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Reinventing the Wheel

bob zee sent in this link about reinventing the wheel, err, tweel, err, whatever. Wheels are an interesting challenge in engineering design: they need to be hard to be durable, soft for a smooth ride, grippy to grab the road, but smooth to reduce rolling resistance, flexible to absorb shocks, yet stiff to reduce heat build-up, and so on. Rubber tires are a relatively recent invention.

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  1. Wrong Direction? by fembots · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the article (and test) is accurate, almost nothing's good about this Tweel, but let's not give up hope yet. If lobbysts have their way, a new noise-reduction pad and better suspension will be "invented" so that problems like noise and feel of a coarse road surface (introduced by this Tweel) can be eliminated.

    It's like somebody created an OS, but it's full of security holes, fear not, we can always create software like firewall and anti-virus to solve those problems.

    1. Re:Wrong Direction? by pz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1) It Weighs More - and that weight has a huge impact because rolling mass is much more difficult to move

      The materials they used are proof-of-concept, rather than advanced. With the tweel design, automotive engineers will be liberated from the traditional axle-into-hub design, and the tweel can mount directly on the axle, eliminating the heavy metallic wheel.

      2) More Friction - Again, a drop in efficency due to difficult in rolling the wheel

      Materials. I'm impressed that they got to within 5% at the first go-around!

      3) More Expensive - No longer a need for "expensive" tire pressure monitoring systems (which probably aren't all that expensive, although they are sometimes troublesome) and you don't have to replace your tires as often, but if the tweels cost 3x as much, there is no saving here

      Scale of manufacturing will solve that.

      4) Noise - No one likes loud tires

      Again, materials. Recall that traditional tires have thousands upon thousands upon thousands of man-years of development!

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    2. Re:Wrong Direction? by Martin+Blank · · Score: 3, Insightful

      if the tweels cost 3x as much, there is no saving here

      If they last 3x as long (as the article suggests they might) then it balances out, and there is at least a possibility of savings of time from not having to change the tires as often, not to mention the lower volume of scrap material.

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    3. Re:Wrong Direction? by Franklin+Pierce · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Other negatives:

      Uses a small percentage of the total volume of the tyre to support and cushion.

      I mean, seriously, solid tyre hoo-ha surfaces every decade or two with the regularity of a herpes outbreak only to fade into the obscurity it deserves. Pneumatic tyres are that way for a reason, and it's called a compromise between simplicity, light-weight, and performance. You can only sacrifice so much in one direction before it becomes simply unacceptable.

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  2. Reinventing the wheel... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What a novel idea! Better apply for a US Patent! (hurry, or someone else will and sue you for infringement)

  3. Two words by Dh2000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Snow Crash

  4. Re:Wheels? by MikeXpop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In all fairness, this really isn't reinventing the wheel. The Tweel is still a wheel. They did reinvent the tire though.

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  5. Re:horrible aerodynamic drag on paddle-wheel tires by sreid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    my bet is that it's a cutout to show you how it's made inside, if not they could put this on off road vehicles treading water

  6. Re:horrible aerodynamic drag on paddle-wheel tires by mOoZik · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are you an idiot? No, seriously. That was a CUTOUT so you could see what it looks like inside! Do you think any engineer would be so stupid to design a tire like that? If it didn't have a cutout, someone as ignorant as you would proclaim that it looks no different than a typical radial!

  7. Re:Seriously guys by zeus_tfc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I got one Dec 18th (this last one), at 2:00 in the afternoon, and had to change the tire in sub-zero temperatures. I couldn't get warm for the rest of the day. Then I tried to get it fixed that day so that I didn't have to drive to work the next day on one of those donuts. Unfortunately, noone was open because it was Sunday.

    I could do without going through that again.

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  8. Why? by gone.fishing · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe I'm just getting old and crochety but why do we want to reinvent the wheel? It seems to me that the current technology is more than adequate and has advantages that the tweel will never match. First, I can buy wheels, and tires that meet my needs and offer combinations of style, price, and performance that would take many, many different stock numbers of tweels to even approximate! Second, the modest tire is a proven comfortable technology. Frankly, it would be hard to sell me on something else.

    I drive a 4X4 with what I would describe as very modest tires that carry a 60,000 mile rating! They cost less than $150/tire installed and they are running on "alloy wheels" which came from the factory. For less than $600 I can replace them and run them for another 60,000 miles which equates to almost four years of my daily use! That is a negligible cost when you think about it.

    My tires perform just fine on dry pavement, dirt roads, snow-covered roads and even on wet roadways. Hell, I don't hardly think of them which when you think about it, is about the best compliment that you can pay tires.

    My tire dealer gives me free rotation of the tires and it does them good too because I always get an oil change and safety check when I come in for a rotation. So, to me, in essence my current tires are all but maintence free.

    This has been my experience for years and years. Tires have become that good. Why would you want to give up this kind of reliability? I can't think of one good reason.

  9. Designed for throw-a-way car market by PyrotekNX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In the not too far future, cars will basically be designed like a cheap printer. When it breaks you will just throw it away and buy a new one.

    The cars will be made out of mostly composites and plastics. This means that you will need to hire a specialist to do even the most minor repairs.

    Every aspect of the car will be electronically controlled and monitored and you will need special equipment to even begin troubleshooting the numerous electrical problems that will crop up. There will be so many electronic controls that if there is an electrical problem; basically it's non-repairable.

    Many car manufacturers are planning on sealing up the engine compartment and the engine itself. New super-lubricants are developed to last the 'life' of the car. (Previously on Slashdot)

    The Tweel fits into the same category. The major gripes of it are that it incorporates the tire, rim, and hub all into 1 package. When something like this goes mainstream, forget about custom wheels. Right now there is a big market and all sorts of different tires available for the consumer. If there is a specialized product like the tweel, then it would basically be a monopoly.
    The pneumatic tire has been around for 100 years and it has been constantly improved for the entire time. There is very little growing room for the tweel.

    Current models are heavier than a standard wheel. This increases the rolling mass which makes it harder to accelerate and stop. They will eventually get old and with all the stress they are likely to fail and collapse. Plastics become brittle with age and with all the stress they would be taking will cause them to fail and cause a nasty accident.

    The new marketing strategy of the throw-a-way car will claim it's safer and more fuel efficient because of the weight savings. It will eventually lead to having to recycle your car about every 10 years.