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IBM Opens Their Patent Portfolio to Open Source

kfiller writes "IBM announced that over 500 of their currently held software patents will be freely available to use for those who are working on open source projects (NY Times, free registration required), with the hope that more companies will do the same. More information is available at SourceLicense."

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  1. Sweet! by dolo666 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    IBM Opens Their Patent Portfolio to Open Source That does it. I'm buying a crapload of IBM stock. One good decision after another... but somehow I feel strange in doing so. How many of you remember when IBM were the bad guys?

    1. Re:Sweet! by ryanjensen · · Score: 1, Interesting
      You invest in aura? Aside from making the Open Source community *really happy*, who else is going to think this is a good idea? How is this going to make IBM any more profitable? What will be Wall Street's reaction when they learn IBM has basically given away most of its IP portfolio?

      Responsible investing in companies that improve society, sure ... but irrationally throwing away your money?

      Ryan

    2. Re:Sweet! by TeachingMachines · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't remember them being bad guys; it was before my time, and probably most others. Linux commercials during NFL games, opening their patent portfolio. Just too much to resist. But, here's the funny thing, what do they actually produce in terms of software? The eclipse project, Websphere, and Lotus Notes? Why do they feel like a has-been? (they aren't, but they feel like KMart or something)

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    3. Re:Sweet! by domenic+v1.0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      IBM giving away its IP portfolio....HARDLY! Read my previous statement regarding IBM's patents. 500 patents is a tiny fraction of the mountain of patents they own.

      This is a very good idea because IBM wants to stem away from guys like this and IP Hoarding companies. You can't sell what everyone has, so in order to protect its patents...IBM is freely distributing it, in effect trying to hit those IP hoarding companies where it hurts. I see stocks rising and money not being thrown away by IBM, but money thats coming to them for investments in their IP. IBM has been in the game a long time folks, and they have been playing the market right and setting market trends for years. I trust them....hell, I even work for them!

    4. Re:Sweet! by DrSkwid · · Score: 1, Interesting


      Let We Forget

      IBM and the Holocaust is the stunning story of IBM's strategic alliance with Nazi Germany -- beginning in 1933 in the first weeks that Hitler came to power and continuing well into World War II. As the Third Reich embarked upon its plan of conquest and genocide, IBM and its subsidiaries helped create enabling technologies, step-by-step, from the identification and cataloging programs of the 1930s to the selections of the 1940s.

      Though, to my mind, the story is as much about being aware of the uses of personal information and how the climate for that use can change *very* quickly.

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  2. Now *that's* cool. Thanks, IBM! by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My only question is, is the license revokable?

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  3. Eclipse, Cloudscape, Patents -what next- Rational? by CypherOz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So next the Rational Tools or DB2?
    Maybe, WebSphere MVS, CICS?
    Where will it all end? ... A company transforming from product oriented to service oriented. Woo Hoo!! and Yippee!!

    IBM building a future - well done.

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  4. sold my soul - read the article by rcpitt · · Score: 3, Interesting
    IBM is either sold on Open Source as "the way of the new millenium" or making hay before the patent paradigm of the old millenium is stabbed in the heart.

    Personally I think they have the idea that software patents are going the way of the dodo and this is the easiest and best way of cashing in on what they have - and they have my vote in the race for smartest global corporation this mellenium.

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    1. Re:sold my soul - read the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And It will be of great interest to see which patents they let out of the box. Have to wonder if there isn't some underlying spite in it all. Suppose: IBM lets a patent out of the box , but Microsoft and perhaps others currently licenses that very same patent? Implies: whatever Microsoft licenses of IBMs patents they still have to pay for, as long as they keep their source closed. Whereas some new OpenSource startup or other gets it for free, as long as they opne the source. Is this away also to force open the hand of the closed source model?

  5. Re:IBM's strategy by Jameth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Other Possible Strategy:

    Make it more difficult for those who only make software to compete with open-source, moving the software realm further to being primarily valuable to solutions companies, of which they are the most successful.

  6. open all patents by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is perfectly reasonable for IBM. In fact, patents require disclosure of the protected invention, if only to prevent unintentional infringement. If software is patented, its searchable nature offers much cheaper avoidance of serendipity, and much easier shopping for potential licensees. Copyright is still the more appropriate protection, with all those same compelling open-source characteristics. But as long as they are playing the patent game, at least IBM is playing fair - with those few patents they're now opening.

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  7. Who is Behind this? by femto · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Surely this has been in the pipline for a long time? Who is behind it?

    Is this something IBM has done of its own accord, or is there an organisation out there (eg. OSDL) driving this? Consequently, is IBM the only company to do this, or are they the first cab off the rank with other companies to follow quickly?

