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Ham Radio Served as Main Link to Disaster Area

SonicSpike writes "A University of Central Florida ham radio operator K4VUD (and founder of their film program) was caught in Port Blair during the earthquake and following tsunami! He and a team of other ham radio operators arrived in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands to setup the region's first ham station 2 weeks prior to the disaster. Once they realized what happened they immediately began transmitting for 20 straight hours using car batteries as a power source. Most cellular and land-line communication was down. His team became the main link to the rest of the world from the region."

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  1. That's life by superpulpsicle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Opportunity knocks on people's door in the most bizarre way. Yesterday they are just some university radio folks, today they are globally recognized.

    1. Re:That's life by the+angry+liberal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Opportunity knocks on people's door in the most bizarre way

      Not as much as you may think. The media likes to discover a lot of things that were obvious for many years, especially if they can hang on to the disaster-happy public long enough to play one more commercial or display another banner. Ham and CB radio have served in just about every natural or man-made disaster since they have been in the hands of citizens.

      I feel sadness inside everytime it occurs to me people think the reason to buy a two-way radio is to chit-chat about BS over public air-waves. These are powerful tools, baby.

    2. Re:That's life by tomstdenis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've called my parents "news junkies" no less than 8 times this week.

      Try to explain to 50 yr olds that "oh, 120,000 dead in the tsunami? How many you think died in Iraq, Sudan, Africa and other countries last year?" As if this disaster [as bad as it is] is the ONLY place "bad things" are happening in the world.

      Not to mention the day to day deterioration of our civilization by those seeking material wealth. Little propatainment here, little get rich scam there, ...

      Yipee!

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    3. Re:That's life by Hard_Code · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "For example, we would have not gotten to the moon without some level of greed and unity fueling us."

      Not to dispute your point, but the "space race" was a cold war pissing contest. Has getting to the moon really done much for us lately? Surely abstract technological progress has been made by funding space endeavors in general (and more specifically space probes and telescopes), and I'm not really knowledgeable enough to say whether it's worth the federal investment, but did we really need to send up some guys to put a flag in the dirt (aside from political motivations of course)?

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    4. Re:That's life by the+angry+liberal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not to dispute your point, but the "space race" was a cold war pissing contest.

      Right, but the nations are examples of this greed and a collective of resources. This was sort of my point.

      Has getting to the moon really done much for us lately? Surely abstract technological progress has been made by funding space endeavors in general (and more specifically space probes and telescopes), and I'm not really knowledgeable enough to say whether it's worth the federal investment, but did we really need to send up some guys to put a flag in the dirt (aside from political motivations of course)?

      Um, just about every electronic item you own, every "space-age" fabric you use, the technology used in your car, a better grasp of cheaper space travel, countless medical experiments with many positive results, etc. The list goes on and on. We have benefitted in many ways from this "pissing" contest. Yes, we paid great prices and it probably wasn't the best way, but it happened and we probably wouldn't have been so pressed to research and increase technology had there not been a foe there to incite us.

    5. Re:That's life by PedanticSpellingTrol · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But all the choices are shit.

    6. Re:That's life by harmgsn · · Score: 5, Informative

      I hate to have to ruin my karma like this, but please refrain from lumping "HAM" operators with the CB groups. We frankly don't like that. Although, most "HAM" (amateur) operators usually train for stuff like this just incase we actually are needed. They have quite a few groups/classes that you can do to help learn where you fit in the 'disaster' picture.

      Although, I must admit, you at least nailed the point on the head with your second thought you put down. Amateur Radio operators don't just get their license to chit-chat about stuff. Most of us are here for when we're needed.

      Case in point: The recent streak of Hurricanes out around Florida. The Amateur Radio community had spotters in the field the entire time relaying information to the National Weather Service and the Hurricane Watch Center.

      A good resource for those of you interested in getting your Amateur Radio Service license is:

      http://www.arrl.org (Amateur Radio Relay League)

      It's considered the "voice" of the community and has quite a bit of news on there.

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    7. Re:That's life by Engineering+Monkey · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, this is not really media contrived or a matter of opportunity knocking. I am part of the University of central Florida Amateur Radio Club (The Moderator can verify this if desired, I do not feel like giving out my email address to thousands).

      Dr. Harpole (K4VUD) was actually part of what they called a DXpedition. Where he had gone , there had never in history been an officially sanctioned amateur radio station before. It was mere coincidence that he had been there 2 weeks prior that special permission had been granted for the radio operators to operate there. The ARRL has more on the DXpedition gone into emergency mode

      Also, It should be noted that Dr. Harpole was not the only radio operator there. We have been keeping a series of links on this, however, which are available on the UCF Amateur Radio Club's wiki.


      I would like to point out that I do not typically reply to Slashdot posts, however, this is actually something of which I am somewhat a part, and figure I should set things straight. (despite the fact people will still continute to put up off the wall posts on the subject anyway)

  2. A very interesting article! by The-Bus · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wow what a great article! It was nice to read more about HAM radio operators! This is a good way to bring HAM radio into the limelight again! I'm sure they saved many lives!

    (The submitter and I just had three shots of espresso!)

    See, if you take out the exclamation points, it doesn't sound so insincere.

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  3. Broadband over power lines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, I guess this is an "I told you so" from those who opposed BPL for ham-interference reasons.
    What do you care more for ... being able to read slashdot faster on BroadBand, or the lives of innocent little children? Easy enough question, to those of you who aren't terminally selfish.
    I think the Hams win this one.

    1. Re:Broadband over power lines by josecanuc · · Score: 4, Informative

      How likely is it that Joe Ham in some suburbs is going to be capable of talking to India? Even with perfect weather and a great rig, very unlikely. Even with repeaters, rather unlikely.

      Not all Ham radio is in the short-range VHF/UHF bands. HF bands in the 15 meter to 160 meter wavelength range can directly "reach" India from the U.S. There are thousands of Joe Hams in the suburbs with this kind of equipment.

    2. Re:Broadband over power lines by starman97 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Hundreds of thousands...

      http://ah0a.org/FCC/Licenses.html\
      General, Advanced and Extra licensees have HF
      operating privileges.

      That's just in the US.
      There are several million Amateur Radio operators world wide.

