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Overclocking Calculators?

Klar writes "If you're looking for something new to prove your tech prowess, Richard Piotter has a great how to on overclocking Texas Instruments graphing calculators. You can actually double the cpu speed, which is noticeable when graphing complex functions."

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  1. Not only is it faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    But I get better results! Before, 1+1 was always 2, but now it's 2.0358!

    1. Re:Not only is it faster by Aero+Leviathan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Wow, just like a Pentium II!

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    2. Re:Not only is it faster by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 3, Funny

      As always, Hewlett Packard got there first and better. (Yes, HP was once a great company, before the current management took over.) The very first hand-held scientific calculator, the HP35 in 1972, calculated exp(ln(2.02))=2. reference.

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    3. Re:Not only is it faster by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Ya think? Don't blame management.

      You surely jest. The investors being increasing a pile of sheeple morons, intermixed with a few PHBs are demanding not profits (although in their deluded perception that is probably what they are thinking) but a buzzword-spewing, mindless technophobes with acting abilites to play a "part" of a "visionary" CEO, because that makes them feel that they "understand" tech companies. Look up the ./ article on buzzword bullshit just on the front page today, this is the same thing in different form. Hence Carly Fiorina, a total dumb-fuck whose claim to fame is revolving in the "right" circles of self-congratulatory aristocratic-born dimiwts. HP as a tech company is toast, but HP as yet-another mediocracy mass-consumerism crapola maker tied to fads and whims of "pop culture" and locked in endless "race to the bottom" against Chinese crap makers is just beginning.

  2. Next: by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 4, Funny

    Beowulf clusters of overclocked T.I. calculators!!!

  3. From the by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Too Much Time On Their Hands Department.

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    1. Re:From the by RonnyJ · · Score: 5, Funny
      Too Much Time On Their Hands Department.

      Just wait til someone finally manages to overclock their watch :)

  4. pfft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Pfft, tell me when you've over clocked a pencil and paper.

    1. Re:pfft by SamSim · · Score: 3, Funny

      What do you call a printer?

    2. Re:pfft by fcw · · Score: 4, Funny

      I dunno, but I know how to call one: "Heeere, printy, printy, printy."

  5. Dammit! by Faust7 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I tried to overclock my slide rule, but it just went up in smoke.

    1. Re:Dammit! by FiReaNGeL · · Score: 4, Funny

      According to the paper :

      [Problem] 30 x 40 = ?
      [Solution]
      (1) Bring 30 on the bezel ruler and 10 on the dial ruler in line.
      (2) Read the number on the bezel ruler scale corresponding to 40 on the dial ruler
      scale. The number is 12 (= 1.2 x 101 ).
      (3) Calculate the number of digits following the formula in " Hint for calculation of the
      number of digits".
      In this case:
      30 = 3 x 101, 40 = 4 x 101, and 12 = 1.2 x 101
      Z = 1+1+1(1.2 3, 4)
      Z = 3
      c = 1.2
      C = 1.2 x 103 = 1200
      [Answer] 1200

      Sure speeds things up I guess :)

  6. Not new at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is soooo old. I overclocked my TI calc several years ago, putting a snazzy OC switch on the side. All of my friends were terribly impressed.

    On the other hand, it didn't really help in my classes, except to get the wrong answer faster...

  7. It's not just TI calcs that can be OC'd. by Slash+Watch · · Score: 5, Informative

    Utilities have been coded to overclock HP48/HP49 calculators to a wide range of clock speeds - you can pick and choose what you like, up to 200MHz. This is pretty impressive too - that's more than a doubling of clock speed, IIRC.

    1. Re:It's not just TI calcs that can be OC'd. by rritterson · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, IIRC, the new calculators are using ARM processors running in some sort of emulation layer that tuned the CPU all the way down to 12MHZ so it would match the old calculators. The tool simply removes that restriction, if I understand right.

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    2. Re:It's not just TI calcs that can be OC'd. by Nyall · · Score: 4, Informative

      To save power the clock speed of the arm is lowered when it is idle, when calculations are running the 49g+ will raise the cpu speed to 75Mhz.

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  8. another hack a day ripp off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    tsk tsk tsk how lame from the editors

  9. Seen this before by Stevyn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've seen this for the TI-83 a while ago. I have the TI-89 now and it's great for the classes I take. I've overclocked cpus (AMD K6-2), but you've got to have some balls or some money to try and overclock a $150 calculator.

    It just seems to me that the risk outweighs the benefits.

  10. In the words of... by MightyPez · · Score: 4, Funny

    the Futurama cryogenic lab tech.... "Welcooome....To the WOOOOORLD of 5 YEARS AGO!"

