Slashdot Mirror


Ham Radio Served as Main Link to Disaster Area

SonicSpike writes "A University of Central Florida ham radio operator K4VUD (and founder of their film program) was caught in Port Blair during the earthquake and following tsunami! He and a team of other ham radio operators arrived in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands to setup the region's first ham station 2 weeks prior to the disaster. Once they realized what happened they immediately began transmitting for 20 straight hours using car batteries as a power source. Most cellular and land-line communication was down. His team became the main link to the rest of the world from the region."

36 of 380 comments (clear)

  1. That's life by superpulpsicle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Opportunity knocks on people's door in the most bizarre way. Yesterday they are just some university radio folks, today they are globally recognized.

    1. Re:That's life by the+angry+liberal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Opportunity knocks on people's door in the most bizarre way

      Not as much as you may think. The media likes to discover a lot of things that were obvious for many years, especially if they can hang on to the disaster-happy public long enough to play one more commercial or display another banner. Ham and CB radio have served in just about every natural or man-made disaster since they have been in the hands of citizens.

      I feel sadness inside everytime it occurs to me people think the reason to buy a two-way radio is to chit-chat about BS over public air-waves. These are powerful tools, baby.

    2. Re:That's life by tomstdenis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've called my parents "news junkies" no less than 8 times this week.

      Try to explain to 50 yr olds that "oh, 120,000 dead in the tsunami? How many you think died in Iraq, Sudan, Africa and other countries last year?" As if this disaster [as bad as it is] is the ONLY place "bad things" are happening in the world.

      Not to mention the day to day deterioration of our civilization by those seeking material wealth. Little propatainment here, little get rich scam there, ...

      Yipee!

      --
      Someday, I'll have a real sig.
    3. Re:That's life by Hard_Code · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "For example, we would have not gotten to the moon without some level of greed and unity fueling us."

      Not to dispute your point, but the "space race" was a cold war pissing contest. Has getting to the moon really done much for us lately? Surely abstract technological progress has been made by funding space endeavors in general (and more specifically space probes and telescopes), and I'm not really knowledgeable enough to say whether it's worth the federal investment, but did we really need to send up some guys to put a flag in the dirt (aside from political motivations of course)?

      --

      It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
    4. Re:That's life by the+angry+liberal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not to dispute your point, but the "space race" was a cold war pissing contest.

      Right, but the nations are examples of this greed and a collective of resources. This was sort of my point.

      Has getting to the moon really done much for us lately? Surely abstract technological progress has been made by funding space endeavors in general (and more specifically space probes and telescopes), and I'm not really knowledgeable enough to say whether it's worth the federal investment, but did we really need to send up some guys to put a flag in the dirt (aside from political motivations of course)?

      Um, just about every electronic item you own, every "space-age" fabric you use, the technology used in your car, a better grasp of cheaper space travel, countless medical experiments with many positive results, etc. The list goes on and on. We have benefitted in many ways from this "pissing" contest. Yes, we paid great prices and it probably wasn't the best way, but it happened and we probably wouldn't have been so pressed to research and increase technology had there not been a foe there to incite us.

    5. Re:That's life by PedanticSpellingTrol · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But all the choices are shit.

    6. Re:That's life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      OMG, the parent gets moderated negative for starting a thread of ~15 posts. Half of the nested are moderated positive.

      Does responding to an offtopic post make the original post relevant, or was the parent actually relevant and people just can not read?

      I will take "people can not read" for $500, Alex.

  2. Broadband over power lines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, I guess this is an "I told you so" from those who opposed BPL for ham-interference reasons.
    What do you care more for ... being able to read slashdot faster on BroadBand, or the lives of innocent little children? Easy enough question, to those of you who aren't terminally selfish.
    I think the Hams win this one.

    1. Re:Broadband over power lines by ReeprFlame · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How capable? Very. The HF band that they use [3-30MHz] allows radio to bounce off the Ionosphere and travel all over the world. That is why that is useful. Now as for the BPL, that is localized. Who cares anyway? I mean I am a HAM at 16, so it does still survive. But it also is useful. You don't seem to know enough about the situation of radio and therefore should not really mock it. BPL I could care less about and have no idea how this message brought it up. But anyway, satelite phones are something that amateurs can use themselves considering there are Amateur Satalites. Hell the International Space Stations talks to us every day! Talk about advantages. And on theses satellite uplinks, we do not pay the $5.00 per minute that most need to pay... So hah. Amateur Radio is useful, and does lead to alot of advances in radio. They will stay into ine future and they will help out in emergencies whenever possible.

