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Microsoft Eyes PeopleSoft Customers

An anonymous reader writes "According to a couple articles, Microsoft has announced an intent to pick up some of the PeopleSoft customers currently fleeing from possible support contract increases and an uncertain future. What does it mean for the landscape of the ERP market if Microsoft starts being more competitive with its Axapta product?"

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  1. It's because... by gardyloo · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...those people are so soft and squishy.

    1. Re:It's because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      least sence made in one post award for 2005

      Do you realize the irony of your comment?

  2. PeopleSoft customers... by sjrstory · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own!

  3. Umm, yeah! by hendridm · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news, SuSe eyes Redhat customers, Carl Jrs eyes McDonalds' customers, and Bubs' Concessions Stand eyes Kmart customers.

  4. hidden clause? by frogger01 · · Score: 5, Funny
    people soft's hidden ELUA line:

    "at any point we could be bought out by microsoft and your customer service could cease to exsist."

    that'll learn all you blind-accept-button-pushers

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  5. Microsoft? ERP? by Michael+Hunt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What ERP software does Microsoft have which is even capable of playing in this space? The products they acquired after the Great Plains acquisition certainly aren't (speaking as somebody who had to administer said package for several years in the early 21st century.)

    One presumes MS know what they're doing, but this is certainly a weird gambit.

  6. competition is good, usually by crimethinker · · Score: 3, Interesting
    In general, if Microsoft is more competitive with its products, that will force PeopleSoft to improve theirs, or stop gouging for support contracts, or whatever.

    However, based on MS's past behaviours, I think we can look forward to a "good enough" replacement for PeopleSoft to be built into the next version of Windows. MS will forbid OEM's to remove it because they don't want a "confusing user experience." Oh, and it will increase the "Microsoft tax" on your new PC that you were only going to load Linux on.

    Don't get me wrong - I like competition, but I like fair competition, based on merits. It reminds me of my high-school football team; the football was some sort of "regulation size and colour," and so the high school chose its school colours such that one of them matched the ball colour perfectly. When we played home games, we got to pick whether we would wear the light or the dark-coloured jerseys, and of course, we chose the ones that matched the ball. It made it very difficult for the other players to tell who had the ball, and made diversionary fakes a lot easier. When we played away, our opponents would choose the dark colour, so that our team wore the light (and very contrasting) colour jerseys. Net result? We won a lot more home games, and by higher margins. Hardly what I'd call "fair."

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    1. Re:competition is good, usually by bablooo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      However, based on MS's past behaviours, I think we can look forward to a "good enough" replacement for PeopleSoft to be built into the next version of Windows. MS will forbid OEM's to remove it because they don't want a "confusing user experience." Oh, and it will increase the "Microsoft tax" on your new PC that you were only going to load Linux on.

      You have no idea what business PeopleSoft is in do you?

      PeopleSoft makes Enterprise Resource Planning software. Microsoft has very little to compete in this segment of business. The big king here is SAP, the German ERP software maker that has 29% of the market. Oracle has bought PeopleSoft after 18 months of intense and hostile negotiation. Microsoft is eyeing PeopleSoft customers for it's Microsoft Business Solutions productline - which is hardly competition in near future.

    2. Re:competition is good, usually by curious.corn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Try plugging in a MuVo in an Apple machine running iTunes.

      Uh, oh! Surprise, it works! It even has it's own little icon (of course it's a brown little turd compared to the shiny white iPod icon)!
      Poor thing, it asks me to sync all my library with the MuVo (it won't fit dear!) So I manage the playlists manually... and it works! Sheesh, would you believe it? Out of the box, no drivers, no frills... just the Apple experience, with the competition's hardware.
      Oh, it can't play m4a and m4p... but, hey! the MuVo doesn't support it in the first place... should Apple flash it (if it were possible) on the fly to give it a chance against the iPod?
      In any case, wasn't the iTMS a device to increase iPod sales? So tell me, why is iTunes integration working so well with competing hardware? Come on, I'm listening... can't hear you...

      [... silence ...]

      You see... the iPod is simply unbeatable... it just works, Apple doesn't need sleazy tactics to help the bottom line. It floats on its own.