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    3. Re:Broadband over power lines by mvsopen · · Score: 5, Informative

      Amateur rado "hasn't advanced" in the last 10 years? Sorry, but when I look at the new, yet afforable HF radios with dual DSP, or send GPS data through a sat. link, bounce microwaves off mountain peaks, or use pure digital VHF communication (Which is now possible and commercially available), I can't help but think you haven't seen an issue of QST since 1995. The hobby has matured, and more than kept [ace with changing technology. Rich de KY6O

    4. Re:Broadband over power lines by tmasssey · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Wrong.

      A few years ago, a guy used a light bulb as an antenna and was able to work contacts on all 6 continents. There was an article in the ARRL magazine, but I can't seem to find it...

      You can easily work around the world with a 5w transceiver and a simple wire antenna. Does having 1500w running through a 100' tower help? Sure. Is it necessary? Not even close.

      A couple of hundred dollars of equipment could allow you to work even the most distant contacts under most circumstances. What did you spend on *game* software last year? Could someone else have chosen to spend the same amount of money on something they consider a valuable public service?

      Here's one for you: *DID* a millitary fly in sat phones? If they did, would they be used by everyday people to let loved ones know they were still alive? No. So why do you assume it would happen tomorrow when it didn't happen today?

      As for it not having advanced in the last 10 years: how much more advanced is that land telephone in your house? That power outlet that you plug your computer to? Don't you hate the fact that the power company hasn't "innovated"? Sometimes dramatic innovation isn't necessary. Computers are at most 50 years old. Radio is *twice* that. Wouldn't you expect a slower rate of innovation? And by the way, search for PSK31: just because *you* haven't heard of the innovatins, doesn't mean they don't exist...

      Ham radio is not for everyone. It's not terribly exciting. But when there's a disaster, it's a community dedicated to serve. When was the last time you heard about those LAN network administrators who were instrumental in helping whole communities to communicate in the event of a disaster? No, that's right: They were too busy whining that their DSL was down...

    5. Re:Broadband over power lines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The problem with BPL is that because ham radio will be unusable most of the time, ham radio culture will die. By the time the power lines are down, there won't be any heroes of ham radio around to save the day ... they'll all have moved on to more feasible hobbies.

    6. Re:Broadband over power lines by dougmc · · Score: 3, Interesting
      A few years ago, a guy used a light bulb as an antenna and was able to work contacts on all 6 continents.
      I call shenanigans. Hams sometimes use light bulbs as dummy loads, but it's not really a good idea because the resistance changes too much with the temperature of the bulb.

      If a ham really did work (ignoring repeaters and things like echolink) six continents with his light bulb antenna, he probably did it via the transmission lines going to his light bulb (if you spread them out and/or make them uneven, they can make a nice antenna. In that case, the light bulb would just be a terminator, and not an antenna by itself.

      The antenna is the most important part of a rig used for DXing. If you put 1500 watts into it, I imagine you could get a few watts out of a light bulb as RF, but it wouldn't be able to pick up anything. I just don't buy it.

      You can easily work around the world with a 5w transceiver and a simple wire antenna.
      This is a bit more plausable, though it's certainly not easy to talk to somebody 12,000 miles away with only 5 watts and a simple dipole antenna.

      Oh, and I'm AD5RH.

    7. Re:Broadband over power lines by tmasssey · · Score: 3, Informative
      AHA!

      A link that pretty much backs up what I was saying. And it even mentions that the author used a balun to reduce feedline radiation!

      http://qrp.kd4ab.org/2000/000617/0033.html

      I really wish I could find the actual article, but this is close enough for me... Wrong on the year, though: it was mid-2000. Everything else is close enough.

    8. Re:Broadband over power lines by ReeprFlame · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How capable? Very. The HF band that they use [3-30MHz] allows radio to bounce off the Ionosphere and travel all over the world. That is why that is useful. Now as for the BPL, that is localized. Who cares anyway? I mean I am a HAM at 16, so it does still survive. But it also is useful. You don't seem to know enough about the situation of radio and therefore should not really mock it. BPL I could care less about and have no idea how this message brought it up. But anyway, satelite phones are something that amateurs can use themselves considering there are Amateur Satalites. Hell the International Space Stations talks to us every day! Talk about advantages. And on theses satellite uplinks, we do not pay the $5.00 per minute that most need to pay... So hah. Amateur Radio is useful, and does lead to alot of advances in radio. They will stay into ine future and they will help out in emergencies whenever possible.

    9. Re:Broadband over power lines by n6mod · · Score: 3, Informative

      In 1985 I worked more than 200 Health and Welfare Querys an hour for most of a day, in and out of Mexico city after their earthquake.

      From a station in Suburbia. Palo Alto, to be precise.

      -Z

      PS: Repeaters are a VHF-and-up thing. Disaster work is usually HF. You know, the frequencies BPL wipes out.

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  4. Another good reason for BPL.... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Just another reminder (the World Trade Center should serve as another one in recent memory) that Amateur radio frequencies should be protected from spectrum auctions and Broadband over Power Lines (BPL).

    Sometimes just making money isn't the best thing.

    73 - KL1SA

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    1. Re:Another good reason for BPL.... by Geckoman · · Score: 3, Insightful
      This would be one of the times when BPL would probably be either out or turned off.
      The problem isn't interference at the time of a disaster (which, as you pointed out, would likely disappear), the problem is interference with preparation, drills, and tests.

      Not to mention the deterrent effect that constant interference would have on amateurs beforehand. It may look like we're just "playing radio," but those are the activities that keep people interested and active in between disasters.

    2. Re:Another good reason for BPL.... by ColaMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Imagine - you can't establish radio contact with anyone for 4 years due to BPL. Your HAM radio days are pretty much over. Suddenly, a disaster strikes in your area. Are you still going to have all that equipment that's been lying around useless in your basement for 4 years, or would you have sold it all off to other enthusiasts?

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    3. Re:Another good reason for BPL.... by starman97 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not really.. what BPL means is that
      people in the 1st world wont be able to recieve a weak signal from the other side of the world.

      Radio waves in the bands the BPL interferes with dont propagate uniformly in all directions.
      At certain times of the day and with seasonal variations there are preferred propagation paths.
      Sometimes those paths are to the US, sometimes to Europe. Widespread usage of BPL would drown out those faint faraway signals with a local interference noise.

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    4. Re:Another good reason for BPL.... by mvsopen · · Score: 5, Insightful
      BPL just might spell the death of Amateur Radio. Think about it, for most of us, the original purpose of obtaining an amateur radio license was to

      a) To talk to people in distant places

      b) Perform public service (RACES/ARES, etc)

      c) Be able to fix/build/repair your own radio gear.

