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Carnivore No More

wikinerd writes "FBI has retired the controversial Carnivore software, strongly criticized by privacy advocates for its email capturing abilities. However, it is believed that unspecified commercial surveillance tools are employed now. What does that mean for Internet users' privacy?"

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  1. In other news by detrino · · Score: 5, Funny

    FBI has begun to install its less intimidating sounding "herbivore" software accross the globe. Vegetarians rejoice.

    1. Re:In other news by JPriest · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Exactly, I work for an ISP, we are still installing these things for the FBI. I don't know much about the new version of Carnivore but I can tell you they have some bugs to be worked out still. (eg. they are not entirely passive, and the IP space needs to be added into them.) This makes network changes a PITA because I don't have access to configure new IP blocks into the new Carnivore platform. If they are going to make us install these things they should at least make them work seamlessly :P

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  2. Yea... by Heem · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If they retired carnivore, it's likely only because now they have something "better".. or "worse" depending on how you look at it.

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  3. Security update by SilverspurG · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Instead, the bureau turned to unnamed commercially-available products to conduct Internet surveillance thirteen times in criminal investigations in that period.

    How much does it cost? I'm really sick of paying for this crap.

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  4. No change by kahei · · Score: 4, Funny


    It means no change for Internet user's privacy, but confirms that the FBI weren't up to managing a large project, even in their core area.

    Which leads me to the inescapable conclusion:

    Privatize the FBI! I'm sure Halliburton would love that contract, but McDonald's would surely also be in the bidding. After all, who would suspect a few Ronald McDonalds wandering around the neighbourhood of being agents? Nobody, that's who! And by the time you notice their guns and badges -- TOO LATE, criminal!

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  5. Oh, the humanity! by Lisandro · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Check this little image from the article. "Carnivore's official logo shows bload-soaked incisors closing over a stream of data". EVIL!

    It's a packet sniffer that reconstructs data (mail and web sites, as it seems from the article), not a boogieman! I agree, it can be a dangerous tool for privacy in the wrong hands, but still, it's not like you can just put it in your PC and start reading your neighour's mail.

  6. Re:What about encryption? by ThisNukes4u · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not if they don't know what key was used... A better way would be to encrypt the actual e-mail itself instead of relying on the way it is transmitted to keep your content secure. You can never trust the messenger.

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  7. Re:Instead.... by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Funny
    FTA:
    However, it is believed that unspecified commercial surveillance tools are employed now.
    Actually, they just bought Gator :-)
  8. why call it carnivore? by budcub · · Score: 4, Funny

    You'd think they'd name it something like "Perfectly harmless investigating program that would never ever violate your privacy"

    Calling it Carnivore was asking for an uproar.

  9. Conspiracy theory! by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Interesting


    Hmmmm. MS gets into the anti-spyware business, and the FBI suddenly decides it doesn't need its custom spyware anymore...

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  10. Carnivore has offshoots by itpr15061 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Carnivore relied heavily on a product called SilentRunner. SilentRunner was purchased by Computer Associates and given a new name, Network Forensics.

    http://www3.ca.com/Solutions/Product.asp?ID=4856

    It has the ability to decode email on the fly. I have the product and while it does have some "wow" factor, the usability and stability is atrocious. Another fine cobbled together product from CA.

    1. Re:Carnivore has offshoots by ScrewMaster · · Score: 5, Funny

      It can decode ASCII plaintext in real-time? Wow, now that is impressive.

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  11. Re:try china by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny
    > i hear the goverment over there have lots of experience in "monitoring" its "public" networks
    >
    > perhaps they may have some ideas for your FBI

    Where the fuck do you think we're running the live beta and the scalability tests? Soviet Russia? :)

    I'm only half in jest. Soviet Russia was the alpha test for both the surveillance system and the sociopolitical system. It failed - two coups, and economic collapse.

    China was the beta. It succeeded. One attempted coup - crushed instantly, because the Chinese learned how to deal with dissidents. Political stability is rock-solid, and economic growth is stellar.

    The full system goes live, planet-wide, within 10 years. You're free to choose whether or not to buy in now, but it's a limited time offer.

    I bought in because steak tastes better than dog food, a plasma-screen TV made by slave labor beats making plasma-screen TVs for $0.01/h, and because winning is just plain more fun than losing.

    I kinda like your slogan. "Try China". I did. And I liked it.