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VoIP Predictions for 2005

phoneboy writes "There was much progress in the VoIP world in 2004, though not as much as Voxilla predicted exactly one year ago. Will 2005 accelerate the pace of change? We at Voxilla think so. In our One Look Back, Two Steps Forward article, we take a peek back at our predicitions we made in 2004 and don the swami cap as we look boldly into the near future of the phone."

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  1. Telephony over TCP/IP over phone line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Simplicity at its best!

  2. Re:Progress by Will_Malverson · · Score: 3, Insightful
    There was progress made in the availability but not a lot made in sound quality. My friend has a VOIP phone and when he calls my landline it sounds like he's calling from the bottom of a bucket. Keeps dropping out too.

    And ironically enough, that's where VoIP could shine -- imagine transmitting your voice with 128kbps MP3 encoding. It might not matter quite so much for personal use, but it would kick ass for speaker-phone teleconferencing.
  3. Mirror by FinchWorld · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just incase... ...Here

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  4. Re:Progress by Morlark · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But VOIP can be used for really useful things too. One of my mates has set things up so that when you call his house you can press a button to connect to a specific extension, without the need for installing a half dozen phones in his house. He's rather ambitiously considering the possibility of connecting it to a Teamspeak server, just for pure silliness value. VOIP is very useful, IMHO.

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  5. Personal Experience: by grasshoppa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, while it may not mean much in a grand scheme of things, I can tell you that I have plans of setting up 3 offices with a VoIP system, due mainly to the cost of the competitors.

    I will be using asterisk on linux. While not as feature rich as some of the other companies' offerings, it does have the benefit of being cheaper.

    By an order of magnatude.

    So, my prediction is this: If voice companies try to treat this as another cash cow, OSS alternatives ( like asterisk ) will boom, in both features and use.

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  6. One prediction that I hope doesn't come true by ShatteredDream · · Score: 4, Insightful

    VoIP providers will be expected to conform to CALEA. The federal government will try to get VoIP providers to make their software fully wiretapable which will do one of two things probably. It'll either put open source developers using encryption at odds with federal policy or require that we all expose ourselves online.

    You know it's sad when your father, someone who spent 27 years in the U.S military and federal law enforcement looks at you dead seriously and says that generally speaking the biggest lie you'll hear from the federal government is: "we're from the government, we're hear to help you." I'll never forget my dad reading about Carnivore and realizing that his reaction to it was probably a good example of why he retired from federal law enforcement under him. How we cheered when Carnivore proved to be a failure.

    1. Re:One prediction that I hope doesn't come true by lordkuri · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How does CALEA factor in when the connection doesn't touch the POTS system though?

      Seriously, if they can require *any* VOIP to be tappable, where does it stop? Email? web traffic? IM?

    2. Re:One prediction that I hope doesn't come true by user32.ExitWindowsEx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      no, they meant that you can't legally be tapped under CALEA if you dial an IP...but if you dial a PSTN number, you're now under CALEA's jurisdiction.

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  7. Re:Progress by jrcamp · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why? As I recall, MP3, ogg vorbis, and the like aren't meant for compressing voice data. They're much better at dealing with music.

    There are codecs specifically meant for speech, such as http://www.speex.org/.

  8. Re:Progress by Albanach · · Score: 2, Interesting
    That sounds like a microphone / soundcard / bandwidth or latency problem.

    Almsot everyone I call ahs remarked on the quality of the call, not the lack. You don't provide any info but your friend really wants to try locally recording his/her voice to see if the quality there is good. If it's not get a USB headset. If the quality is good they need to look at their net connection and software.

  9. Re:Hot Jewish Girls! by klipsch_gmx · · Score: 2, Funny

    If only I'd bothered to create an account earlier, I might have been able to use mod point on this.

    Instead, you'll have to wait and boost your karma through mirrordot karma-whoring. Oh well.

  10. I'm happy... by SuperDuG · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I use Vonage here at home. The $15 plan seems to be more than enough (seeing as I'm obviously not popular enough to justify the unlimited plan). Granted the quality can be rather harsh sometimes, but thats because I'm using most of my bandwidth for something else.