  11. battery drain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This has been known for years. Keep in mind that overclocking by 2x drains the batteries by 2x as well.

    1. Re:battery drain by ivan37 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Indeed - years ago I overclocked my TI-86. After about 6 months I got really sick of buying new batteries and having the calc die when I needed it, so bought an 89 and sold the overclocked 86 to a friend for a pretty good price (although I think he regretted it later).

      If you are going to overclock your calculator, make sure you've got some rechargable batteries and always have extras on hand.

    2. Re:battery drain by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 3, Informative

      Keep in mind that overclocking by 2x drains the batteries by 2x as well.

      It's not linear and there are a lot of factors. The switching current goes up by a factor of four for every frequency doubling. There's leakage current that stays constant regardless of clock, I think. And that's not saying anything about the rest of the circuits that might not be on the same clock, the CPU might not be a huge power drain in some circuits.

  12. What about a wrist watch? by Mario21 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I overclocked my casio wrist watch. Now I have all the time I need.

    1. Re:What about a wrist watch? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3, Funny

      I overclocked my ethernet card.

      problem is: where can you find hubs that support 12/120?

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  13. This isn't new... by Cubeman · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't know what's wrong with the slashdot submission process, but this isn't a new site.

    That site has been around for nine years, and in fact it doesn't list any of the popular TI graphing calculators today. The TI-83 Plus, 84 Plus, 92 Plus, and Voyage 200 are all missing. (Incidentally, this French guide will show you how to overclock your 83 Plus).

    Sure it's a great site for overclocking older calculators, but please don't say "something new" when this has been widely known for years.

  14. Re:The Point? by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Graphing complex functions is slow. Calculating integrals is slow. 3D graphs are abysmally slow. Speeding these functions up could be quite useful. Of course, you could just use Virtual TI on your PC if you wanted it to be really fast, or there's always Mathematica. I'm sure overclocking your calculator cuts the battery life in half or worse, which is why they are clocked so low by TI to begin with. Now if he could figure out a way for it to automatically overclock itself only while doing calculations (not waiting for input), then he might be onto something...

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  15. RC oscillator by morcheeba · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wow, the TI-89 uses an RC oscillator for its clock! That kind of clock is one of the cheapest and least accurate, so I wouldn't want to run a real-time-clock off of it. I wonder if they have some sort of calibration mechanism on the production line, or if the processors are so underclocked already that they will surely work with a large variation of clock speeds. Even after leaving the production line, RC clocks drift and are more sensitive to temperature, so TI must always leave plenty of speed margin.

    1. Re:RC oscillator by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's precisely the case. The 89s use Motorola 68000s as their CPUs. You know, the same thing that the orignal Mac used. There has been just a few years of refinement that has gone in to it. Basically, they don't really care about precise clock speeds. It just needs to be in the ballpark of 10MHz, and only that since they decided it was an acceptable tradeoff of speed and power consumption.

      I imagine that the chip is easily capable at running well over double it's nominal frequency, and infact probably other things would become a problem before it would. You have to remember, these are realyl simple devices. They don't need the precise timings that desktop computers have. For one thing they simply don't have a bunch of buses running at different, but related, speeds.

      It's not a precision timing device or anything like that, it's a calculator. It's just made to give you easy, portable access to lots of common math functions. It doesn't need to have a precise clock. If my 89 executes a calculation in 5 minutes and yours in 4.9 minutes, we aren't really going to give a damn.

  16. Actually quite useful. by SharpFang · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Laugh all you want, these calculators are capable of stuff that's really time consuming.
    Put

    Y1=(somefunction)
    Y2=FnInt(Y1(X),X,0,X)

    Y2 displays integral of Y1. This isn't docummented anywhere and not without a reason. Getting the plot of even a simple function like Y1=sin(X) takes some 5 minutes as the integral is calculated separately for each pixel. Put more sophisticated function for Y1, or put Y3=FnInt(Y2... to get second integral and wait 2 hours or so for results easily.

    In this case overclocking serves saving the batteries. True at double speed the batteries are used up nearly twice as much, but running for a hour at a single speed will drain them more than running for half a hour at double speed.