      Now, let's see what happens today:

      a) Anyone can plug in a $4 mic, use VoIP, and "talk" to almost anywhere on Earth, no license or self-study required.

      b) Whip out your cell phone. That is unless a disaster hits, and all the cell sites are down, or your 40 min. battery dies. Also the "big news guys" literally take over a cell site. CNN's truck logs in via cell at every major story, and keeps an open line as a backup. If even 200 reporters did this, kiss off any chance of getting a cell signal, since the towers would be overloaded

      c) How many parts inside a modern radio are actually user-servicable? I mean, I *can* probably replace a blown out chip-capacitor, if I had to, but when it is smaller than a pencil point, and 5 seconds of extra heat would wipe out the printed circuit board by lifting the traces, is this something you would want to do to a $2000 piece of amateur radio? The new ICOM rig sells for more than $10,000! Who would ever want to "modify" something like that? Rich de KY6O (Extra class license holder. Proof that if I can do it, anyone can. For more info on obtaining a license, see http://www.arrl.org/ which is the official site of US amateur radio operations)

    5. Re:Another good reason for BPL.... by MonMotha · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's been said zillions of times before, but I'll say it again.

      Someone has to be able to hear you at the other end (where there is no disaster). If the local noise floor is S9+20, there's no way I'm going to be able to hear your little 100W call for help from hundreds of miles away. It just isn't going to be copyable above the noise.

    6. Re:Another good reason for BPL.... by silentbozo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Do you have flashlights in your house?

      Yes.

      Do you routinely practice with them just in case the power goes out?

      No, but I do use several of them on a daily basis, and I check the batteries and bulbs every couple of months. I recently had to overhaul 3 of my mini-maglites because I had let them sit for too long, and the batteries leaked, corroding the inner tubes of the flashlights, and jamming the batteries in place.

      If the power hasn't gone out in monthes, are you going to get rid of them?

      All of the flashlights that I own would barely fill half of my kitchen drawer. I doubt that the same holds true for the rigs (including the antenna and power supplies) that people have. Even then, you need to maintain and test equipment to ensure proper functioning. I left for a trip for about half a year, and when I came back, my stereo refused to work due to some dried out caps.

      You think batteries are going to charge and water themselves, if you have a backup power system, or even a car (I'm talking conventional/low-maint batteries). Try leaving your car in your garage for a year without exercising it. By then the gas will have turned to gunk, your tires would have gone flat, seals would have shrunk - about a weekend's worth of maintenance to get back on the road.

      Unless it's designed to sit there, or has been carefully stored away, most equipment requires maintenance. If it's equipment that requires skilled operation, then it's not just the equipment that requires maintenance, the operator needs practice to maintain their skill set as well.

  5. Link to South America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Two years ago, I was in Brazil when they had a huge flood. The only communication out was radio. Fortunately, I had my Icom 706 and was able to establish a CW link through an AO satellite.

  6. Rule #2 about Ham Radios by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    They are not kosher.

  7. Re:ugh by Geckoman · · Score: 4, Interesting
    how about using said car batteries and other forms of power to power the damned cell sites
    The problem with that idea is that in lots of areas the connections between the cell sites and the main phone network is via landline. Contrary to popular belief, the cell network is auxiliary to the landline network, not independent of it.

    To my knowledge, amateur radio provides the only free-as-in-speech global communication network that can operate completely independent of any grid. You can even run computer networks on it, unlike the cell system.

  8. Re:ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Okay... ham radio... wow... we should all be impressed... how about using said car batteries and other forms of power to power the damned cell sites... much more useful... not everyone has a ham radio at their disposal... but I'm sure you'd find a cell phone, even in poverty stricken areas within a 5 kilometre radius...

    Let's see, maybe because:

    1. They actually *HAD* a ham radio, not a cellphone tower.

    2. I doubt if they had found a cellphone tower that they would just happen to have a power converter suitable to running it off of their car batteries. (And if they did, I doubt the batteries would last long supporting that dynamo.)

    3. A back up generator would have been much more suitable to running something like a cell tower.

    4. Can you say "cellular network"? Powering up one cell tower isn't going to do you diddly squat if the other cell towers and phonelines are down.

  9. Re:ugh by LinuxGeek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Right.... Have you ever seen a backup power supply for a single cell tower? It is a lot more than a couple of car batteries. But assuming you had a powered cell tower, what then? No powered land lines to connect to just yet.

    When disaster strikes, ham radio is often the only reliable means of communication into and out of the affected area.

    LinuxGeek, KI4CJJ

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  10. The old story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ham radio was and is useful when natural disasters happens, this is something the rest of the people knows only when it's too late.

  11. Send them guys some Bawls by agtorange · · Score: 2, Funny

    20hrs stright thats nuts let all pitch in and get them some bawls so they can go another few days non-stop.

  12. Re:ugh by TrevorB · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well, that's the beauty of ham radio. You can power one site and send messages thousands of miles away with a single tower and a car battery. To power all the cell towers, you'd need significantly more power, with significantly more towers and then you have to figure out how to send the signals off island. Plus you have to actually charge the cell phones. I don't think areas of Aceh had or are going to have electricity for a very, very long time.

    A family friend is a member of ARES, a network of ham radio operators who spring into action when the power goes off and cellular is a distant memory. These guys take their (volunteer) positions pretty seriously, and have acted a few times in the past decade to get news around quickly when more conventional methods aren't working.

    Also, this is the Andaman and Nicobar islands. Some of these islands are being protected by India because they have stone age cultures untouched by modern culture. I would think electricity is pretty sparse, let alone cell phones.

    So yes, Ham radio, Wow. Think of them as the Amish of 21th century communications. When the power grid collapses, they're the ones who will be there to save your ass.

    Many of these islands haven't been contacted yet, even one week later. This is an excellent scenario for Ham Radio use. Let's hope that along with new seismic bouys they can dot the Indian Ocean with emergency Ham Radio systems.

  13. Re:Why so slow to react? by Spectra72 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    What? The world's pathetic reaction to Dafur and it's contemptible reaction to Rwanda wasn't enough to prove that point long before this?

    Just be thankful the world is reacting at all I say. If this had not have been a natural disaster, but rather another genocide or brutal regime killing people, the world would still be sitting on its collective hands watching the death toll rise. Natural disasters are easy to deal with. No messy issues with who is the "good guy" and who is the "bad guy", just throw money at it to prove how much you care.

  14. Other Ham Heroes by Mr.+No+Skills · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sunday's Washington Post had an article on another Ham Radio operator (link - probably requires registration - sorry). A real life, very public example of why ham radio is important.