    If you give vonage 128kpbs both directions it will be the quality of a cell phone. Not absolutely perfect, but well within the range of acceptable. I've spent hours at a time on the phone with vonage and let me tell you, its leaps and bounds above the good old days of dialpad.com.

    So will VoIP be a big player in `05, you bet your ass it will. Considering mainly that landline telephones cost so much more and offer very little justification for it. With VoIP and cell phones, I predict a death for standard copper land lines by at least 2015.

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    1. Re:I'm happy... by JPriest · · Score: 3, Informative

      Vonage offers 30, 50, and 90Kbits/sec. I use the 50 Kbps setting and I don't notice much difference over my land line. I have to say that I am also pretty happy with their service. My phone bill was $58/mo with no long distance, I save $43/mo with vonage, that alone covers the cost of my cable modem.

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  11. Turnkey opportunity by timothy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Having seen smart people struggle to get Asterisk working (cool a system as it is!), I imagine there would be quite a brisk market for a pre-configured, low-power box running asterisk ready for the user to plug in some custom messages, and / or rely on existing generic ones. That is, something truly plug-and-play, providing your have at least one POTS line to which it can be connected.

    Such a system needn't be *cheap* exactly in order to be quite a bit less expensive than typical PBXes, which are usually overkill for small businesses, as well as for any but the most elaborate homes. (Should be doable for a few hundred dollars, I'd guess.)

    Or am I just missing that someone is selling such a beast already?

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    1. Re:Turnkey opportunity by JPriest · · Score: 5, Informative
      Perhaps not exactly the pre-packages solution you are looking for, but you may want to check out Asterisk Management Portal, the OSS non commercial version of Voxbox (with screenshots) and Flash Operator Panel, it runs on AMP and gives a realtime look at call activity through the PBX.

      I believe Voxbox, from a software point, does pretty much what you are looking for, now if you can just find someone to package it with small hardware platform for a decent price...

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  12. Bad for Network Traffic by dotslashdot · · Score: 2, Funny

    9-1-1 dilemma--what if there is an emergency & someone needs to use VOIP to call for help? Are we going to create "emergency" packets with sirens so all of the other packets will pull over? Does this mean that network traffic will get worse because all the packets will be on the phone? This sounds like a phony answer to a question packet with problems.

    1. Re:Bad for Network Traffic by flithm · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why wouldn't you just make a regular VoIP call to 911? Why would an emergency call need to have its packets classified any differently than any other phone call?

      Here in Canada Primus is already offering VoIP service with 911 available in all areas.

      Also, the VoIP hardware devices themselves perform QoS a both ends to ensure that the rest of your network traffic doesn't get in the way. Yes IPv6 has the ability to allow different priority of packets, as well as different modes such as isochronous (which will be useful for media streaming). But seriously, it's not really needed. As long as the hardware does QoS, the packets will just get routed along the way, and as long as your (and the servers) connections are fast enough... 911 is certainly no dillemma with VoIP.

  13. Love to jump for joy, but.... by mjh49746 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    ....if I can't even get broadband in my neck of the woods and have to contend with dial-up + an expensive bill from Verizon every month, I simply can't be thrilled about VoIP if I can't even get it. Typical, us rural folk getting left out again.

    Maybe I might wireless broadband this year? Not likely since I'm not line-of-sight with the _only_ wireless broadband tower and that's only 8 miles away from me.

    /me jealous of the world, and plotting my revenge.

    1. Re:Love to jump for joy, but.... by fuzzy12345 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Typical, us rural folk getting left out again.

      Got a piano tied to your ass? Move to the city or accept that for you, rural living is the right choice, with all the trade-offs entailed.

      I grew up rural, moved to the city, never looked back. Sitting in the country whining about how I couldn't get a good cup of cappucino -- and implying that the government ought to fix things so that I could -- didn't cross my mind.

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  14. My company recommending remote emp switch to VoIP by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 2, Informative

    My consulting group works out of our home offices and we have our broadband/business line paid for by corp. Previously for long distance we were issued MCI phone cards which added up to quite a bill since most of our clients are all over North America. I was the first in the group to switch to Vonage and after seeing the potential savings VoIP has become standard practice in our group.