    And yeah, these "insane" times are quite reasonable. I've been writing some cool stuff for my TI82. Generating a fractal took maybe a hour or so. "brute forcing" some logical problem lasted only 15 minutes just thanks to some luck (the solution was within first 5% tested). I found the graphs of integrals useful - I entered the function on the start of a test and could test whether my calculations were correct when it was drawn about the middle (and I had to use the calculator for other calculations). It was actually pretty fast at "your generic" numerical methods, and as we were free to choose the platform/language for writing our "numerical methods" programs, I didn't have to show up in the lab even once whole semester, wrote everything on the calculator.
    One thing that sucks is lack of recursion support, Even the Prog[NAME]/Return function works only 1 level deep. But even this can be solved by using lists instead of local variables, matrices instead of lists.

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    1. Re:Actually quite useful. by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 4, Informative

      This isn't docummented anywhere and not without a reason.

      No, it isn't documented anywhere, except the calculator manual, pretty much every calculus textbook oriented towards the TI-8x, and even the MATH menu on the calculator....

      Y3=FnInt(Y2...

      You sound like you've never tried this (at least not on a recent calculator). On the 83 series, it gives ERR:ILLEGAL NEST, mainly because it'd take so long.

      I've been writing some cool stuff for my TI82.

      Ah. No wonder. The 83 runs slightly faster, the 83+ runs faster, the 83+ Silver runs considerably faster, and the 84+es run considerably faster than those. If you're writing fractals and brute force stuff, you'd do well to invest in the latest 84+ -- or even an 89-series. Do yourself a favor and sell the 82 on Ebay or give it to a teacher.

      You say yours takes 5 minutes for fnInt(sin(X)). Mine, an 83+ Silver, takes about 20 seconds. Annoying, yes, but hindering, no. And it's safer than overclocking.

      Incidentally, if you're running into the limits of TI-BASIC programming, you might be interested in learning assembler for the calculator. Just Google for "TI-82 ASM tutorial" or somesuch; there's plenty of tutorials of varying quality.

  17. TI long in tooth? by cgenman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What happened to graphing calculator development? While I was in High School there was this burst of activity with the TI line, with frequent new models and upgrades. And then they stalled. And stymed. I got a TI-92 Plus my senior year in High School, and that has stayed TI's top-of-the-line ever since. It's like they've done zero development for the past ten years. You can get full color-screen Game Boy Advances with hardware far in advance of what you would find in a TI for about 100 dollars less, yet you have to use hardware trickery to fake greyscale on these dinosaurs. Their Ancient. Years after I've graduated college, they're still the best you can get. Now they're called the Voyage 200, but they're still the same 68000 - based calc with very similar limitations.

    Where is somebody to steal TI's crown? Somebody has to recognize the power of full-color 3D graphics in mathematics. Doesn't anyone want the market TI has abandoned?

  18. Re:Graphing complex functions? by oobob · · Score: 3, Funny

    You graph complex numbers in the complex plane, silly =) One axis is the real axis and the other is the imaginary axis. Here's a brief intro from the math forum (a written intro, without graphics), and here's some more examples from a graphic intensive site that shows how you can perform operations on complex numbers like vectors. You can also do neat stuff like find the complex roots of numbers by manuiplating the graph, which is also mentioned in the 2nd site.

  19. Already done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Already done - your job's been outsourced to India, where they do your paper-and-pencil work faster for a quarter of the price.

    Oh, we're cutting costs, so make sure to return your pink slip with your badge so we can use them both again.

  20. Yet ANOTHER hackaday plagarism by FredThompson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is the SECOND repeat of a hackaday post in less than 24 hours.

    That makes 3 or 4 in as many days.

    How about something original, not plagiarized from another site WHICH WAS PROMOTED ON SLASHDOT A LITTLE WHILE AGO!!!!

  21. Re:hot off the press.. by Oliver+Defacszio · · Score: 4, Funny

    I overclocked Earth the day before the dinosaurs died.

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  22. Re:Slashdot... by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Funny

    "ammm.... is this really a news item or just some sad person with way to much time." ... said the guy posting on Slashdot.

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  23. Re:Doom 3? by tepples · · Score: 3, Funny

    You can run Doom 3 on any graphing calculator: just load up a black screen.

  24. But can it run linux? by Joshua53077 · · Score: 4, Funny

    or play .ogg files?

  25. No kidding. by raygundan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This was going on when I was in high school, 10 years ago. (not that I'm incredibly old, but being ten years behind the curve is spectacular even for slashdot) You could overclock a TI-85 pretty easily, although it wasn't really necessary. The real joy was in installing a hacked ROM through an overflow on the link cable and running games written in Z80 assembly. It was the ultimate time-waster: a gameboy that your teachers allowed in class. TI even caught on later that their overflow bug had become a feature, and built in access to run assembly code on the TI-86.

    There were some truly great games written, too. A few (Sqrxz comes to mind) even eventually made the leap to the gameboy.