  3. Another good reason for BPL.... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Just another reminder (the World Trade Center should serve as another one in recent memory) that Amateur radio frequencies should be protected from spectrum auctions and Broadband over Power Lines (BPL).

    Sometimes just making money isn't the best thing.

    73 - KL1SA

    --
    Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
    1. Re:Another good reason for BPL.... by Geckoman · · Score: 3, Insightful
      This would be one of the times when BPL would probably be either out or turned off.
      The problem isn't interference at the time of a disaster (which, as you pointed out, would likely disappear), the problem is interference with preparation, drills, and tests.

      Not to mention the deterrent effect that constant interference would have on amateurs beforehand. It may look like we're just "playing radio," but those are the activities that keep people interested and active in between disasters.

    2. Re:Another good reason for BPL.... by ColaMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Imagine - you can't establish radio contact with anyone for 4 years due to BPL. Your HAM radio days are pretty much over. Suddenly, a disaster strikes in your area. Are you still going to have all that equipment that's been lying around useless in your basement for 4 years, or would you have sold it all off to other enthusiasts?

      --

      You are in a twisty maze of processor lines, all alike.
      There is a lot of hype here.
    3. Re:Another good reason for BPL.... by mvsopen · · Score: 5, Insightful
      BPL just might spell the death of Amateur Radio. Think about it, for most of us, the original purpose of obtaining an amateur radio license was to

      a) To talk to people in distant places

      b) Perform public service (RACES/ARES, etc)

      c) Be able to fix/build/repair your own radio gear.

      Now, let's see what happens today:

      a) Anyone can plug in a $4 mic, use VoIP, and "talk" to almost anywhere on Earth, no license or self-study required.

      b) Whip out your cell phone. That is unless a disaster hits, and all the cell sites are down, or your 40 min. battery dies. Also the "big news guys" literally take over a cell site. CNN's truck logs in via cell at every major story, and keeps an open line as a backup. If even 200 reporters did this, kiss off any chance of getting a cell signal, since the towers would be overloaded

      c) How many parts inside a modern radio are actually user-servicable? I mean, I *can* probably replace a blown out chip-capacitor, if I had to, but when it is smaller than a pencil point, and 5 seconds of extra heat would wipe out the printed circuit board by lifting the traces, is this something you would want to do to a $2000 piece of amateur radio? The new ICOM rig sells for more than $10,000! Who would ever want to "modify" something like that? Rich de KY6O (Extra class license holder. Proof that if I can do it, anyone can. For more info on obtaining a license, see http://www.arrl.org/ which is the official site of US amateur radio operations)

    4. Re:Another good reason for BPL.... by silentbozo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Do you have flashlights in your house?

      Yes.

      Do you routinely practice with them just in case the power goes out?

      No, but I do use several of them on a daily basis, and I check the batteries and bulbs every couple of months. I recently had to overhaul 3 of my mini-maglites because I had let them sit for too long, and the batteries leaked, corroding the inner tubes of the flashlights, and jamming the batteries in place.

      If the power hasn't gone out in monthes, are you going to get rid of them?

      All of the flashlights that I own would barely fill half of my kitchen drawer. I doubt that the same holds true for the rigs (including the antenna and power supplies) that people have. Even then, you need to maintain and test equipment to ensure proper functioning. I left for a trip for about half a year, and when I came back, my stereo refused to work due to some dried out caps.

      You think batteries are going to charge and water themselves, if you have a backup power system, or even a car (I'm talking conventional/low-maint batteries). Try leaving your car in your garage for a year without exercising it. By then the gas will have turned to gunk, your tires would have gone flat, seals would have shrunk - about a weekend's worth of maintenance to get back on the road.

      Unless it's designed to sit there, or has been carefully stored away, most equipment requires maintenance. If it's equipment that requires skilled operation, then it's not just the equipment that requires maintenance, the operator needs practice to maintain their skill set as well.

  4. Re:ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Okay... ham radio... wow... we should all be impressed... how about using said car batteries and other forms of power to power the damned cell sites... much more useful... not everyone has a ham radio at their disposal... but I'm sure you'd find a cell phone, even in poverty stricken areas within a 5 kilometre radius...

