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Escape from the Universe

rleyton writes "Prospect Magazine is carrying an excellent article "Escape from the Universe": The universe is destined to end. Before it does, could an advanced civilisation escape via a "wormhole" into a parallel universe? The idea seems like science fiction, but it is consistent with the laws of physics and biology. Here's how to do it."

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  1. Stephen Baxter by angrist · · Score: 3, Informative

    Haven't even loaded TFA yet, but the idea sounds VERY similar to the premise of Stephen Baxter's book "Ring"......

    an excellent read if you get the chance.

  2. End of Universe? by WaZiX · · Score: 1, Informative

    Now tht could solve the Social Security problem.

  3. Re:Oops, we did it again by FalconZero · · Score: 4, Informative

    Article Text from :
    http://prospectmagazine.co.uk/article_details.php? id=6701

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    The universe is out of control, in a runaway acceleration. Eventually all intelligent life will face the final doom--the big freeze. An advanced civilisation must embark on the ultimate journey: fleeing to a parallel universe.


    In Norse mythology, Ragnarok--the fate of the gods--begins when the earth is caught in the vice-like grip of a bone-chilling freeze. The heavens themselves freeze over, as the gods perish in great battles with evil serpents and murderous wolves. Eternal darkness settles over the bleak, frozen land as the sun and moon are both devoured. Odin, the father of all gods, finally falls to his death, and time itself comes to a halt.


    Does this ancient tale foretell our future? Ever since the work of Edwin Hubble in the 1920s, scientists have known that the universe is expanding, but most have believed that the expansion was slowing as the universe aged. In 1998, astronomers at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and the Australian National University calculated the expansion rate by studying dozens of powerful supernova explosions within distant galaxies, which can light up the entire universe. They could not believe their own data. Some unknown force was pushing the galaxies apart, causing the expansion of the universe to accelerate. Brian Schmidt, one of the group leaders, said, "I was still shaking my head, but we had checked everything... I was very reluctant to tell people, because I truly thought that we were going to get massacred."


    Physicists went scrambling back to their blackboards and realised that some "dark energy" of unknown origin, akin to Einstein's "cosmological constant," was acting as an anti-gravity force. Apparently, empty space itself contains enough repulsive dark energy to blow the universe apart. The more the universe expands, the more dark energy there is to make it expand even faster, leading to an exponential runaway mode.


    In 2003, this astonishing result was confirmed by the WMAP (Wilkinson microwave anisotropy probe) satellite. Orbiting at a million miles from earth, this satellite contains two telescopes capable of detecting the faint microwave radiation which bathes the universe. It is so sensitive that it is able to photograph in exquisite detail the afterglow of the microwave radiation left over from the big bang, which is still circulating the universe. The WMAP satellite, in effect, gave us "baby pictures" of the universe when it was a mere 380,000 years old.


    The WMAP satellite settled the long-standing question of the age of the universe: it is officially 13.7bn years old (to within 1 per cent accuracy). But more remarkably, the data showed that dark energy is not a fluke, but makes up 73 per cent of the matter and energy of the entire universe. To deepen the mystery, the data showed that 23 per cent of the universe consists of "dark matter," a bizarre form of matter which is invisible but still has weight. Hydrogen and helium make up 4 per cent, while the higher elements, you and I included, make up just 0.03 per cent. Dark energy and most of dark matter do not consist of atoms, which means that, contrary to what the ancient Greeks believed and what is taught in every chemistry course, most of the universe is not made of atoms at all.


    As the universe expands, its energy content is diluted and temperatures eventually plunge to near absolute zero, where even atoms stop moving. One of the iron laws of physics is the second law of thermodynamics, which states that in the end everything runs down, that the total "entropy" (disorder or chaos) in the universe always increases. This means that iron rusts, our bodies age and crumble, empires fall, stars exhaust their nuclear fuel, and the universe itself will run down, as temperatures drop uniformly to near zero.


    Charles Darwin was referring to this law when he wrote: "Beli

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  4. Earlier Story by dwbassett42 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Author, Michio Kaku, also had essentially the exact same article in the December issue of Discover. The article is right here. Very interesting read, but the engineer in me makes me laugh at the sheer impracticality if the possible methods.

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  5. Don't mean to crash the party but... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Informative
    Didn't Stephen Hawking say recently that there is no possibility of using black holes to travel to other universes?

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    Hawking presented his solution to the 17th International Conference on General Relativity and Gravitation in Dublin. ...
    Hawking also dismisses his previous suggestion that the information might have leaked into a different "Baby" universe. "The information remains firmly in our universe," he told the conference. "I am sorry to disappoint science fiction fans, but if information is preserved, there is no possibility of using black holes to travel to other universes. If you jump into a black hole, your mass energy will be returned to our universe, but in a mangled form which contains the information about what you were like, but in an unrecognisable state.
    (Emphasis mine)
    1. Re:Don't mean to crash the party but... by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Informative

      You know that a black hole and a worm hole are two different suggestions of which is a possible shape of space according to general relativity right? If you really want to say that worm holes are just silly, all you need to do is look at a single component of a worm hole that is necessary for it to function: exotic matter. There is no reason to believe that exotic matter exists. There has been no observed phenomona which suggests that exotic matter could exist. There's a lot of reason to believe that negative energy is just a silly concept. Finally, any hope that we have to make worm holes will not be until we have mastered stellar engineering. I can't even hazard a guess as to when that will be, can you?