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    1. Re:Other Ham Heroes by Mr2cents · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is exactly why there are field days twice a year.. Ok, under normal circumstances it's just a contest, but it is meant to be an exercise to set up a working radio station without external support within a minimum of time. That includes setting up a power supply, transceiver system and an antenna. In case of a disaster, information about the needs is the first step towards help.

      Ham operators have proven time upon time that when disaster strikes, they are upon the first to establish communications.

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    2. Re:Other Ham Heroes by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2, Informative

      (link [washingtonpost.com] - probably requires registration - sorry)

      If you spoof your browser id to be googlebot, it lets you in without registration. I tried it first as googlebot and it let me in, then as firefox and it redirected to the registration page instead. Lots of these registration-required and even some pay-required sites let you in if your browser-id is googlebot. I am constantly amazed at how stupid "professional" webmasters are.

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  15. ok, but... by supernova87a · · Score: 3, Insightful

    well this is a feel good story and all, but I always wonder -- how exactly are these amateur radio operators helping in more than an anecdotal way during disasters? I mean, is it like they're ferrying critical rescue and operations traffic? I have a feeling not, because to do that, both they and the operators on the other side would have to be tied in to whatever government or agency is reaching out to help. And to have that be the case, there would have to be serious pre-disaster networks and agreements set up.

    I mean, this is similar to the relief organizations in the area now -- they keep telling regular people not to volunteer to fly to the region and help out, because what they really want are people who know what they're doing and part of the organization already, and can be deployed. A single ham radio operator on his/her own is not going to be that useful.

    So maybe I'm not really familiar with the true value of ham radio operators in situations like this -- can anyone give a more informed picture? Do they just serve to carry random individual messages of "I'm ok", until the military/relief authorities arrive and set up a real command communications network?

    thanks for the info.

    1. Re:ok, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You fail to appreciate the importance of the words "I'm OK"

      73,WB2PFV

    2. Re:ok, but... by MBCook · · Score: 4, Informative
      Well, idealy you would have hams already there, not flying in.

      Hams (at least those with interest) can be well trained in this area. They are trained to do everything from serve as simple phones for wellness traffic ("Hi mom, my house is gone but the dog is OK.") to assisting emergency relief personel (operating their radios for them to keep hands free, helping co-ordinate the operation by keeping information on everyone up to date on people's position, how many more people a relief station can handle so those in the field know where to take new ones, that there are X people with Y injuries that need to be medivaced, etc.)They are much more than normal people with "magic cell phones" that still work without the infrastructure.

      In the US you can find them doing ARES and RACES (I think those are the big two) which are disaster relief and such training to do the kind of things mentioned above. Not only do they do drills simulating traffic and operating without power and normal communications and stuff, the practice regularly by helping out with the running of parades and other public events to keep their skills sharp in doing that kind of thing.

      On my local repeater (RACES repeater, I think) every so often (Wed nights at some time) they practice carrying traffic between people. It's usually unimportant stuff (saying "hi" to friends, party invites, happy birthday, etc.) but they practice. Someone is incharge and they ask for messages and they go through them one by one. The guy with the message will say "this is ____ and I have a message for _____ in _____, can anyone carry it" (or something like that). Someone will volunteer (either they know the person or they will just call them or pass it on to the next 'net). The person sending the message and the person who volunteered will then chat (either there, or more frequently on a nearby empty frequency so things can keep moving along) and the message gets sent. It's all quite interesting actually.

      Hams do alot (besides just chat and also neat expirmatents trying to bounce signals off various layers of the atmosphere, the moon, mars, commets, asteroid showers, balloons, and anything else more than 5 feet in the air).

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    3. Re:ok, but... by kc8apf · · Score: 2, Informative

      In disaster situations, many different amateur radio groups become active. Most notable are ARES and RACES. Both of these are usually associated with major relief organizations (in the US, typically the Red Cross).

      While some of the traffic is just people saying that they are OK, lots of the traffic is critical emergency coordination traffic. This can be both ways as well. Incoming weather information and knowledge about what relief is coming can be very important.

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    4. Re:ok, but... by jburgess · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, we do much more than carry random individual messages of "I'm ok," although that is also an important part. The primary concern is health and welfare traffic. This means that we coordinate information between the disaster area and the relief organizations. You mentioned that there would have to be serious pre-disaster networks and agreements set up. There indeed are. The Red Cross is tied into the amateur radio world, and works very closely with us. We train regularly, through events and practice nets coordinated through the Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES), and the Radio Amateur Civil Emergency Service (RACES). Just recently, the Simulated Emergency Test took place here in my county. We absolutely do ferry critical rescue and operations traffic, and we do have serious pre-disaster networks and training. You're right in that a single ham radio operator on his or her own is not going to be that useful, but when that operator is tied into the network of millions of hams across the globe (over 600,000 in the US alone), that one operator can be a powerful lifesaving force. And yes, once the highly important stuff is taken care of, we are still there to relay "I'm ok" messages from those stuck in disaster areas to those on the outside who are concerned, through the National Traffic System (NTS). I hope this gives you a better picture of the true value of ham radio in situations like this.

    5. Re:ok, but... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 3, Insightful
      time insensitive, as he says, they're "I'm ok" messages that could wait.

      "I'm OK, as well as the 500 other people in this hotel" is a lot better than 500 missing persons.

    6. Re:ok, but... by Wapiti-eater · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your assumptions are mostly correct.

      We train, practice and prepare to be useful at a moments notice. All on our own nickle.

      Arrangements do exist with many governemnts and agencies. In the US Amateur Radio Emergency Services (ARES - http://www.ares.org) and Radio Ameteur Civil Emergency System (RACES - http://www.races.net) are two common ones. The American Red Cross as well as The Salvation Army (SATERN - http://satern.org) have their own arrangements with hams.

      Traffic passed will be of "life and death" nature, until such traffic is either being carried by other chanels or is no longer there. Then "Health and Welfare" traffic can and will be passed - the "I'm OK" type messages to family and friends.

      We hams have a very LONG history of doing this type of work. Many would say it's one of the very reasons we exist. It is our 'public service' to justify our use of public air waves.(be nice if other services remembered that)

      You can learn a lot more with some basic research. http://www.arrl.org is a good start point. Look for such things as ARES, RACES and National Traffic System (NTS - http://pages.sbcglobal.net/k9jm/ntsguide.htm)

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    7. Re:ok, but... by Belegothmog · · Score: 3, Insightful
      So maybe I'm not really familiar with the true value of ham radio operators in situations like this -- can anyone give a more informed picture? Do they just serve to carry random individual messages of "I'm ok", until the military/relief authorities arrive and set up a real command communications network?