    Let's see, maybe because:

    1. They actually *HAD* a ham radio, not a cellphone tower.

    2. I doubt if they had found a cellphone tower that they would just happen to have a power converter suitable to running it off of their car batteries. (And if they did, I doubt the batteries would last long supporting that dynamo.)

    3. A back up generator would have been much more suitable to running something like a cell tower.

    4. Can you say "cellular network"? Powering up one cell tower isn't going to do you diddly squat if the other cell towers and phonelines are down.

  5. The old story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ham radio was and is useful when natural disasters happens, this is something the rest of the people knows only when it's too late.

  6. Re:ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    how about using said car batteries and other forms of power to power the damned cell sites...

    And how, my friend, do you expect that cell tower to communicate with the rest of the world when the land lines are out? That said, do you have any idea how much power it would take to run an entire cell tower, off of car batteries? These cell towers don't run off of 12V DC, and even if they did, the power from one battery (or even 5) isn't gonna cut it. HAM radios (or any radio, for that matter) are still a very viable communication method when standard infrastructure goes the way of the shitter.

  7. Re:Why so slow to react? by Spectra72 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    What? The world's pathetic reaction to Dafur and it's contemptible reaction to Rwanda wasn't enough to prove that point long before this?

    Just be thankful the world is reacting at all I say. If this had not have been a natural disaster, but rather another genocide or brutal regime killing people, the world would still be sitting on its collective hands watching the death toll rise. Natural disasters are easy to deal with. No messy issues with who is the "good guy" and who is the "bad guy", just throw money at it to prove how much you care.

  8. ok, but... by supernova87a · · Score: 3, Insightful

    well this is a feel good story and all, but I always wonder -- how exactly are these amateur radio operators helping in more than an anecdotal way during disasters? I mean, is it like they're ferrying critical rescue and operations traffic? I have a feeling not, because to do that, both they and the operators on the other side would have to be tied in to whatever government or agency is reaching out to help. And to have that be the case, there would have to be serious pre-disaster networks and agreements set up.

    I mean, this is similar to the relief organizations in the area now -- they keep telling regular people not to volunteer to fly to the region and help out, because what they really want are people who know what they're doing and part of the organization already, and can be deployed. A single ham radio operator on his/her own is not going to be that useful.

    So maybe I'm not really familiar with the true value of ham radio operators in situations like this -- can anyone give a more informed picture? Do they just serve to carry random individual messages of "I'm ok", until the military/relief authorities arrive and set up a real command communications network?

    thanks for the info.

    1. Re:ok, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You fail to appreciate the importance of the words "I'm OK"

      73,WB2PFV

    2. Re:ok, but... by jburgess · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, we do much more than carry random individual messages of "I'm ok," although that is also an important part. The primary concern is health and welfare traffic. This means that we coordinate information between the disaster area and the relief organizations. You mentioned that there would have to be serious pre-disaster networks and agreements set up. There indeed are. The Red Cross is tied into the amateur radio world, and works very closely with us. We train regularly, through events and practice nets coordinated through the Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES), and the Radio Amateur Civil Emergency Service (RACES). Just recently, the Simulated Emergency Test took place here in my county. We absolutely do ferry critical rescue and operations traffic, and we do have serious pre-disaster networks and training. You're right in that a single ham radio operator on his or her own is not going to be that useful, but when that operator is tied into the network of millions of hams across the globe (over 600,000 in the US alone), that one operator can be a powerful lifesaving force. And yes, once the highly important stuff is taken care of, we are still there to relay "I'm ok" messages from those stuck in disaster areas to those on the outside who are concerned, through the National Traffic System (NTS). I hope this gives you a better picture of the true value of ham radio in situations like this.

    3. Re:ok, but... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 3, Insightful
      time insensitive, as he says, they're "I'm ok" messages that could wait.

      "I'm OK, as well as the 500 other people in this hotel" is a lot better than 500 missing persons.

    4. Re:ok, but... by Belegothmog · · Score: 3, Insightful
      So maybe I'm not really familiar with the true value of ham radio operators in situations like this -- can anyone give a more informed picture? Do they just serve to carry random individual messages of "I'm ok", until the military/relief authorities arrive and set up a real command communications network?


      This is a legitmate question, but the answer is in the article if you are familiar with ham radio "terms of art." In the article there are references to "helping to handle emergency traffic" and also "pitching in to handle emergency and health-and-welfare traffic." Emergency traffic and health-and-welfare traffic are terms describing two very different types of disaster communication.

