn't too heavy or power-consumption happy and that accepts standard memory cards, this market will bloom.

    Come to think of it; where are our 4 megapixel monitors? Why do we still have only 75 or 100 DPI effectively on our current monitors?

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    1. Re:There's no substitute for... by Linknoid · · Score: 2, Informative
      Come to think of it; where are our 4 megapixel monitors?

      Well, the the Apple 30" Cinema display comes in at 4096000 pixels at optimal resolution. Is that good enough for you? A bit pricy at $3200, but if you really need the resolution...

    2. Re:There's no substitute for... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It does matter, to me. I can see that detail without a problem, without sitting "too close". Likewise, aside from DRM, until printed characters on the screen is as smooth and crisp as a laser print from 1995, I don't think ebooks will matter. Text shouldn't be visibly jaggy. Antialiasing techniques, even Cleartype, is only a poor supstitute to increasint the points per inch to 200 or 300.

  12. Mini-ITX Picture Frame by superid · · Score: 3, Informative
    I built one for my wife last year (mothers day). I was lucky enough to get a very very cheap 17" LCD. I used a Mini-ITX board and a used laptop hard drive . It's running a very trimmed down version of fedora with no X. I use fbv to view the pictures, a wireless usb to load them and a simple php program to manage how the photos are displayed (yes, it's running apache)

    Wife factor is very high, especially because I had it professionally framed, which cost more than the motherboard!

    1. Re:Mini-ITX Picture Frame by superid · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Fair enough

      The front (image is an underwater photo of an octopus)
      The back guts held together with industrial velcro

    2. Re:Mini-ITX Picture Frame by superid · · Score: 3, Informative
      The bare motherboard has no power supply. I bought a motherboard/power supply "bundle" from min-box that includes the ac/dc converter which provides +12V in a single round plug. The bundle includes a small daughter card that plugs into the white molex (?) power connector on the mobo and provides all the other voltages necessary.

      The LCD also came with it's own ac/dc transformer that also supplied +12V. Having two power cords was a pain and unacceptable, so I cut and spliced them together. That is why you only see one cord.

  13. been there done that by TheoMurpse · · Score: 3, Funny

    i built one myself using an old Dell Latitude xpi 133, a perl script, and redhat 5.0 at the time...the laptop wasn't doing anything else, so i just did it as a project...i had the perl script generate an html file with javascript that would cycle through all pictures in a given set of directories every minute or two

    turned out pretty good except for the UGLY LAPTOP SITTING ON THE TABLE IN THE DORM!

  14. Digital picture frames are such a waste by blacklite001 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have always considered digital picture frames to be the most colossal waste of time, money, and hardware that has ever been conceived by the technology industry.

    Hey, look, a beautiful high-resolution large LCD monitor. Let's tack it to a wall and use it for displaying still images, despite the fact that still images display perfectly well on paper and have infinitely better contrast that way. Not to mention colour gamut issues that are generally solved quite well with photo-printing inks relative to how they are solved on LCDs.

    I have an idea. If you have an urge to buy one of these, give me five hundred dollars instead, and give you a frame, and whenever you want a picture call me, and I will print the fucking thing for you and manually (yes, I know, scary word) put it into the physical frame.

    1. Re:Digital picture frames are such a waste by Gwenna · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A print is great if you have only a few pictures. My husband and I took 3000 pictures on our last trip. We would like to share some of these with our parents, who either don't have a fast internet connection, or don't use their computer much (if ever). A digital picture frame was a great solution; we crammed a bunch of pictures onto a spare memory card, sent it back East, and that was it, pictures shared.

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  15. More power! by OwlWhacker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think it's a great idea, but there's just one issue that comes to my mind here:

    All we seem to be doing these days is making things require electricity, when they never used to.

    I'm not an environmental freak or anything, but it's shocking to see how much we're becoming dependent on electricity; even razors that don't currently require batteries will probably become battery operated, like this .

    See how many wind-up watches there are these days; at the rate technology is progressing, your average picture frame could soon be battery powered.

    1. Re:More power! by multipartmixed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Out of curiosity, which do you think takes more -- the power to drive an LCD screen for 10 years, or the power to chop down a tree, process it into paper, create developing/fixing fluid, and run the photomat machine?

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    2. Re:More power! by iBod · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're forgetting the power needed to manufacture the LCD screen (and obtain and process all the raw materials that go to make it).

  16. Tablet PC by MtlDty · · Score: 2, Informative

    Tablet PCs are ideal for this project. Its already compacted to just a screen, plus it has the added bonus of pen enabled screen. You could use it as a digital noteboard if you so desired.

    The pricetag may be a little high, but you end up with a device that is still useable as a laptop/tablet PC. When you want to use it you can just unhang it and go.

    1. Re:Tablet PC by juliancoccia · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, I have actually written about it a few weeks ago. Tablet PCs might be expensive but in my case I've had an old one stuck in a drawer for ages. It has now turned into something useful. Here is the article: http://julian.coccia.com/article-71.html

  17. It's already installed on one of the frames... by blorg · · Score: 2, Informative

    FTFA: The Wallflower incorporates a laptop-like screen (1024 by 768 pixels), the Linux operating system and a 40-gigabyte hard drive (which is, unfortunately, not completely silent).

  18. E Ink by bbc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Where are the e-ink picture frames?

  19. Ceiva hacking? by tempmpi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At $110 the ceiva seems to be bargain, if you wouldn't need that expensive subscription. If you could emulate the ceiva server or exchange the Ceiva firmware to something more useful it could be a really nice device.

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  20. Update: Someone already did it by tempmpi · · Score: 2, Informative

    Someone already figured out how to get linux running on it and made a page about it on sourceforge

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