    There have been some embarrassing moments with dropped calls in the middle of a conference call, but they have been few and far between. My only gripe with Vonage is the lousy router I was issued (Motorola VT1005V) which can crash if it is connected to a hub/switch with too many connections. Solved the problem by getting a good main router (Netopia R9100) and putting the Vonage router behind that with port forwarding.

  15. Re:Progress by wfberg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why? As I recall, MP3, ogg vorbis, and the like aren't meant for compressing voice data. They're much better at dealing with music.

    There are codecs specifically meant for speech, such as http://www.speex.org/.


    Speex specializes in low bandwidth voice.

    If you have 128kbps to throw around, speex is overkill. MP3 may have been designed to compress music especially well, but it's held up quite well as an all-round codec. (Though there might not be much masking noises - like loud beats that obscure other sounds - in speech, the spectral range is quite limited, and MP3 picks up on that.)

    And who says VOIP is for voice only? It's not uncommon for me to want to let a friend hear some music that's playing on mtv or my computer. With speech-optimized codecs, it comes out crap on the other end. Even on-hold music sounds mostly like silence and some blips on a cellphone. In fact, I've contemplated using the GSM codec to identify the speech part of music, so I can use it to produce "karaoke"/instrumental versions of music..

    I wonder if there's a software upgrade that enables telephone companies to use 64/56kbps ogg (though obviously mono) codecs instead of G.711/G.723.

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  16. Vonage prices have been dropping... by PornMaster · · Score: 4, Informative

    I signed up with Vonage a bit under a year ago. When I did, it was $34.99/mo for unlimited US&Can calling. Twice since then, they've dropped it $5/mo. I don't know if it's a matter of their costs dropping with economies of scale or to compete with the cable companies rolling out their own, but I must say that I love the reduction in cost without any reduction in wonderful service.

  17. Predictions by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting
    • Spam moves to VoIP Press 1 for a Rolex, 2 for Vioxx...
    • Homeland Security and the FBI get involved. We'll hear from the wiretapping people again.
    • The cable guys try to take over. Talk for an hour, get a free movie.
    • VoIP over 3G Technically stupid, but likely.
    • Power over Ethernet meets VoIP Phones stay up, until the UPS dies.
    • Ringtones for VoIP phones Music for the office.
    • First VoIP viruses Coming soon to a phone near you.
    1. Re:Predictions by igjeff · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >VoIP over 3G Technically stupid, but likely.

      Only in the implementations that you have specifically mentioned. The general idea is not technically stupid.

      The idea being, make "cell phones" just do data transfer...likely even IP specifically. And then voice calls are carried as VoIP calls over that data connection.

      There are already moves in some areas in this direction in technology. The local jurisdiction of police in my area is rolling out a new radio system do to the city/county merger and the merging of the police required a new radio system. The radio system is technically a pure data system. Voice "radio" communications on this system are carried as H.323 calls over the data connection that the radios provide. There are all kinds of benefits for this, which will be left as an exercise for the reader...but there's no good reason that commercial wireless providers couldn't move in the same direction...the technologies are basically the same, just the commercial providers would have to scale it up much larger than a police force would.

      Jeff

    2. Re:Predictions by Laebshade · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Power over Ethernet meets VoIP Phones stay up, until the UPS dies.
      Stop there a second. It's been done.
      • All models offer straightforward user customization capabilities to meet changing needs
      • Cisco IP Phones 7971G-GE and 7970G support IEEE 802.3af PoE
      • Cisco IP Phones 7970G, 7960G, 7940G, 7910G, 7910G + SW, 7912G, 7905G and 7902G can accept Cisco pre-standard Power over Ethernet (PoE) from a card integrated with a Catalyst switch or a Catalyst in-line power patch panel
      • Cisco IP Phone 7971G-GE includes two 10/100/1000BaseT switch interfaces to ensure quality of service (QoS)
      • Cisco IP Phones 7970G, 7960G, 7940G, 7910G + SW, and 7912G include two-port 10/100BaseT switch interfaces to ensure quality of service (QoS)
      • Cisco Wireless IP Phone 7920 delivers up to six extensions, wireline voice quality, small form factor, standard and extended Li-ion battery options, menu driven graphical user interface, and inter-campus secure-seamless roaming
      • Cisco IP Phone 7902G, is a cost-effective, single-line, entry-level IP phone addressing the voice communications needs of a lobby, laboratory, manufacturing floor, or hallway--or other areas where only basic calling capability is required
      We have the Cisco IP Phones 7940 series here at work. They're supposed to stay up a while from our UPS (but they don't, UPS might be faulty). Last time our power went out we were able to use our phones for 15 minutes.
    3. Re:Predictions by Big_Al_B · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Not to be a spoiler, but:

      • Homeland Security and the FBI get involved. We'll hear from the wiretapping people again.