      There are four general categories of disaster messages which have the following precedence:

      1. Emergency traffic. This includes messages relating to the immediate protection of life or propery. For example, coordinating the delivery of medical supplies or personnel; dispatching emergency services; relaying vital information for disaster response.

      2. Priority traffic. Generally not as time sensitive as emergency traffic.
      3. Health-and-welfare traffic is the type of messages which you reference where a survivor wants to get word out relatives that they are ok.

      4. Routine. Non-related communications


      So, the fact that the article specifies that they handled "emergency and health-and-welfare" means that they did more than handle "I'm ok" messages. There's an additional clue when the article says that "[o]ur control center was inside the prime minister's official house in his operational room." This indicates that it is very likely that they were handling critical messages until regular communications could be set up.


      Amateur Radio has similar roles around the U.S. and the world in official government emergency response plans. I am part of a volunteer emergency communications team for a major metropolitan area in the U.S. We have our own area and equipment in the city emergency operations center. In the event of a disaster, we become the relay through which all information/reports for 911-type dispatching will come. We form the link to the county and state emergency operations centers, and provide other radio-based services as well. We are offically affiliated with the police department. There are other groups affiliated with relief organizations like the Red Cross and the Salvation Army which provide more health-and-welfare type traffic than our group, but they also handle critical relief-related communications for their organizations. Ham radio is involved in all levels of disaster response communications from the most important to the least.

  9. Re:Why so slow to react? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If they had communications from the disaster, why did it take the international community a week to react. Why did Australia just start sending its ships? Why did the USA helicopters just arrive in Sri Lanka today?

    Radio travels at the speed of light. Ships and helicopters travel at the speed of bureaucracy.

    Next question.

  10. Re:Why so slow to react? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 5, Insightful
    1. The full extent wasn't (and still isn't) known.
    2. Maybe the aussies actually had to load stuff on the ships. You know...stuff that people might need, like medical supplies, water, blankets. Does no good to send empty ships.
    3. It takes quite a while for a carrier battle group (the Abraham Lincoln) to steam several thousand miles. Unless you know of another way to get helicopters and 15,000 navy people across a few thousand miles of open ocean.

    It seems to me you're bitching just to be bitching.

  11. Re:Why so slow to react? by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If they had communications from the disaster, why did it take the international community a week to react.

    You think there are cargo ships and helicopters loaded up 24/7 with crews, appropriate supplies and doctors just waiting for a disaster to strike?

    --

    You can't take the sky from me...

  12. Re:Why so slow to react? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If they had communications from the disaster, why did it take the international community a week to react. Why did Australia just start sending its ships? Why did the USA helicopters just arrive in Sri Lanka today?

    Well do you suppose they just have big old ships full of disaster relief supplies sitting dockside in Australia? Or do you suppose that they have to be fueled, loaded up (once they figure out what types of supplies will be needed) and sent on the way?

    Does the United States have helicopters that can make trans-oceanic crossings? Or do you suppose that maybe they have to operate off some sort of vessel? Might that vessel have to travel close enough to where relief supplies are needed so that the helicopters can make round trips to deliver muliple loads of supplies? Or do you expect that just sending the helicopters on a one way trip with a single load of supplies would be sufficient?

    Have you stopped to consider that delivering relief supplies to disaster areas actually takes some thought and organization rather than being done in a chaotic, willy-nilly fashion?

    Were you aware that even though there has been a huge disaster there are still functioning bureaucracies in the affected areas? Bureaucracies that expect i's to be dotted, t's to be crossed and the proper clearances obtained and the correct forms filled out in triplicate? Were you aware that a licence is required to import medicines into India and that the requirement is not being waved even in light of the huge disaster?

    Apparently you haven't really considered these things or else you'd know that relief is actually being provided pretty damn fast on an international scale. If you want to offer any criticism on the tardiness of relief efforts then I suggest you look to the governments a little bit closer to the disaster areas as they are the ones who are properly positioned to provide immediate relief and are therefore the ones who are most responsible for doing so.

  13. HAM Radio in disasters by kg4gyt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Amateur radio has been used all over the world many many times during disaster. Hurricanes here in the states, earthquakes, tsunamis, etc. They usually go unnoticed, despite being the only source of communication at times. Severe storm warnings are usually issued after HAMs report, via radio, that there is in fact a severe storm (after undergoing training of course). Without us even knowing it they can be a huge part of our daily lives.

    Its good to see that such a useful, threatened hobby can show one of its many goodsides to the world by helping out.