      This is a legitmate question, but the answer is in the article if you are familiar with ham radio "terms of art." In the article there are references to "helping to handle emergency traffic" and also "pitching in to handle emergency and health-and-welfare traffic." Emergency traffic and health-and-welfare traffic are terms describing two very different types of disaster communication.

      There are four general categories of disaster messages which have the following precedence:

      1. Emergency traffic. This includes messages relating to the immediate protection of life or propery. For example, coordinating the delivery of medical supplies or personnel; dispatching emergency services; relaying vital information for disaster response.

      2. Priority traffic. Generally not as time sensitive as emergency traffic.
      3. Health-and-welfare traffic is the type of messages which you reference where a survivor wants to get word out relatives that they are ok.

      4. Routine. Non-related communications


      So, the fact that the article specifies that they handled "emergency and health-and-welfare" means that they did more than handle "I'm ok" messages. There's an additional clue when the article says that "[o]ur control center was inside the prime minister's official house in his operational room." This indicates that it is very likely that they were handling critical messages until regular communications could be set up.


      Amateur Radio has similar roles around the U.S. and the world in official government emergency response plans. I am part of a volunteer emergency communications team for a major metropolitan area in the U.S. We have our own area and equipment in the city emergency operations center. In the event of a disaster, we become the relay through which all information/reports for 911-type dispatching will come. We form the link to the county and state emergency operations centers, and provide other radio-based services as well. We are offically affiliated with the police department. There are other groups affiliated with relief organizations like the Red Cross and the Salvation Army which provide more health-and-welfare type traffic than our group, but they also handle critical relief-related communications for their organizations. Ham radio is involved in all levels of disaster response communications from the most important to the least.

    8. Re:ok, but... by 40ohms · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Being one of those that has participated in communications for a disaster relief effort, I have seen some of the work hams do from being there. Some of the things they are doing are not done well by the military. The military has some communcations equipment, but they don't have the flexibility to communicate with many of the other law enforcement / relief groups. There are many efforts going on now on the ham bands to assist in the relief effort. One you might find interesting is a http://www.boatwatchnet.org/. If you want the spread sheet short story on the status of many of the boats in the area, you can find that from a link at http://www.winlink.org/ The hams had most of the status on those boats posted several days ago. Many hams were busy on the Winlink system passing various messages about the status of people and relief needs almost from the time the quake was felt. If you wonder what hams do in a disaster, ask someone that is a ham, or someone in the Red Cross that handles communications. You will find there is much more going on than is ever mentioned in the press.

  16. Re:Why so slow to react? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If they had communications from the disaster, why did it take the international community a week to react. Why did Australia just start sending its ships? Why did the USA helicopters just arrive in Sri Lanka today?

    Radio travels at the speed of light. Ships and helicopters travel at the speed of bureaucracy.

    Next question.

  17. Re:Why so slow to react? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 5, Insightful
    1. The full extent wasn't (and still isn't) known.
    2. Maybe the aussies actually had to load stuff on the ships. You know...stuff that people might need, like medical supplies, water, blankets. Does no good to send empty ships.
    3. It takes quite a while for a carrier battle group (the Abraham Lincoln) to steam several thousand miles. Unless you know of another way to get helicopters and 15,000 navy people across a few thousand miles of open ocean.

    It seems to me you're bitching just to be bitching.

  18. Re:Why so slow to react? by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If they had communications from the disaster, why did it take the international community a week to react.

    You think there are cargo ships and helicopters loaded up 24/7 with crews, appropriate supplies and doctors just waiting for a disaster to strike?

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  19. Early Warning by Yoweigh116 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder if any of these operators were able to contact other costal cities before the wave hit there. I read somewhere that there was somehting like a 2 hour lag between the time the first and last places were hit. Think that would even be enough time to accomplish anything? -Yoweigh

    1. Re:Early Warning by The+Cydonian · · Score: 2, Informative
      When the quake, and later, waves, hit Car Nicobar's Indian Air Force base, the people there immediately sent a wireless missive to their logistical HQ at Tambaram, Madras. The IAF folks at Madras informed their superiors in Delhi who in turn notified the Home Ministry. The trail got lethargic after that; there were apparently faxes, phone calls and such flying around, but little real action on the ground in the mainland, and definitely none to warn, mostly to mobilise aid to the Andaman Islands.

      Essentially, I doubt anyone in the Indian red tape ever imagined that the waves would end up hitting the mainland.

  20. Re:ugh by Spetiam · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When disaster strikes, ham radio is often the only reliable means of communication into and out of the affected area.

    This fact came to mind when I was at school in DC and the Pentagon got hit and they told us not to use the phones unless we absolutely had to, and also when I was in Northern Ohio when that big power failure occurred. I've been meaning to get a ham radio operator's license, and in part it's these emergency situations that have made me decide to at least get licensed for 2 meter. (Not licensed yet, hopefully soon.)

  21. Orlando Sentinel article by FleaPlus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Coincidentally, when I was home for the holidays I saw an article about this in the Orlando Sentinel:

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/ or l-asectsunamiham01010105jan01,1,2331864.story

    It needs a free reg, or bugmenot.com

    It's really amazing what they did. Here's a snippet from the article:

    And with most telephone lines down and cell phones scarce, the ham-radio club's efforts proved invaluable as the scope of the disaster increased day after day.

    The first messages were to let people on the Indian mainland know that those on the island were safe and unharmed.

    A young waiter at Harpole's hotel asked them to get word to his mother in Hyderabad, India, that he was alive and well.

    "We found a ham-radio operator on the mainland, gave the mother's telephone number," Harpole said. Within five minutes a ham operator in Hyderabad called the waiter's mother and relayed the message.

    "He told us the mother was crying with joy," he said.

    Harpole's group cheered and clapped. Word spread quickly across the island, and their work went on for hours and hours.

    When Indian government officials learned of the hamradio operators, they relayed messages for official requests for medicines, water and blankets. Several of the radio operators headed south to Nicobar.

  22. Re:Why so slow to react? by barista · · Score: 3, Informative

    I can't speak about Australia, but for the US helicopters, they are based onboard ships. These ships were making port calls in various Pacific cities. IIRC, the ships were originally bound for the Persian Gulf, but the powers that be decied to send them on a huminatarian mission.

    The ships and helicopters are in the US Navy. They were geared up for a military mission. Once the White House decided to change their mission, they likely had to get provisions for the new mission. Tents, portable generators, etc.