    Anyone have some answers?

  8. On top of what everyone else has said. by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The way the licence is worded (as I understand it anyway) they help protect IBM and other Open Source software. If you use "Open Source software A" with one of IBMs patents in it and decide to leverage your own patents against "Open source software B" then IBM can make life difficult for you by revoking your right to use the patent in software A.

    I guess it's a sort of "mutually assured destruction" which should stop discourage people from firing their lawyers off willy nilly.

    The only thing I can think of is that strictly speaking such a revocable patent licence of any sort might make it unuseable under the current GPL.

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  9. Friend or foe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So IBM is now the hero of the open source community because of 500 patents? Read the press release. IBM was awarded 3248 patents in the last year. IBM earned more U.S. patents than any other company for the twelfth consecutive year.

    If patents are such a bad things, and IBM is the leader in obtaining patents, I wouldn't be so quick to applaud them.

  10. Re:Now *that's* cool. Thanks, IBM! by andreMA · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Sue us and leave yourself liable to being stomped by IBM.
    That's what I get out of it - a Samson Option. Inspired by SCO, I'm sure.
  11. Apple is right all along. IBM is the big brother!! by taweili · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1984 just comes 20 years late! Wait! Apple is using PowerPC?!? We are DOOMED! Seriously, IBM has disguised itself nicely in the past couple years as friends of open source: adapting Linux, push Sun to open Java, and Eclipse. IBM has changed its image from the Evil Big Brother to the Benevolent Giant. However, deep down inside, IBM is still the evil big brother in disguise. I am interested to see the reaction from Open Source Communities, a lot of which are against software patent all together. I suspect most would likely to hail this decision rather then speak against it since IBM is such a friend of open source. However, in long term, the projects using IBM's patents are going to effectively become IBM's weapon against its commercial competitors as IBM would be the only one qualified to including these projects in its commercial offering. Software patent is bad, bad, bad!!!

  12. There is one litttle trick in the question... by JollyFinn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If open source software X uses pledged patent IBM patent Y. And if company Z uses the X, and then company Z becomes something like SCO is today against OSS then IBM can sue them over patent Y since their lisence was revoked because of their lawsuit agais OSS entities. Yes. Thats the trick, they are making this partially for against future SCO:s.
    IANAL, but this looks obvious.

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  13. Are they good patents? by waffleman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's nice that IBM is doing this, but have you looked at the list of patent titles? I admit I only took a quick look but to me the list looks ... old and rather bound to IBM products. I'm guessing that IBM has found that, historically, some patents don't make them much money (maybe because nobody does same thing), so to squeeze value from them (in this case, good will) they are giving royalty free licenses to OSS. In that case, they are generating tremendous good will and giving away little or nothing to non-competitors. I hope I'm wrong, but I can't see why new and/or widely useful patents would be given away. This list doesn't reassure me, and I will wait and see the usefulness of these patents before singing the praises of IBM.

    1. Re:Are they good patents? by schmobag · · Score: 3, Interesting

      To me, it looked mostly like low-level processor and bus related stuff. Could this be a backdoor way of promoting their PowerPC line, by getting it better supported by open source software?

  14. BSD? by skyman8081 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It sounds like the patents can ONLY be used by OSS projects, and not by closed-source. Most likely, this means that it will only end up in GPL projects, as a BSD-License can lead to some very shaky grey-area with this aspect of the source licensing.

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  15. Re:Slashdot has gone insane! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    No other company has done anything like this...

    Sun has spent millions of dollars to aquire the IP necessary to open-source OpenOffice.org (and give it away to the OSS community) and, soon, Solaris (again giving it away to the OSS community). Not to mention they indemnify all their customers against crap like SCO. So, no, you do not have perspective. IBM really is jizzing all over the ladies of Slashdot to make them feel important, but, in reality, it is just a PR stunt. And look how Slashdot is eating it up! Tomorrow, Slashdotters everywhere are going to be hung over from all of IBM's jizz in their bellies! What a bunch of sick-os.

  16. IBM could block the whole MS patent scare... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What would be really cool is if IBM reworked its cross licensing agreements it has with big companies like Microsoft to say that they can only use IBM's patents if they extend their cross license to allow open source products to be used.

    MS is still a relative newcomer to patents, but IBM is an old pro. As there are surely hundreds or thousands of patents IBM owns that are used by Windows, Office, etc. and probably only dozens that IBM software would make use of, IBM has the strong hand and could do this.

    Think of how Linux's growth could be helped over the next few years if the overhang of MS lawsuits was removed, and their ability to embrace and extend using patents was curtailed? Maybe I'm dreaming, but its a good dream!

