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Creationist Textbook Stickers Declared Unconstitutional

An anonymous reader writes "MSNBC reports that a judge in Atlanta, GA has ruled that a sticker placed on all textbooks in Cobb County stating that 'Evolution is a theory, not a fact,' is unconstitutional, and ordered that all stickers be removed."

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  1. How does this happen? by EvilCabbage · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    How the hell do such unbalanced people get into a position of power where they can approve these labels in the first place?

    Get the jerk-offs out of office. Remember it's your tax dollars that get wasted on their zealous religious efforts.

    1. Re:How does this happen? by GISGEOLOGYGEEK · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      For the same reason dumbasses like Dubya get elected president. ... they stick together, support and spread their own flavour of stupidity, then they get to force it on everyone else despite any supposed freedoms guaranteed by law.

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      George Bush + Linux = "I will not let information get in the way of the fight against Windows"
  2. Re:Thank God! by tuxter · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Unproven theory??? Are you saying creationism is a proven theory? Black holes, the big bang, string theory etc, they are all unproven. It is pretty bloody obvious to anyone with a scientific mind that evolution is the way it is, it really does not need proving does it? Creationism is for narrow minded, short sighted people who need a (unproven) crutch.

  3. Re:Thank God! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait


    I want to know who on gods green earth OBSERVED monkeys turning into humans.

    it's stupifying that something with loads of evidence and experimental research such as evolution is questioned but you can believe there's an invisible man controlling every subatomic particle in the universe.

    Religious people should be sterilized.

  4. Creationism Bashing by lieut_data · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    I'm sorry. I've never posted to slashdot before, simply because it wasn't worth it or I didn't have time. But come on! What are all these posts about "evolution has been tested in the labs", "evolution is science", "scientific data tends toward evolution as being true", "creationism is a myth. Name me one. One single evidence "for evolution". Can they reproduce evolution in the labs? No. Could the earth have been around millions, billions of years? No. (Think of the size of the sun millions of years ago! Think of the orbit of our moon, steadily moving away from us! Think of the speed of the spinning earth!). Where are our thousands of missing links? Don't show me one malformed set of bones... if evolution really happened, they should be everywhere! Where are they?! Can Creationism be proved in the labs? No. Is there evidence for Creation? Yes, if you interpret it that way. Sadly, scientists view the Grand Canyon and erroneously claim that millions of years of irrigation led to its creation. Why couldn't it have been a world-wide flood? Why is it that every race on earth has historical data or stories of a one-world flood? Could the Bible be true? Gasp! No, then we'd have to believe all of it. So lets make up something else, something that lets us throw out Creationism and the Bible. Fact is, evolutions is a theory. It requires faith, just like Creationism. Science can be proven in the labs. Creationism is not science. Creationisn is a theory. There is evidence that supports Creationism. Some claim it, too, is distorted. But simply ask yourself: "were you there?". No. If you can't observe it, there is no way you can prove it. End-of-story. To claim that Evolution is not a theory, and to teach it as fact is simply plain wrong. When scientists stoop to falsifying data on a regular basis, something serious must be very wrong. (See link if you're really interested in reading about this....) http://www.evolution-facts.org/

  5. Re:No, I did not RTFA... as this isn't news to me. by Matt1313 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Yes, what?
    You obviously are one of those angry hate anyone who believes in anything type of atheists... I can feel it emenating off your posts, like the fetid smell from a turgid piece of dog crap on a hot summer day.

    Wait, you are contradicting yourself...
    That goes for the Koran and the Torah as well, they aren't really bibles either.

    Yet, you effusively postulate...

    Of course you probably didnt know that 'bible' is simply ancient greek for 'book'. In fact i just read a great bible by Stephen King the other day.

    You don't consider the Koran and Torah books, yet Steven King's writing constitutes a book. You are a strange sick little man, all wrapped up in yourself.

    Anyways, you have taken us totally OT now...

  6. Re:A few simple questions.. by SilverspurG · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    What about "One nation under god" in the Pledge?

    Anyone who takes issue with the Pledge of Allegiance should be shot... or escorted to the Antarctic. Period. No trial, no lawyer, no argument. I've said the pledge for decades and I'll be gosh-darned if it isn't the perfect mantra.

    Of course, The Pledge invokes "The Republic", which is lost. :(

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  7. Re: What? by covertlaw · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    I think you'll find that more people in this world, including myself, have had a divine experience with the Creator than have ever had with witnessing real evolution.

    Bashing religious people, especially Christians, is easy. What's difficult is treating people with respect who will never understand why you believe the way you do because they are afraid of your beliefs.

    God is with all of us, even if you choose not to listen to his words. One day, you will know him, and you will know what it feels like to be truly loved.

  8. Re:Thank God! by joshmccormack · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    It is not clear to me what the sticker has to do with separation of church and state. The sticker made no reference to any religious beliefs...

    The sticker seems to run contrary to the religion imposed in the schools by the courts. This is certainly not freedom of religion. Some might think it's freedom from religion, but that's not the case either. The courts are deciding how children should be indoctrinated.