    Also, ships are not planes. While they can sail 24/7, they can still only go about 30 knots per hour (approx.). This works out to 720 nautical miles per day. Not very far on a global scale.

    So, figure a day or two for the government to get it's head out, another day or to for reprovisioning, and a few more days sailing time, you get a week (approx).

    /former Seabee

  23. Re:Que the griping about data over powerlines: by kc8apf · · Score: 4, Informative

    Right, but the side receiving the signals from those in the disaster area aren't in a disaster area. BPL noise interferes with the reception of the emergency traffic.

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  24. Re:Why so slow to react? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If they had communications from the disaster, why did it take the international community a week to react. Why did Australia just start sending its ships? Why did the USA helicopters just arrive in Sri Lanka today?

    Well do you suppose they just have big old ships full of disaster relief supplies sitting dockside in Australia? Or do you suppose that they have to be fueled, loaded up (once they figure out what types of supplies will be needed) and sent on the way?

    Does the United States have helicopters that can make trans-oceanic crossings? Or do you suppose that maybe they have to operate off some sort of vessel? Might that vessel have to travel close enough to where relief supplies are needed so that the helicopters can make round trips to deliver muliple loads of supplies? Or do you expect that just sending the helicopters on a one way trip with a single load of supplies would be sufficient?

    Have you stopped to consider that delivering relief supplies to disaster areas actually takes some thought and organization rather than being done in a chaotic, willy-nilly fashion?

    Were you aware that even though there has been a huge disaster there are still functioning bureaucracies in the affected areas? Bureaucracies that expect i's to be dotted, t's to be crossed and the proper clearances obtained and the correct forms filled out in triplicate? Were you aware that a licence is required to import medicines into India and that the requirement is not being waved even in light of the huge disaster?

    Apparently you haven't really considered these things or else you'd know that relief is actually being provided pretty damn fast on an international scale. If you want to offer any criticism on the tardiness of relief efforts then I suggest you look to the governments a little bit closer to the disaster areas as they are the ones who are properly positioned to provide immediate relief and are therefore the ones who are most responsible for doing so.

  25. That sure beats... by h4ckintosh · · Score: 3, Funny

    my cell phone carrier

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  26. HAM Radio in disasters by kg4gyt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Amateur radio has been used all over the world many many times during disaster. Hurricanes here in the states, earthquakes, tsunamis, etc. They usually go unnoticed, despite being the only source of communication at times. Severe storm warnings are usually issued after HAMs report, via radio, that there is in fact a severe storm (after undergoing training of course). Without us even knowing it they can be a huge part of our daily lives.

    Its good to see that such a useful, threatened hobby can show one of its many goodsides to the world by helping out.

    73 de kg4gyt
  27. Re:Another good reason for BPL....Build It. by mvsopen · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I can't even get sub-standard parts from Radio Shack any longer, asthey no longer stock "hard to sell" items. Their new motto appears to be "You've got questions? We've got cell phones."

    I miss the smell of a hot soldering iron. And my 3 DSW & SmallWonder Lab radios all worked the first time. *

    Rich (* = But my degrees are in English Lit, Rhetoric, and Composition Theory ;)

  28. Andaman and Nicobar were off limits for years by isdnip · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The only reason the Andaman and Nicobar Islands were so familiar to me was because of ham radio. They're well known for being off limits to ham radio operators. I don't know why -- India's had lots of hams for years on the mainland, but they wouldn't let anyone do those islands. So they remained "rare ones" to the main DX award hunters. Hams have been going on "DXpeditions" to rare countries for years, sometimes financed by DXers looking for the contact and QSL card, and it was in the 1960s that I read some travelogues which mentioned trying and failing to get permission to go to "VU4". What's on those islands anyway? (Or what was?)

    It's a fortunate coincidence that Charly finally got permission to operate there only a short time before the tsunami!

    1. Re:Andaman and Nicobar were off limits for years by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 4, Informative

      Some parts of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands are home to tribes that have had very little contact with the outside world and who have little or no natural immunity against the illnesses that most of the rest of us take for granted.

      They've had cases where vast swathes of these tribes have been wiped out by things like measles, influenza, etc, with recorded instances of deadly outbreaks as far back as the 18th and 19th centuries.

      Hence, for their own protection, access to those people has been limited. I guess it's easier to spot a fair-skinned Westerner as being an outsider and avoid them accordingly than it is to do the same with mainland Indians who share similar complexions. Even so, you need a permit to visit the islands, and that's why.

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    2. Re:Andaman and Nicobar were off limits for years by joseph_dcruz · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've been working on a project in the A&N Islands the last couple of years so I know a bit about this: There are a couple of reasons the islands have been off-limits. The main one is defence security. If you look at a map of the Indian Ocean, the A&N Islands are at the opposite corner of the ocean from mainland India - much closer to Thailand, Indonesia and Malaysia. As a result a significant chunk of India's navy and air force are stationed there - think forward positioning. One of the first major casualties of the tsunami was the Indian Air Force base on Car Nicobar islands in the extreme south, which was totally wiped out. Even now, foreigners are allowed to visit the northern Andamans, but are prevented from travelling to the southern Nicobars unless they have special permission. Protecting the native tribes is a much less significant concern. There are around 300-400k mainland Indians living in the Andamans now (plus a bunch of migrant Burmese and Bangladeshis) so preventing the transmission of diseases isn't really an issue anymore, with the possible exception of the 200-odd Sentinelese living on North Sentinel Island.

  29. Q: How likely?? by the_rajah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A: Very likely. Contrary to your belief, it does not require that Joe Ham have a lot of power or a huge antenna on a tower to communicate with the other side of the world. Nor does it require repeaters on the HF frequencies.

    I've been an FCC licensed Ham since 1958 at age 12 and operate only with low power (QRP to us hams) as a challenge precisely because making long distance contacts was too easy with even moderate power (say 100 watts) and modest wire antennas. I've communicated directly with Japan and New Zealand from my car in Illinois using a 4 watt transmitter and a 4 foot antenna on the trunk. If you get up to around 100 Watts and a reasonable wire antenna hung up in the trees in the back yard, you can very easily talk anywhere in the world, given reasonable conditions.

    What good is it from the other end? I was with Project Hope in Tunisia in 1969 and provided daily "phone-patched" phone call service to the staff of about 150 people so they could stay in touch with their families back home, without having to pay the $13.00 for the first 3 minutes that the landline cost. It made a huge difference to the people on the hospital ship. In disaster situations, it's orders of magnitude more important. Some of my fellow hams here in the states provided similar communications for military and Antarctic bases for years.