      About Google... well, you can use askjeeves... or altavista... why aren't you? Perhaps because they don't hold a candle against almighty google? Thought so...

      M$ on the other hand KILLED BeOS (amongst other things) ... them bastards! I'll never forgive them for such a crime...

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    3. Re:competition is good, usually by AstroDrabb · · Score: 3, Insightful
      However, based on MS's past behaviours, I think we can look forward to a "good enough" replacement for PeopleSoft to be built into the next version of Windows.
      Huh? There is no way that MS would include a CRM solution in the next version of MS Windows. Good CRM solutions take a long time to build with a lot of customer feedback. MS' CRM solution cost them a lot of cash, MS is not just going to throw that into their next server release.

      The MS CRM offering doesn't come close to PeopleSoft or SAP. I am a senior programmer for a fortune 500 with 140,000 employees. We recently finished a _very_ long deployment of PeopleSoft HR and PeopleSoft Portal. We looked at what MS had to offer and it didn't even come close. We looked at SAP and we looked at Oracle. All of our mission critical data is in Oracle and the not-to-important-data is in SQL Server or a few MySQL databases. We were actually leaning toward Oracle's product (because we use it as our critical DB), however they didn't have a few _very_ important functionalities that we need for our HR processes, so that left PeopleSoft and SAP.

      Converting your whole HR/payroll process (especially when you pay 140,000+ employees every week) to any other system takes a ton of time and a ton of cash. We spent tens of millions on these two systems. There is no way in the world we would redo everything in an MS product.

      Our systems are running great. We are about 2 versions behind on the latest PeopleSoft releases. We will probably just upgrade to the last PeopleSoft release and leave it alone. Every upgrade costs tons of money and time.

      There is also the fact that were I work, all of our financial data and warehouse is _only_ in Oracle. Will the MS product allow you to work with a non-SQL Server DB (I doubt it)? There is no chance in H-E-L-L that we would take our critical data out of Oracle and put it in MS SQL Server. Then there is the issue of what technology MS built their system on. It has been out for a while, so I will assume it is in old ASP? No thank, we don't want that crap on our network. Java or ASP.Net/C# only please.

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    4. Re:competition is good, usually by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well there are some slight differences.

      First Microsoft vs. Apple Ipod. The I Pod is a Music Player. Although Nice to have it is not a necessity to most peoples everyday life. While Microsoft windows has became more of an infrastructure to daily life for home and business it is much like the telephone system now. People need to write papers and more accept the .DOC format then a PDF. Go to the store almost all the programs are for Windows. Anyone who makes a product that would compete with Microsoft direction Microsoft will make people fear their product or force manufactures to drop it. While it is getting better we still need Microsoft to complete parts of our lives. While we can listen to music in many different ways.

      Microsoft vs. Google. Windows Cost money to legally operate, Word costs money. Google is a free service. If a better services comes along people would switch. It is also a thing that we are not forced to use google at most work places. You are free to go to yahoo or others.

      In some ways you are right the reason is that Apple and Google haven't been sued for antitrust suits yet. But the reason is that they haven't been sued is because they haven't broken any anti-trust laws. Having 90% market share alone doesn't make you a monopoly. Having 90% market share and actively stopping consumers from switching is.

      Think of this senerio...
      GM has 90% of the market share of cars. But the other 10% are using other consumers. Ok GM is just a popular car. But if they switched to Ford they will still be able to ride the same roads fill at the same gas station.

      But if GM was like Microsoft, The majority of the infrastructure roads, gas stations will only work for GM cars, And if the competitor made there vehecials compatible they will get sued out of business because of 1 GMs size and 2 they own the rights on all the specs so making a copy will break patented etc.

      So the other cars will end up more expensive to run because they are forced to drive around the GM infrastructure.

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    5. Re:competition is good, usually by ckaminski · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Once you get past the OS and the Internet Information Server, MS has ZERO hold on the horizontal server enterprise application market, so any competition they can bring is by definition "fair". As fair as anything Oracle and SAP will let them get away with. If it brings costs down for the end-user, that's only good for the end-user.