      CALEA has been a consideration for VoIP service providers (like the one I work for) for several years already.
      • Power over Ethernet meets VoIP Phones stay up, until the UPS dies.
      • Ringtones for VoIP phones Music for the office.

      And my office has used PoE switches for our VoIP phones (which have over 40 ringtones, some 38 of which are mightly annoying) for several years.
  18. The Car The Phone The VoIP-Router/Repeater by jeanicinq · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I predict an option for the regular Cellular Phone with VoIP capability to transmit to you nearby vehicle with a VoIP to Cellular Network gateway. That way the Phone on hand doesn't use as much energy to transmit and doesn't have the fear to scramble nearby brains with radio electromagnetic signals. Car to Car networks woulds only increase the likelyhood of this prediction.

  19. I predict..... by JPriest · · Score: 2, Insightful
    2005 will be the year that people understand you don't need 802.11 to use a cordless phone with VoIP. With most VoIP adapters is a standard RJ-11 connector, just get a normal multi-handset cordless phone.

    I also predict that business class phones will become more popular in the home with features like xfer, speaker, conference calling etc.

    Video phones will pick up slightly by the end of the year, but for the most part they will still be too expensive for general consumer use. I think cell-phone style hands free kits will be more popular than video phones in the short term.

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  20. now all we need are by Festering+Leper · · Score: 2, Insightful

    voip phones that look, *sound* and feel like regular phones.

    ...come to think of it, why do we have cord heatsets for (regular) cord phones and cordless headsets for cordless phones?

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  21. re:..I'm happy... well, I'm not by zogger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let me know when you and your rich urban tech buddies take the cash being offered for wireless connectivity that is sitting begging out here in the hinterlands for decent broadband with no copper involved. Been hearing about it for years, ain't seeing it yet. The areas of the nation that HAVE broadband and wireless got it now,overlapped and competetive, the rest-no one cares about it, and it's millions of people. We get copper pair dialup and that's it, so I don't see it going away like you do. The options are satellite based broadband, very expensive hardware, very expensive by the month with limited usefullness, or dialup.

    Heard slashdot story rumors of 802 whatever blah blah blah and sky-fi and wi-fi and wimax and wi-turbo and blimp delivered and meshed with your peers and 2G and 2.5 g and 3G and G this and that and quantum teleportation implantable wearable supercomputer games and chat videophones and flying cars and such impressive market speak noise like that, but no real action except in a few places. Partly, I think anyway, because it's changing so fast, who really wants to invest in expensive gear and renting tower space or building towers and everything like that when two months later there's another "new shiny industry standard" and technique that "looks better"? The short term profits based VC loot is going to the same old top 100 or 200 major urban areas and short distance suburban leakage and that's about it. I mean, we have a cellphone and the local company loses our subscriber name every month. I have to literally go through and help them find out that yes in fact we have authorised service we signed up for a long time ago and here please take the money and they fail it. And this is an alleged "big player" verizon. I asked them about cell based data service,and get a blank stare at the customer service desk, they have *no clue*. I say "internet" and they don't get it. I've checked with T mobile and speakeasy and the others in the area, bottom line is if you can get basic talk on a plain vanilla cellphone you are lucky. You ain't getting any broadband, wired or wireless, no one is interested in it. And I am only an hour or so outside Atlanta, this isn't like it's some place in the middle of the amazon or anything.

    So, just not seeing any "high tech" replacing plain old copper telephone wires all over real soon, not every place it ain't. But I'll keep reading the stories about it, same as I did the popular mechanics stories in the 50s.

  22. Skype will come to Gameboy DS by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Skype will come to Nintendo DS, 10,000,000 little kids will get it.

    Their parents will be forced to get it to maintain communications.

    The telico's will fall and everything will be nice :P