    To learn more about Amateur Radio, visit the ARRL website. ARRL Oh, and please, please, do not lump us in with CB folks, as nice as some of them are. Hams are tested and licensed to FCC standards prior to being allowed to put their transmitters on the air.

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  30. Re:ugh by anagama · · Score: 2, Interesting

    • These cell towers don't run off of 12V DC, and even if they did, the power from one battery (or even 5) isn't gonna cut it.

    Here is an example of how completely innadequate car batteries would be. I have a kiln/studio that until recently, had no power. I used a 12v deep cycle battery to power an inverter, light bulb (high efficiency flourescent), and a mini-itx based computer. If I ran only the light, I would get about 12 hours usuage before my charge fell below 50%. - that's when running nothing but a 40 watt bulb! Turn on the computer and I'd be done in 6 hours.

    Electricity is like some magical mystical entity that never runs out as long as you are pulling it off a plug. But when you have to make your own, you realize just how precious it is. My battery must weigh about 50 pounds - lugging that home for charging made me very conservative about my power consumption.
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  31. Ham Radio used often. by phlatulance · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From my experience, it is almost common for public service to ask the help of Ham radio operators in time of crisis. My local county and state OEM requires them for storm spotting. They might not be the first on the scene, but they will endure and are more flexable than any other form of communications. Talk to fire fighters, police, and other public service personel that served during the wildfires in the west, 9/11 in NYC, and various other disasters. Hams put their lives on hold to help others. The take thousands of dollars of their gear to remote location and provide a service free of charge. All they ask is some respect and bandwidth to "play radio." I think its more important than broadband to remote locations.

  32. This Leads to A Question... by Digitus1337 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What ever happened to the Emergency Broadcasting System during the attacks on September 11? Is it reserved for a tsunami (or other natural disaster)? We get bugged in the middle of all of our programs and yet when we need it it doesn't go off. PS. I happen to attend the University of Central Florida. Go Knights!

  33. Re:Why so slow to react? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 3, Insightful
    What you'd want is some kind of fleet of aircraft/helicopters located at strategic points around the globe,

    This already exists, more or less. Most countries have their own military, with aircraft and helicopters. What you propose would have to be a fleet every 500 miles or so, all the way around the planet. Helicopters are notoriously shortlegged. And quite often, they are the only thing that can get to the affected area. No runways exist, or are left after the disaster.

    In this case, such a fleet would have been more useful for evacuation purposes. Seismographs recorded the earthquakes long before the tsunami hit populated areas.

    Radio and telephone are far faster. And efforts were made in this case, to little effect.

    No transport systems existed in those areas to get people out, but a first response system may have been able to get some out and deliver warnings to others. Enough that perhaps we'd be seeing death rates a tenth (or less) of those we actually have.

    How many people can you evacuate via helicopter? 20 each? How many helicopters to evacuate 100,000 people in an hour?

  34. Re:What's Truly Sad.. by ProfMoriarty · · Score: 4, Informative

    One thing that you do NOT realize ... BPL *WILL* kill effective long range communication. Making it MUCH MORE difficult to help out in a situation like this. BPL raised the noise floor from being able to hear a weak signal (less than 5 watts) ... to not being able to hear a station booming out with 1500 watts and a highly directional beam. THIS is why its brought up ... to shed light and attention to it. Since the FCC has given BPL a green light, we'll have to see how effective Hams are in the future, hopefully, as in the past, Hams will push the technology forward and overcome this roadblock. PS, yes, I am a Ham ... and the above scenario is sensationalized ... but a possibility

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  35. Salvation Army Team Emergency Radio Network by REDSECTOR1 · · Score: 2, Informative


    The Sally-Ann are there too ... and what would we ever do without them ...

    http://satern.org/response.html/

    Donate to them here:

    http://www.salvationarmy.org/

  36. As the original submitter... by SonicSpike · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would like to mention several things:

    1) There is no better time to point out the effects of a technology than when it is being used during a crisis! In 5 years (assuming there isn't another crisis of this magnitude) people will largely forget about ham radio and its function especially as an emergency communications network. Now is a GREAT time to launch a PR campaign of awareness and information about the art and hobby of ham radio. (if you notice though I didn't mention BPL in my article because I didn't want it to be the main focus of things). I guarentee you that thousands, if not millions, are exceptionally appreciative of ham radio at the moment.

    2) A lot of /.'ers have already posted their sympathy and condolences about this tragic situation. Don't believe me?
    Read this:
    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/28 /012024 0&tid=99
    and this:
    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/31 /001620 6&tid=99

    3) This is /. We are about technology and technical things. Discussing communication technology, people who use it, methodology, functionality, and even the human side of it is perfectly within the realm of informative speech.

    4) I bet that the doctors and EMTs over in that area are discussing their professional and technical perspectives of the disaster among their collegues. Why? Because they want to learn and exchange information. So are the structual engineers, and the civil engineers, and city planners etc...

    No one is saying that this is not a very tragic situation. But with the free exchange of information and objective discussion perhaps better methods of communication or preperation could be devised to help save more lives or maybe to ease the burden next time.

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  37. Only slightly off-topic... by evilviper · · Score: 3, Insightful

    On the topic of Ham radios during disasters, I would like to bring up something that annoys me to no end...

    Why in the hell is it that emergency services aren't equipt to handle anything but a normal day? When some idiots have assault weapons and body armor, police are practically helpless (they got lucky, actually). When there is anything larger than a house fire, firefighters don't have the equipment, training, numbers, etc. When there are real emergencies, police, firefigters and ambulance services don't have any working and practical communications equipment at all. It seems the more developed our country becomes, the more emergency services depend on the very infrastructure that will be first to fail when it's really needed...

    It's clear that local (city/county, sometimes state) governments are to blame. They cause flood damage by approving roads to be built, but don't account for drainage, and allow homes to be built in the obvious path of flood waters. In the worst areas, they may even build storm-drains, but do nothing to keep they clear, rending them completely useless wastes of money. Emergency services in flood-prone areas never seem to have the equipment that would make it easy to perform the necessary rescues, meaning people die, money is wasted, etc.

    They allow homes to be built near wooded areas, prone to major fires, and don't do the slightest bit of maintenance on those areas to prevent major fires. I've heard of only one city in Southern California that spends a small ammount of money to clear brush, why don't the rest? Firefighters are helpless against forrest-fires, and yet, the preventative controlled burns (the method previously used) have even been stopped.