    6. Re:competition is good, usually by generic-man · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was under the impression that Apple killed BeOS. Be Inc. wanted the specs on the G3 (G4?) processor, and Apple wouldn't let Be create a commercial operating system that would run on Apple hardware.

      I invested in Be Inc., and I've learned my lesson from the experience. Never invest in a company run by a crazy Frenchman like Jean-Louis Gassée.

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  7. Choose open source ERP by iPaqMan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Corporations loath vendor lock-in as much as you or I. Why haven't open source ERP packages, like compiere (http://www.compiere.org/), taken off???

    1. Re:Choose open source ERP by bstadil · · Score: 3, Informative
      Why haven't open source ERP packages, like compiere (http://www.compiere.org/), taken off???

      One reason is that until very recently you needed Oracle DB to run Compiere. There is a slew of new FOOS DB's in the works for Compiere most interesting it Fyracle the Oracle Mode Firebird

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    2. Re:Choose open source ERP by Michael+Hunt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Whilst corporations loathe vendor lockin, they love accoutability, especially for huge, towering vertical monoliths of software packages such as ERPs.

      If my ERP breaks, I don't have time to read mailing lists and ask in IRC channels for somebody to help me write a patch. I want a butt connected with my boot, preferably somebody senior representing the vendor, and then I want a fix available in a time which meets my SLA.

      Anything less is unacceptable.

    3. Re:Choose open source ERP by killjoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To be more precise people love the illusion of accountability. If your ERP breaks peoplesoft will not do anything for you. You will though get to blame them to the board and they won't hear you cos they are sleeping or scheming to rip off the shareholders.

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    4. Re:Choose open source ERP by grozzie2 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The reality is, you want somebody to blame, so you can pass the buck. If you were truely interested in a cost effective solution, you would take 1/3 of the monthly support payments you send to peoplesoft, and use it to support folks on the open source projects. No more reading mailing lists, and no more begging for help in irc channels, you have knowledgable, expert support, merely a phone call or email away. When there is a problem, you'll probably get a fix slipstreamed within 24 hours, vs what you get from ps, a series of meetings, evaluation, and then a decision if they will bother to fix or not, and if they do, a schedule for deployment sometime in the next quarter.

      Never ceases to amaze me how many folks want commercial grade support, for open source products, but, want it for free. Folks serious about using open source, pay monthly retainers to open source developers. For that, they get industrial grade software, with lots of input to the development direction, and in general, support is only a phone call or email away.

  8. "Microsoft Eyes Peoplesoft Customers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny


    That's like saying 'serial killer eyes next victim.'

  9. Re:Microsoft? ERP? by cbelt3 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yeah sure. Like they did so well with Microsoft Money. Let's face it- they don't know beans about financial software, much less ERP. And they don't have the galactic network of partners and pimps like the other bigs do. So they'll jump in, lose their assets, and jump out. Like they always do. Windows, Office. That's pretty much it.

  10. Common sense? by moz25 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't see what's special about this... it makes normal business sense to pick up customers that may be becoming available... it's not even typically unethical in my opinion.

  11. As a user of both Microsoft & Peoplesoft produ by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hmmm... with Microsoft web products, I often get 500 errors.

    My employeer launched their new Peoplesoft HR website last month, and I 500 errors every couple of clicks...

    So, since MS is really good at serving 500 errors, I'm sure they will be an excellent replacement for Peoplesoft's products.

  12. 'scuse you. by Soko · · Score: 3, Funny

    "ERP".

    Bill, excuse yourself after you eat, please. Gosh. That's not right.

    Soko

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  13. Oracle has nothing to worry about... by EnVisiCrypt · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...until Microsoft chooses a more pronounceable name than "Axapta".

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  14. I for one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...applaud our new ERP overlords. The current players in the field are a blight on the entire IT industry. Has anyone EVER seen a large ERP deployment come in anywhere close to budget, schedule or requirements? This whole sector represents the absolute worst of IT consulting: unfulfilled promises, bloated billings, incompetent staff and crap products. As far as I can tell, the big players keep getting these contracts simply because they are the biggest and not because they have ever produced anything worthwhile.