  17. Re:Master Plan by The_Dougster · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Am I the only one who thinks their master plan involves ppc based desktops & laptops running linux. So they can stick it to both Microsoft and Intel.
    I doubt they want to "stick it" to Intel, but Microsoft may be a different story. Few of you probably remember the pre Windows 3.0 days when IBM and Microsoft were collaborating on OS/2. When Microsoft had stolen enough IBM tech to make Windows 3.0 viable, they basically double-crossed IBM and stabbed them in the back. Windows 3.0 and OS/2 Warp were essentially both forks from the original collaborative project. MS slapped together a buggy package and shipped it out the door while quality-conscious IBM waited until OS/2 was ready.

    Nothing the matter with PowerPC (or Cell) processors. In fact they would probably run Linux a lot better than the X86 architecture if somebody with IBM's resources put a bit of work into improving LinuxPPC support. The PowerPC architecture is pretty "unixy" to begin with while X86 is a just a ancient architecture with about a million band-aids slapped on over the years.

    Since Itanium is sinking rapidly, PowerPC and X86-64 are probably the only real contenders for 64-bit supremacy.

    I have no idea what these upcoming Cell processors are going to be like, but IBM has been doing some unusual things since announcing them. I think they are getting ready to drop a Cell processor based Linux bomb on the unsuspecting PC world.

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  18. I have a question... (Prior Art) by Vo0k · · Score: 5, Interesting


    Imagine this scenario:
    - party A releases Free Software program implementing some technique.
    - party B patents the technique.
    - party B releases the patent for free use in Free Software.
    - party C challenges the patent claim, indicating A as author of prior art.
    - A would definitely better like B to hold the patent in current state than C to have it challenged (A's program gets protected under the patent rights that way)

    Can C succeed in challenging the patent claim?

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  19. I'd hate to start a rant but... by o'reor · · Score: 2, Interesting
    ...as much as I appreciate that decision from IBM, I remain skeptical about the real potential of the licensed patents.

    A few months ago I was working on a project that required the use of a particular data compression method (arithmetic coding), because of its great efficiency on the type of data I was supposed to process (uncompressed output from various audio codecs, including experimental ones). IBM owns no less than 19 patents on that algorithm and its derivatives. Sure, the first 3 of them are expired by now, but none of the others were in the 500 list.

    Data compression is one of the areas where pure software patents are commonplace and very annoying, which makes your choices very narrow when it comes to choosing a compression method for your projects. Check it out here.

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  20. Two plus two equals...what? by s-meister · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Apple has a load of money, a charismatic leader, and rising kudos over Itunes, iPods and computers that use IBM processors.

    IBM has sold off its PC business and thereby made itself less vulnerable to M$ attack if it moves to more openly support Open Source software. It's strong in services and is already actively supporting Open Source software and Linux. Now it's opening up patents to Open Source developers, contrary to the Gates Corp approach.

    Could it be? Could IBM and Apple be the marriage of heaven and hell? Consider the possibilites...Can Microsoft really prevail in a shoot-out against companies that are so obviously picking up and wearing the white hats?

    I had the chance to move to IBM from my current employer. I chose not to for family reasons, and when I read stories like these I don't regret it http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/10/ibm_jobs_i ndia/ but they do seem to be more strategicly constructive than the opposition. And consider this. Apple don't have a low cost offering to compete with the budget end of the PC market. Geode systems notwithstanding, the less developed nations could do with low cost internet-enabled devices that could provide communications and educational support for their increasingly educated populations. They need robust non-ground -based communications networks too. Distributed tsunami and other disaster warning systems, anyone? I would love to see something like this happening in the world today.

  21. Re:Many ways by geminidomino · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Except it's not. If you RTFSummary, much less TFA, it's being opened up to "Open Source" as defined by the OSI, not "Free Software" as defined by the FSF.

    Which leads to a bit of a sticking point in this plan, unless the announcement is clearer than the NYT article. The BSD License is OSI approved. If I were to use some patented algorithm *shudder* in a BSD Licensed program, could someone take that and wrap it up in a closed source program? Or could they just take the non-patented code? Or would it reduce the BSD license to effectively another GPL by forcing the code to stay open?

  22. Re:Now *that's* cool. Thanks, IBM! by zotz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "IBM reserves the right to terminate this patent pledge and commitment only with regard to any party who files a lawsuit asserting patents or other intellectual property rights against Open Source Software"

    I think the "or other intellectual property rights" needs more discussion. So now you can't sue someone for violating your trademarks or you lose the rights to the patents?

    Granted, it may technically be a done deal, but I think it still needs discussion.

    Is this intended? I can see patent suits triggering the issue? But all "IP" issues?

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