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    2. Re:Don't mean to crash the party but... by Calroth · · Score: 2, Informative

      Didn't Stephen Hawking say recently that there is no possibility of using black holes to travel to other universes?

      It's true (well, for a given value of "true"), but black holes aren't the same things as wormholes. Wormholes are a quantum concept (in the sense that they're really really small) where you get to travel between different bits of spacetime by taking shortcuts. Did I say they're really really small? We're talking mind-boggling sub-sub-sub-atomic here.

      Black holes are just huge chunks of mass (think ultra-massive stars) which have collapsed under their own gravity.

      I am not a physicist so it's all been dumbed down, and is possibly completely wrong, any real physicists are invited to make corrections.

    3. Re:Don't mean to crash the party but... by TexVex · · Score: 4, Informative

      String theory indicates that black holes are not singularities, and their event horizons are fuzzy. They are not holes, but balls of strings compressed to the maximum possible density the universe will allow. In other words, every quantum state inside a black hole is filled. Black holes aren't composed of anything resembling matter or energy we recognize. However, information about what the matter was before becoming part of the black hole remains encoded in the (extradimensional) vibrations of the strings. Slowly, over time, the black hole gives up its strings (and the information they contained) from the fuzzy event horizon, until it evaporates.

      So, one way to look at it is, if you jump into a black hole you'll be transformed into the tiny vibrating strings that make up subatomic particles according to String Theory, then those strings will be flung off in randomly over time in the form of Hawking radiation.

      That would be a cool thing to do with your corpse, much like having your body cremated and your ashes scattered.

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  6. Definine "our universe" by Infonaut · · Score: 3, Informative
    Anything that is reacheable from our universe is, by definition, part of the universe.

    As you can see, it's not easy to come to agreement about what the term "our universe" actually means. A term this broad invites all manner of semantic arguments

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  7. Re:How to do it: by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 2, Informative
    The least you could do is tell people what story you're referring to.


    Vacuum Diagrams is a collection of short stories about a race called the Xeelee, and how humanity discovers them, moves to the stars and is nearly destroyed. The stories have an epic scope - several million years - but are quite entertaining. One of the most enjoyable reads I've ever had.


    I'd describe what a 'great attractor' or 'neutrino birds' are, but that would give a way a lot of the story.

  8. Re:These people.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    what the hell are you talking about? a belief in jesus or HIS teachings != creationist theory.. that's Adam and Eve..

  9. escapism by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Informative

    Though the wormhole route is explored most engagingly in Greg Egan's Diaspora, I prefer the Total Perspective Vortex in H2G2.

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  10. Re:Something to think about... by Armatich_Defiant · · Score: 3, Informative

    An interesting observation..

    Keep in mind that there are there are different "sizes" of infinity ("proof" below). If you accept this, you can accept that having an infinite number of universes and an infinite number of universe bridging wormholes, does not imply an infinite number of wormholes in each universe.

    Notes

    1) Using a digitalization argument you can show that the number of whole numbers is "countably infinite" while the number of real numbers (fractional numbers) is "uncountably infinite". And thus the infinite set of real numbers is larger than the infinite set of whole numbers.

    2) Note 1/2 of infinity (e.g. even numbers) is still equal in size to infinity (e.g. all whole numbers). We're talking cardinality here.

    3) See http://planetmath.org/encyclopedia/CantorsDiagonal Argument.html

  11. Re:These people.... by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Informative

    When you say "no end," do you mean that in terms of distance, or in terms of its ultimate disposition?

    Just a refresher on how we came up with the "big bang" notion: the things in the universe are spreading apart from one another in a very, very observable way. In fact, they're doing it faster and faster as time goes by. There is a lot of empty space, but it's sprinkled with lots of nice glowing objects that we can see and measure. You don't have to do much math to "rewind" the observed movement of those objects to see when everything that we can see would have been unimaginably close together and dense, and hence the age of the universe in which all of those things sit. As things get any closer or denser than that, there's really no point talking about time or distance, as you've reached an infinitely irreducable point, and the math shows that to have been roughly 13 billion years ago.

    Doesn't matter what happened, if anything, before then. "Before" isn't even a workable concept under those circumstances... all dimensions, including time, are compressed beyond recognition or measurement. The point is, it's just a bigger one of those word problems from school math... "A train from New York is in Baltimore going 50 miles per hour at 2:00, and has been accelerating steadily since it started in New York at X miles per hour per minute... what time did it leave New York?" If elementary students can mentally picture the problem and solve it, then given the (much more complex) observations of the actual universe around us, the math describing when our Universal Train left The Big Bang is pretty hard to miss.

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  13. Re:How to do it: by roseblood · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, he's referring to RING, also by Stephen Baxter, and part of the Xeelee sequence. Vacumm Diagrams is just a collection of short stories rounded up into one volume. Still an entertaining read :)

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  14. Re:These people.... by FalconZero · · Score: 2, Informative

    I get asked this over and over.
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  15. Re:These people.... by Torgo's+Pizza · · Score: 2, Informative

    If Jesus existed in 0AD then he's definitely in a wormhole of some sort, considering that isn't a valid year. The calendar goes from 1BC straight to 1AD. There is no Year Zero.