    At best, I consider MS to provide a good prototyping environment and an acceptable, if buggy, desktop. That said, even their products would be a great improvement over the state of that particular sector and it seems that only IBM and MS are big enough to convince the PHBs that they are viable alternatives.

  15. PeopleSoft by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 4, Funny
    Anything is better than PeopleSoft. My school rolled out a system developed by PeopleSoft to handle course registration and enrollment, and it's undoubtedly the WORST piece of shit I've every used -- and I've used Microsoft Works!

    I hope PeopleSoft is wiped from the earth. I'd take Microsoft's unpleasant, buggy software over PeopleSoft's completely unusable atrocities any day.

  16. Re:PeopleSoft? Axapta? by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Am I the only one left who has no fucking clue what PeopleSoft is

    This is PeopleSoft:

    You're looking for a job, and each of the potential employeers have a brand new Job website, but they all look strangly familar. You find job you like and decide to apply. You need to register for an account. Ok, type in Username, email address, password, and password again to verify.

    Ok, it's sending an email to you to verify your email address. 5 minutes later, the email isn't there. An hour later you are still waiting. Hmmm... 2 hours later email still isn't there. OK, time to go outside. I'll apply for this job tomorrow.

    Next day, you finally get an email from "Peoplesoft " with your account information. Great!

    You log in, and fill out a couple small forms. Cool! They let you submit your resume and they'll automatically populate the webform using the contents of your resume! Oops! Your resume is in RTF or PDF format and their website only accepts MS Word documents. Fuck... but this is for a Unix sysadmin job. Ok, well I have a pirated version of MS Word around here somewhere...

    So you reformat your resume using MS Word, and submit it to the Resume wizard. Dang, the stupid wizard put your job title as "TheLastCompany IworkedAt, Inc", the company name as "2003, 2004" and it trimmed off the last few lines describing all your job duties... dang I need to fix that up. Maybe it would have been better to type in all this stuff by hand in the first place...

    WHen you're done with all the manual editing and hit the Submit button, you feel like you accomplished something.

    And immediately afterwards, an email is sent to the HR STaff, and PeopleSoft has fucked up the formatting so much it looks worse then the ASCII rendering of the goatse.cx image... the HR assistant prints out your resume and adds it to the stack of 300 other resumes for a dozen different positions.

    Later, you don't aren't considered for the job because you wrote a sentence in proper English like this:


    "Researched, designed and configured web load balancing scheme using Apache webserver."


    Some fucktard got the job instead, because they
    wrote a resume to receive a high score with the keyword "Apache" and "Load balancing", like this:

    "Researched load balancing scheme using Apache webserver"
    "Designed load balancing scheme using Apache webserver"
    "Configured load balancing scheme using Apache webserver"
    "I'ma fucking apache god. APACHE APACHE APACHE APACHE"


    That, my friend, is PeopleSoft.

  17. Kuali Project by flacco · · Score: 3, Interesting
    two universities are working on an "open-ish" source alternative to PeopleSoft:

    http://www.kualiproject.org/

    if a university's going to move off of peoplesoft, and they can stick it out, this might be a safer move than signing in blood with MS.

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  18. Re:Microsoft? ERP? by Plugh · · Score: 4, Funny

    Fleeing the oppressive Oracle to attain the safety of Microsoft seems to me like fleeing oppressive California for the safety of Stalinist Russia.

  19. We use Axapta where I work. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And I have to honestly say it is one of the smelliest turds of a piece of software that I have ever had the displeasure to be saddled with.

    Here's a quick example: you open a list of 1000 items that are displayed in a grid. You want to see the 500th item. You'd think that you just grab the scroll bar and scroll down to the middle, right? WRONG!!! That will take you to about record 20. If you want to go the the 500th item, you'll have to hit PgDn about 100 times. And each time you hit PgDn, you'll have to wait about half a second for the grid to redraw. If you have your doctorate in mathematics you might be able to figure that you're looking at about a minute to just to scroll down a short list of items. Seriously. And it's all like that. I don't know how people write software that badly.

    I've never used Peoplesoft, but I cannot imagine that it is even conceivable that it could be any worse than Axapta.