    73 de kg4gyt
  14. Re:Another good reason for BPL....Build It. by mvsopen · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I can't even get sub-standard parts from Radio Shack any longer, asthey no longer stock "hard to sell" items. Their new motto appears to be "You've got questions? We've got cell phones."

    I miss the smell of a hot soldering iron. And my 3 DSW & SmallWonder Lab radios all worked the first time. *

    Rich (* = But my degrees are in English Lit, Rhetoric, and Composition Theory ;)

  15. Q: How likely?? by the_rajah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A: Very likely. Contrary to your belief, it does not require that Joe Ham have a lot of power or a huge antenna on a tower to communicate with the other side of the world. Nor does it require repeaters on the HF frequencies.

    I've been an FCC licensed Ham since 1958 at age 12 and operate only with low power (QRP to us hams) as a challenge precisely because making long distance contacts was too easy with even moderate power (say 100 watts) and modest wire antennas. I've communicated directly with Japan and New Zealand from my car in Illinois using a 4 watt transmitter and a 4 foot antenna on the trunk. If you get up to around 100 Watts and a reasonable wire antenna hung up in the trees in the back yard, you can very easily talk anywhere in the world, given reasonable conditions.

    What good is it from the other end? I was with Project Hope in Tunisia in 1969 and provided daily "phone-patched" phone call service to the staff of about 150 people so they could stay in touch with their families back home, without having to pay the $13.00 for the first 3 minutes that the landline cost. It made a huge difference to the people on the hospital ship. In disaster situations, it's orders of magnitude more important. Some of my fellow hams here in the states provided similar communications for military and Antarctic bases for years.

    To learn more about Amateur Radio, visit the ARRL website. ARRL Oh, and please, please, do not lump us in with CB folks, as nice as some of them are. Hams are tested and licensed to FCC standards prior to being allowed to put their transmitters on the air.

    "Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Mark Twain

    --


    "Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Mark Twain
  16. What's Truly Sad.. by Maestro4k · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Reading through the relatively few comments so far (especially few for a /. topic), it's really sad how many people are still trolling and/or taking time to trumpet things like how bad BPL (Broadband over PowerLines) is. Folks this is a tragedy that's so far killed more than 100,000 people. We still don't have enough knowledge of the areas hit to even know if that number represents a goodly portion of deaths, or if it's just the start of a number that will reach truly staggering proportions. I noticed in the article that the quake that started this has been reclassified as a 9 on the Richter scale, that's about as bad as a quake can get, the scale classifies 9 and greater as "rare greats", that occur roughly once in any 20 year period. It's only .5 below the worst quake on record, the Chilean Quake in 1960 and that one only killed 3000 people. This quake/tsunami combo's surpassed that by a VERY large margin already.

    And yes, BPL is bad, and can/will interfere with HAM, but there are better ways to point this out than to completely ignore both the tragedy and what good these students, and other amateur HAM operators have been able to do since the tragedy occured.

    So maybe my post is a bit off-topic, but I find it very disturbing that folks will focus on things like this when a tragedy occurs, especially the trolls. Think about what you're saying, and think about what it says about you before you click that submit button. (And yes, I know this is the Internet, and particularly /., but some of the trolls especially have managed to sink to new lows this time.)

  17. Re:Why so slow to react? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 3, Insightful
    What you'd want is some kind of fleet of aircraft/helicopters located at strategic points around the globe,

    This already exists, more or less. Most countries have their own military, with aircraft and helicopters. What you propose would have to be a fleet every 500 miles or so, all the way around the planet. Helicopters are notoriously shortlegged. And quite often, they are the only thing that can get to the affected area. No runways exist, or are left after the disaster.

    In this case, such a fleet would have been more useful for evacuation purposes. Seismographs recorded the earthquakes long before the tsunami hit populated areas.

    Radio and telephone are far faster. And efforts were made in this case, to little effect.

    No transport systems existed in those areas to get people out, but a first response system may have been able to get some out and deliver warnings to others. Enough that perhaps we'd be seeing death rates a tenth (or less) of those we actually have.

    How many people can you evacuate via helicopter? 20 each? How many helicopters to evacuate 100,000 people in an hour?