  9. it's a states rights issue by Dr+Kool,+PhD · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    If the elected state legislature determines that the stickers should go in the books then no court should be able to otherwise. Nobody could ever interpret the constitution to ban stickers such as these except for liberal activist judges.

  10. Re:Creationist? by kherrick · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Here is a dictionary defition of "theory", http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=theory Look at definitions 1-6 and you may possibly apply those to gravity, atoms and germs... but 7 is best used for evolution. Evolution is a laughing stock and the only reason people defend it so much is their tradition. They were raised that way.

  11. Re:Equal time for plano-terrestrialism by fredrikj · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    while the Bible is great for moral guidance

    Unfortunately, it isn't even that. First, the moral values expressed in the Bible are outdated at best. Second, its inconsistencies and vagueness provide room for the most bizarre interpretations. One could easily express in one page or less all the moral guidelines you'd need -- explicitly and without internal inconsistencies or contradictions with science.

  12. Let Me Put It To You Morons In Another Way! by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 0, Flamebait


    (In the immortal words of Don Rickles...)

    You Christians, Muslims, Jews, and assorted other religious assholes are all going to die.

    We Transhumans aren't.

    In fact, in all probability, we're going to have to kill you all - not just let you drop dead - courtesy of your inane opposition to our "ascension." The only way you're going to avoid this is if we ascend so far and so fast that we don't NEED to waste all you assholes.

    Don't count on that happening.

    And your moronic attempts to set back the development of technology are going to have absolutely no effect on this fact.

    Have a nice day.

    --
    Richard Steven Hack - This sig is TOO GODDAMN SHORT TO DO ANYTHING USEFUL WITH! MORONS!
  13. Re:The Lemov Test by oyenstikker · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Its not the red states. Its not the blue states. Its the voters. No real policitcal (or moral) conservative should vote for Bush. I can't understand for the life of my why many of my Christian friends (I am also Christian) think Bush is "God's tool" instead of a lying, dim-witted politician with frail graps on economics, foreign policy, and reality as a whole. Nor can I understand why any liberal would vote for a man with no clear plan to change what the liberals (I used to be a liberal. Then I had to get a job. I sympathize with many of their beliefs, but don't think its the government's job to carry these things out at my expense.) think is wrong, but who's most solid point is that he's Not Bush.

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    The masses are the crack whores of religion.
  14. Re:Creationist? by kherrick · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    It is nearly beyond my comprehension that someone who trusts in evolution, can then say that the "entire" field of biology is in agreement with this "theory." Especially macroevolution. To say that we, as human beings, were not created as such... that we evolved from some lower life form is ridiculous.

    BTW, I admit my spelling error with "laughing stock" as it is one word.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=laugh ingstock

  15. Re:Thank God! by DrackenFireBreather · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Just a few points about the prior posts:

    1) To consider that the Seperation of Church and State is a Constitutional fact is a huge mistake. Nowhere in the Constitution or any of it's 27 Ammendments does the proclimation of this Urban Myth hold true.

    Constitution: http://www.archives.gov/national_archives_experien ce/charters/constitution.html

    Bill of Rights: http://www.archives.gov/national_archives_experien ce/charters/bill_of_rights.html

    Ammendments 11-27: http://www.archives.gov/national_archives_experien ce/charters/constitution_amendments_11-27.html

    It turns out the idea of Seperation of Church and State was from a simple corrispondence letter by Thomas Jefferson and the concerns that endorsing a particular sect of the Christian Church could cause problems, as most of the colonies were created for religious reasons and persecution from the then indocrination of the Catholic and Angilican (Church of England) churches.

    Learn more here: http://www.noapathy.org/tracts/mythofseparation.ht ml

    2) There's also some things to note about the different opinions of Evolution. Most will argue the micro/macro evolution chain (if a small change can happen in a short time then a large change can happen in a long time) is a logical fallacy. It has been observed that a species can make small genetic changes within the genome, but there is no conclusive evidence to support large inter-species changes (paradoxies like the chicken and the egg) make this quite a chore for even the best of debaters (master debators?!), the geological record shows large jumps between species, but no interum species. Most genetic changes that have been observed are usually fatal to the species in question or have a detrimental impact instead of a positive impact.

    3) Any religious ideology requires a faith element to it (takes just as much faith to believe there is no God as to believe that there is a God), and by definition faith cannot be scientifically analyzed, however science can assist in the proof (or disproof) of historical references for that said faith.

    http://dict.die.net/faith/

    Keeping an open mind can be good, but too often it can be cluttered with inaccuricies and FUD, it's best to be skeptical with what you read/hear until you can cross-reference them with reliable sources.

  16. Honestly harsh VS Politely lying by Scrameustache · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Just because you don't believe in something doesn't make it right for you to go slaming other peoples beliefs. I'm no church-goer, but I respect peoples rights to believe in what they want...as long as they'll respect mine, and not call me (or others) an idiot.

    I believe in letting it be known when I feel someone is an idiot.
    I believe it's wrong to pretend to respect someone when you don't. I believe that euphemisms and contrived politeness are poisons of the mind.

    Stop slamming my belief.

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    You can't take the sky from me...