    Hospitals are now (finally) required to have a generator, but only required to have enough capacity to stay up for a short time (a couple days IIRC) when blackouts can last far longer. Besides hospitals, emergency services depend greatly on the power grid, and rarely have the generators they need (typically short-term battery power) so they are the least able to handle emergencies, when they are needed THE MOST.

    The point of all of this is simple... What the hell is the good of having a local government, if they aren't taking care of the real necessities? Local governments are needed for the very things they are now neglecting to do, so why not get rid of them all-together? The basic things can be handled by the state government anyhow (police, fire, medical, schools, etc) so if we aren't going to be well-served by local governments, why keep them on as a leech, taking our tax dollars and spending them on trivial things few of us want, and most of us feel like we are getting ripped-off by?

    Personally, of course I would prefer if local governments would just start doing their jobs, but since that's not happing, I'd like to see them abolished, rather than keeping the status-quo. What good are they, as is?

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    1. Re:Only slightly off-topic... by evilviper · · Score: 2, Informative
      If every fire station had HAZMAT equipment, communications equipment, etc. the cost would be prohibitive

      Nice straw-man there.

      I've individually listed many things local governments should be doing... Some of which COST NOTHING, and most of which have a very minimal cost associated with them...

      How about not changing zoning to allow houses near a flood channel? How about not paying to install storm drains if you don't intend to keep them clear? How about spending a few hundred dollars ONCE to get a generator to power the central radio tower, or buying them radios powerful enough to communicate without needing the central tower? How about spending a minimal ammount of money on clearing brush in and around the forrests? How about just allowing fire departments to occasionally back-burn like they used-to?
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    2. Re:Only slightly off-topic... by evilviper · · Score: 2, Informative
      Local governments aren't prepared for this sort of thing because it's an emergency. An emergency, by definition is an unusal unexpected event.

      Fine, then it's not an emergency, because the same "emergencies" happen every few years... Major floods, major fires, power outages, etc.

      Keeping excessive capacity is expensive as are preventative measures that may or may not do any good.

      You seem to be intentionally vague here. You think that not allowing homes to be built where there are regular floods/fires may not do any good? Come on now.

      People get all excited about things when a major emergency happens, but a few years later the same people get upset because the government is "wasting" our money.

      People rarely get upset about spending money on emergency services. Spending lots of money on trivial things is the problem.

      You can only prepare so much

      Absolutely right. And in everything I've seen, local governments aren't preparing AT ALL, so they're nowhere near reaching the edge of effectiveness.

      local governments are important because they are much more reactive to the everyday local needs of the people then state or federal governments.

      That is certainly their role, and I've tried to point out that they are being vastly unresponsive to the needs of the people. They SHOULD be doing things like making zoning ordanances that keep houses out of areas prone to flooding and fire, but they aren't. When they AREN'T doing a HUGE portion of what they SHOULD be doing, why keep them around?

      Should I have to travel to my state capital becasue I want a zoning change to let me build a tool shed on my property?

      No, you should send in letters instead.

      If I disagree with an ordinance it is a simple matter to go before the city council or mayor and argue my case.

      Have you ever had a need to do so? I've never been bothered by ordinances in the slightest. In fact, things which should only be handlede at the local level (like leash laws) are state laws here, so you would have to dispute pretty much anything important in the state capitol, anyhow.

      Besides, I'm not necessarily saying we should transfer everything over to the state. Perhaps just getting rid of city governments, and transfering control to counties would be good enough.

      Turning local government control over to the state just means all the current locally elected politician who pretty much have to listen to you (because at that level individual votes matter) with bureacrats chosen by someone half the state away.

      Yes, they aren't forced to listen to you, and they can't be pushed around by local companies either. Besides, what can your local government do for you? Put up some signs around town? They have very little control as it is, and they are doing that oh-so-poorly that I think the county or state level couldn't possibly do the job any worse.
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    3. Re:Only slightly off-topic... by evilviper · · Score: 2, Informative
      By the time the fuel for the generator runs out it should have been refueled by contractors with tank trucks full of gasoline and/or diesel fuel...

      That's fine if it's a heavy-duty generator, but from what I've heard of hospitals and power failures, they buy units that actually can't handle more than a couple days of constant operation at they loads they require. ie. It's not a fuel issue.
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  38. An Incorrect Report by afarhan · · Score: 3, Informative
    The report that a US amateur was on the island is completely incorrect.

    The DXpedition was under the Aegis of National Institute of Amateur Radio (India) and it was lead by Ms. Bharati (VU2RBI), an Indian. I know this, because I saw them off to Nicobar islands a few weeks ago and I have been monitoring their traffic over the last week. They are due back on the mainland today sometime. Read the list of the the operators and the ARRL's version

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  39. Re:NASA was a terrific investment by my_fake_account · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Can you imagine a 500% return on your investment in the business world?"

    Yes, I can.

    Let's see, the space race heated up in what... 1957?

    And this study was done when? 1987? 1997?

    Did they go back even further to the WWII rocket research?

    500% over what time period?

  40. Same happened in August 17,1999 Istanbul one by Ilgaz · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, in fact its not Istanbul quake but known as that.

    We lost everything. Well, we have a very very good operator, Turkcell GSM but at one point, they were useless.

    TR ham radio guys showed up and practically handled all communications of disaster area.

    I think it must be same in USA etc, some major stations are assigned by goverment if some major disaster happens.

    For more info: http://www.amatortelsiz.com/english/engindex.html

  41. Re:Morse Code by RealBeanDip · · Score: 2, Informative

    > But did they use Morse Code?

    I think you're a troll... but...

    I'm fairly certain that in an emergency you can use whatever mode of transmitting you like in any segment of the band. I'm not certain of this, but I'm sure someone here can tell us for sure.

    Regardless, I would think that CW would be the best mode of operation due to the fact that you could use less transmitting power (and conserve your battery) and still get through.

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  42. Ha! Eat THAT one, Time Magazine! by KC7GR · · Score: 2, Insightful

    An article on blogging, as contained in the Dec. 27th issue of 'Time' magazine, made a reference to ham radio as a "faintly embarassing" hobby.

    I wonder if the operators of that station find it so? Especially since they're providing a most valuable service that the (supposedly) much tougher public infrastructure failed to?

    The same thing happened with the Nisqually Quake in 2001. Within minutes after the shocks subsided, landline phones and cellphone networks alike were overwhelmed into non-functionality.

    Guess what stayed up and working through the whole affair? Yep. Ham radio VHF and UHF repeaters, and HF nets.

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