  18. As the original submitter... by SonicSpike · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would like to mention several things:

    1) There is no better time to point out the effects of a technology than when it is being used during a crisis! In 5 years (assuming there isn't another crisis of this magnitude) people will largely forget about ham radio and its function especially as an emergency communications network. Now is a GREAT time to launch a PR campaign of awareness and information about the art and hobby of ham radio. (if you notice though I didn't mention BPL in my article because I didn't want it to be the main focus of things). I guarentee you that thousands, if not millions, are exceptionally appreciative of ham radio at the moment.

    2) A lot of /.'ers have already posted their sympathy and condolences about this tragic situation. Don't believe me?
    Read this:
    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/28 /012024 0&tid=99
    and this:
    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/31 /001620 6&tid=99

    3) This is /. We are about technology and technical things. Discussing communication technology, people who use it, methodology, functionality, and even the human side of it is perfectly within the realm of informative speech.

    4) I bet that the doctors and EMTs over in that area are discussing their professional and technical perspectives of the disaster among their collegues. Why? Because they want to learn and exchange information. So are the structual engineers, and the civil engineers, and city planners etc...

    No one is saying that this is not a very tragic situation. But with the free exchange of information and objective discussion perhaps better methods of communication or preperation could be devised to help save more lives or maybe to ease the burden next time.

    --
    Libertas in infinitum
  19. Only slightly off-topic... by evilviper · · Score: 3, Insightful

    On the topic of Ham radios during disasters, I would like to bring up something that annoys me to no end...

    Why in the hell is it that emergency services aren't equipt to handle anything but a normal day? When some idiots have assault weapons and body armor, police are practically helpless (they got lucky, actually). When there is anything larger than a house fire, firefighters don't have the equipment, training, numbers, etc. When there are real emergencies, police, firefigters and ambulance services don't have any working and practical communications equipment at all. It seems the more developed our country becomes, the more emergency services depend on the very infrastructure that will be first to fail when it's really needed...

    It's clear that local (city/county, sometimes state) governments are to blame. They cause flood damage by approving roads to be built, but don't account for drainage, and allow homes to be built in the obvious path of flood waters. In the worst areas, they may even build storm-drains, but do nothing to keep they clear, rending them completely useless wastes of money. Emergency services in flood-prone areas never seem to have the equipment that would make it easy to perform the necessary rescues, meaning people die, money is wasted, etc.

    They allow homes to be built near wooded areas, prone to major fires, and don't do the slightest bit of maintenance on those areas to prevent major fires. I've heard of only one city in Southern California that spends a small ammount of money to clear brush, why don't the rest? Firefighters are helpless against forrest-fires, and yet, the preventative controlled burns (the method previously used) have even been stopped.

    Hospitals are now (finally) required to have a generator, but only required to have enough capacity to stay up for a short time (a couple days IIRC) when blackouts can last far longer. Besides hospitals, emergency services depend greatly on the power grid, and rarely have the generators they need (typically short-term battery power) so they are the least able to handle emergencies, when they are needed THE MOST.

    The point of all of this is simple... What the hell is the good of having a local government, if they aren't taking care of the real necessities? Local governments are needed for the very things they are now neglecting to do, so why not get rid of them all-together? The basic things can be handled by the state government anyhow (police, fire, medical, schools, etc) so if we aren't going to be well-served by local governments, why keep them on as a leech, taking our tax dollars and spending them on trivial things few of us want, and most of us feel like we are getting ripped-off by?

    Personally, of course I would prefer if local governments would just start doing their jobs, but since that's not happing, I'd like to see them abolished, rather than keeping the status-quo. What good are they, as is?

    --
    Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
  20. Re:NASA was a terrific investment by my_fake_account · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Can you imagine a 500% return on your investment in the business world?"

    Yes, I can.

    Let's see, the space race heated up in what... 1957?

    And this study was done when? 1987? 1997?

    Did they go back even further to the WWII rocket research?

    500% over what time period?

  21. Ha! Eat THAT one, Time Magazine! by KC7GR · · Score: 2, Insightful

    An article on blogging, as contained in the Dec. 27th issue of 'Time' magazine, made a reference to ham radio as a "faintly embarassing" hobby.

    I wonder if the operators of that station find it so? Especially since they're providing a most valuable service that the (supposedly) much tougher public infrastructure failed to?

    The same thing happened with the Nisqually Quake in 2001. Within minutes after the shocks subsided, landline phones and cellphone networks alike were overwhelmed into non-functionality.

    Guess what stayed up and working through the whole affair? Yep. Ham radio VHF and UHF repeaters, and HF nets.

    --

    Bruce Lane, KC7GR,

    Blue Feather Technologies